Star Wars Top 100 List

[Bearon]

Fisto and Koon are below RotJ Luke for the following reasons.

Luke is their equal in endurance and durability, is physically stronger and may be slightly faster ( debatable in regards to Fisto ). He's also more skilled then them as he's outdueled Vader. While he doesn't have many force feats and this would be an advantage for the Jedi masters I believe he could resist most of their force attacks and win in a duel against them.

Fisto was able to beat a pre prime Grievous because of a form advantage. I don't remember Plo Koon doing the same.

Obi Wan also retains a form advantage over Grievous and is less deadly then the general overall.

Maul and Obi Wan are equals against eachother but Maul is more deadly overall.

Talzin will definitely be above Kenobi.

I think out duels gives too much credit to Luke given the way the fight ended. I mean, shit, Vader was basically controlling the fight until he threatened to corrupt Leia.

What do you mean by pre-prime? The Plo Koon point is probably correct.

I don't really think so given that he defeated Grievous. Not only that, but has Grievous ever actually defeated Obi-Wan.

How do you mean?

Good.

Luke beat Vader decisively with a rage amp but in the novelization Luke had already gotten the better of Vader before he was enraged causing Vader to take the fight more seriously. While this may not put Luke directly on Vader's level he was at least approaching that level of skill meaning he's on or above the level of Fisto and Koon.

Grievous by LoE had improved vastly in skill to the point he was able to stalemate Mace Windu aboard a maglev.

In the TCW series there is an animation for Grievous defeating Obi Wan with only 2 blades. This is from one of the lost episodes however which never aired. Regardless Obi Wan is Maul and Grievous's equal without a form advantage but overall they are more deadly then him morales off for various reasons.

Maul is a superior force user, a superior unarmed combatant and is more physically powerful. Generally he is better suited to fighting a greater variety of opponents then Obi Wan is.

[Bearon]

Adding RotS Sidious, Exar Kun, and Ulic Qel Droma next update.

[United States of Conner]

idk about putting Ventress above ROTJ Luke ...

Also, is this EU or new canon only?

[Bearon]

idk about putting Ventress above ROTJ Luke ...

Also, is this EU or new canon only?

EU/Legends included.

Also I understand the hesitance but given RotJ Luke's lack of force feats this makes Ventress a better opponent against a greater variety of enemies then Luke. If it was Ventress against RotJ Luke the fight could go either way or might even lean in Luke's favor because of the form advantage and strength advantage he holds over her.

[Bearon]

I'd say Kit Fisto isn't above Plo Koon.
Yes, Fisto stood up to Grievious, but this is The Clone Wars Grievious who is underpowered and broken.
Fisto should be number 48 tbh.

Fisto is likely slightly faster or more agile as he's stated as being directly faster then Obi Wan in the Cestus Deception ( granted this is pre RotS and thus pre prime Kenobi ). And Grievous in TCW isn't in his prime regarding skill but he should retain his physicals if we're viewing it as a cohesive timeline ( which I am for the purposes of this thread ). Also Fisto does have a form advantage over Grievous. Given how he fared against Grievous however I believe Fisto is at least TCW Grievous's equal without a form advantage. It's a small detail but it's there.

[Bearon]

Krayt fans might be disappointed when I rank him.

[EURANIA]

WHOA WHOA WHOA???
GALEN ABOVE REVAN AND EXAR KUN?
BEARON, THAT'S RIDICUOUS!
He's under Revan, at the least.
Also, where's Shakk Ti?
She's pretty strong.

Was she cut down?

Yoda is powerful.

[Bearon]

By the way, many of Evannova95's verdicts are faulty, relying on real world logic while star wars has it's own logic.
Most Star Wars duelists would suck and be laughed at in the real world, and their styles would suck.
Also, Caedus is much stronger than Evannova95 pictured him as.
Evannova95 has more subscirbers than most people, but his verdicts are very false.
Wollf Myth turned me from an Evannova95 fanboy to realizing just how faulty Evan is.
Granted, I like his videos, but he made a severe mistake when he wanked Krayt and lowballed Sidious.

I know. He bases his opinions too much on choreography when it can't accurately portray the characters.
Indeed. I agree Caedus was underrated in his versus video with Vader.

[Bearon]

WHOA WHOA WHOA???
GALEN ABOVE REVAN AND EXAR KUN?
BEARON, THAT'S RIDICUOUS!
He's under Revan, at the least.
Also, where's Shakk Ti?
She's pretty strong.

My reasoning for Galen being above Revan and Exar Kun is that his standard feats are enough to match or exceed their standard feats and his high end feats are enough to exceed their own. He is also equally skilled to Revan imo and though Exar Kun should be more skilled his power allows him to be a bigger threat to a larger amount of varied opponents. The list is set up by overall power ( force, skill, physical stats ) so somebody who might beat one person could be below them on this list.

Going to add her.

[Bearon]

WHOA WHOA WHOA???
GALEN ABOVE REVAN AND EXAR KUN?
BEARON, THAT'S RIDICUOUS!
He's under Revan, at the least.
Also, where's Shakk Ti?
She's pretty strong.

Was she cut down?

Yoda is powerful.

By pre prime Galen though it was really more of a lucky blow.

Indeed he is.

[Bearon]

Zannah's stronger than Rotj Luke lol
Do I need to get Wolf Myth on here m8?

Zannah is able to hold off Bane who should be an Anakin/Malgus/Maul level duelist going by his defeat of Kas'im In PoD and likely improvement by DoE but she is never able to pressure him. Imo her illusions/TP would not be able to affect Council Member force users or above, only serve as a distraction. Her TK is powerful granted by could likely be resisted by Council Member force users or above. Granted it's likely she's grown far more powerful by the time she's in her prime but this is never showcased. Cognus is above her because she had to defeat her even though she's essentially featless. RotJ got the better of Vader during their duel before he was enraged which suggests he's at least approaching his level. I believe he'd also be able to resist Zannah's various powers to the point that he could overcome her in a duel.

[Bearon]

Oh hell no.
Bane is far better than Vader.
Jensaarai1 and Evannova95 wank him as all hell.

Bane should be about equal to Vader in the force.

He is approaching Vader in every physical category though Vader is slightly better in all of them due to his cybernetic enhancements.

They should be about equal in speed.

Vader is less mobile/agile.

Vader is more skilled imo.

I think the skill and mobility advantage cancel out which only leaves Vader's slight physical advantage which allows him a slight edge.

[Bearon]

I know. He bases his opinions too much on choreography when it can't accurately portray the characters.
Indeed. I agree Caedus was underrated in his versus video with Vader.

So, I'm guessing you found out about Wollf Myth too and realized Evannova95 was crap after you debated with Wollf?

Nope. I don't comment on those videos.

[Bearon]

Bane should be about equal to Vader in the force.

He is approaching Vader in every physical category though Vader is slightly better in all of them due to his cybernetic enhancements.

They should be about equal in speed.

Vader is less mobile/agile.

Vader is more skilled imo.

I think the skill and mobility advantage cancel out which only leaves Vader's slight physical advantage which allows him a slight edge.

Bane is superior in the force, and arguably in dueling.
I'd at least place him above Anakin, and Anakin is underrated as a force wielder.
Also, I believe personally Anakin is also underrated as a duelist and is Bane's equal if not superior in that regard, and is the ultimate prime of Vader.
And thus Vader is technically weaker than bane, by that judgement.

Bane collapsing a temple and Vader collapsing a cathedral are even. Bane accomplished his feat on a DS Nexus. I'm sure he grew in power to the point he could do the feat unaided by DoE but to assume he could accomplish feats past that point is pushing it.

I don't see what proof there is for Bane being a superior duelist. He defeated a blade master in PoD and I'm sure he improved but nothing suggests he did to the point that he's a superior to Vader imo.

He is above a non rage amped/focused Anakin as is Vader.

I believe this too and that he is Bane's equal. I don't believe he's the ultimate prime and personally believe Vader is more skilled.

[United States of Conner]

I feel like hypothetical Darth Yoda should be on there.

IIRC it's stated that he would annahilate RotS Sidious.

[Bearon]

I feel like hypothetical Darth Yoda should be on there.

IIRC it's stated that he would annahilate RotS Sidious.

I'm not doing hypotheticals. Too many variables.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Officially, Luke is the most powerful force-user in SW canon, with Anakin/early Darth Vader right under him.

[Bearon]

Officially, Luke is the most powerful force-user in SW canon, with Anakin/early Darth Vader right under him.

Anakin had the most potential but showings don't line up with him being the most powerful. Also Luke is at the top for this reason along with his other showings.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Officially, Luke is the most powerful force-user in SW canon, with Anakin/early Darth Vader right under him.

Anakin had the most potential but showings don't line up with him being the most powerful. Also Luke is at the top for this reason along with his other showings.

Oh, I didn't realize we were going purely by visible feats. That makes sense, thanks!

[Bearon]

Anakin had the most potential but showings don't line up with him being the most powerful. Also Luke is at the top for this reason along with his other showings.

Oh, I didn't realize we were going purely by visible feats. That makes sense, thanks!

No problem. Looks like I'm going to do a bit of learning today what with the votes being mostly for post RotJ.

[Bearon]

Everytime I come back to this I grow sickened with myself. My opinions tend to change too easily so I'm giving up on completing a definitive list at least for now.

[The Romulan Republic]

Officially, Luke is the most powerful force-user in SW canon, with Anakin/early Darth Vader right under him.

Based on what?

If its old EU, it isn't canon any more.

And I'd think Palpatine, and possibly Windu and Yoda, should be up their as well.

[Bearon]

Officially, Luke is the most powerful force-user in SW canon, with Anakin/early Darth Vader right under him.

Based on what?

If its old EU, it isn't canon any more.

And I'd think Palpatine, and possibly Windu and Yoda, should be up their as well.

Based off canon/legends composite.

[Unified Governments]

Officially, Luke is the most powerful force-user in SW canon, with Anakin/early Darth Vader right under him.

Anakin had the most potential but showings don't line up with him being the most powerful. Also Luke is at the top for this reason along with his other showings.

Vader ended up becoming half robot which apparently robbed him of a lot of his Force power. This is apparently the reason he can't use Force lightning.

And yet he is still insanely powerful.

[Bearon]

Anakin had the most potential but showings don't line up with him being the most powerful. Also Luke is at the top for this reason along with his other showings.

Vader ended up becoming half robot which apparently robbed him of a lot of his Force power. This is apparently the reason he can't use Force lightning.

And yet he is still insanely powerful.

Yes.