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by Ermarian » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:25 pm
by Iron Dynasty » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:34 pm
linnaeya wrote:Does a rock know it's a rock? Obviously it cannot. Does this mean it cannot be a rock, since it doesn't identify itself as one? The correct formulation of "this is a rock" would be "many people would call this entity a rock". Identity is essentially subjective - a instance is assigned an identity based on how closely it corresponds to the observer's mental model of an ideal instance of whatever entity (their schema of that thing, in technical terms). Identity is not inherent in an object, but rather arises by observation (observation being always a process). It is much more useful to state who considers what which than to outright claim that the what is a which.
by Pragia » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:51 pm
by Quidomne » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:16 am
by Socialist Czechia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:46 am
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Iron Dynasty » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:57 am
linnaeya wrote:Does a rock know it's a rock? Obviously it cannot. Does this mean it cannot be a rock, since it doesn't identify itself as one? The correct formulation of "this is a rock" would be "many people would call this entity a rock". Identity is essentially subjective - a instance is assigned an identity based on how closely it corresponds to the observer's mental model of an ideal instance of whatever entity (their schema of that thing, in technical terms). Identity is not inherent in an object, but rather arises by observation (observation being always a process). It is much more useful to state who considers what which than to outright claim that the what is a which.
by Ifreann » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:22 am
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by Iron Dynasty » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:35 am
linnaeya wrote:Does a rock know it's a rock? Obviously it cannot. Does this mean it cannot be a rock, since it doesn't identify itself as one? The correct formulation of "this is a rock" would be "many people would call this entity a rock". Identity is essentially subjective - a instance is assigned an identity based on how closely it corresponds to the observer's mental model of an ideal instance of whatever entity (their schema of that thing, in technical terms). Identity is not inherent in an object, but rather arises by observation (observation being always a process). It is much more useful to state who considers what which than to outright claim that the what is a which.
by Auzkhia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:17 am
by New Babylonia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:48 am
Iron Dynasty wrote:*sigh* three Rarity-Centered episodes in a row.... I do not like her episodes. I really dont...
by Auzkhia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:08 am
by The Flutterlands » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:24 am
New Babylonia wrote:Iron Dynasty wrote:*sigh* three Rarity-Centered episodes in a row.... I do not like her episodes. I really dont...
I concur. Screw Rarity, if anypony needs 3 episodes in a row - it's Fluttershy. Seriously, she has the least character development of all the Mane 6. all the 'lessons' she learns get reverted, and she's back where she started at the episode beginning. They need to fix that, instead of a bunch of episodes with some prissy annoying wannabe 1st class pony.
by Frenequesta » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:28 am
The Flutterlands wrote:New Babylonia wrote:I concur. Screw Rarity, if anypony needs 3 episodes in a row - it's Fluttershy. Seriously, she has the least character development of all the Mane 6. all the 'lessons' she learns get reverted, and she's back where she started at the episode beginning. They need to fix that, instead of a bunch of episodes with some prissy annoying wannabe 1st class pony.
Didn't Fluttershy get three episodes last season? They weren't in a row, but they were all at least decent, right? Anyway, as a Fluttershy fan, I hope she gets some good episodes this season.
by The Flutterlands » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:34 am
Frenequesta wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:Didn't Fluttershy get three episodes last season? They weren't in a row, but they were all at least decent, right? Anyway, as a Fluttershy fan, I hope she gets some good episodes this season.
The point is that even in those cases Fluttershy hasn't "grown" to the degree that Rarity has because her development always seems to get resetted a couple of episodes later.
by Amistrinal » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:34 am
by Amistrinal » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:41 am
by Frenequesta » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:41 am
by New Babylonia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:45 am
by The Flutterlands » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:51 am
New Babylonia wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:And how has Rarity grown in a way Fluttershy hasn't?
Fluttershy hasn't grown at all. All of her growth gets backtracked and reset. She's the only of the Mane6 to have no real, permanent character development.
Rainbow Dash got more character development in Tanks for the Memories than Fluttershy has in the entire series. Because all of Fluttershy's was reverted.
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