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Postby Tokuopolis » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:07 pm

I just saw marks for effort, the 1st episode with Cozy Glow.

I have to say, she doesn't seem like the bad guy type, just a little misguided.

WTH happens between s8 episode 12 and the s8 finale to drive her over the edge?
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:09 pm

Tokuopolis wrote:I just saw marks for effort, the 1st episode with Cozy Glow.

I have to say, she doesn't seem like the bad guy type, just a little misguided.

WTH happens between s8 episode 12 and the s8 finale to drive her over the edge?

You ever watch Star Trek? Cause the Ferengi have a phrase that fits her: "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:34 pm

Tokuopolis wrote:I just saw marks for effort, the 1st episode with Cozy Glow.

I have to say, she doesn't seem like the bad guy type, just a little misguided.

WTH happens between s8 episode 12 and the s8 finale to drive her over the edge?


Nothing, she's just a straight up sociopath that's faking innocence.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:26 am

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Tokuopolis wrote:I just saw marks for effort, the 1st episode with Cozy Glow.

I have to say, she doesn't seem like the bad guy type, just a little misguided.

WTH happens between s8 episode 12 and the s8 finale to drive her over the edge?

You ever watch Star Trek? Cause the Ferengi have a phrase that fits her: "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."

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Tokuopolis wrote:I just saw marks for effort, the 1st episode with Cozy Glow.

I have to say, she doesn't seem like the bad guy type, just a little misguided.

WTH happens between s8 episode 12 and the s8 finale to drive her over the edge?


Nothing, she's just a straight up sociopath that's faking innocence.


So they played the Twist Villain Trope completely straight. While I enjoyed most of the Disney/Pixar films that used it, I only think some pulled it off well (Treasure Planet, Toy Story 2, Wreck-it Ralph 1, Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc) and those are the exception for me. If it doesn't work in animated films most of the time, it probably won't work in animated TV shows either. I'll have to watch the rest of s8 to see if they pull it off.
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Postby Giovenith » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:15 am

Tokuopolis wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:You ever watch Star Trek? Cause the Ferengi have a phrase that fits her: "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."

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Nothing, she's just a straight up sociopath that's faking innocence.


So they played the Twist Villain Trope completely straight. While I enjoyed most of the Disney/Pixar films that used it, I only think some pulled it off well (Treasure Planet, Toy Story 2, Wreck-it Ralph 1, Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc) and those are the exception for me. If it doesn't work in animated films most of the time, it probably won't work in animated TV shows either. I'll have to watch the rest of s8 to see if they pull it off.


It's been severely overused at this point. Now whenever I watch something for kids, the second I see the most innocent, kind, and unassuming character who's not a protagonist, I'm automatically like, "That's the villain." And I'm right.

Twist villains, by their nature, are something that can only be done once in a great while by a few people.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:55 am

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So they played the Twist Villain Trope completely straight. While I enjoyed most of the Disney/Pixar films that used it, I only think some pulled it off well (Treasure Planet, Toy Story 2, Wreck-it Ralph 1, Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc) and those are the exception for me. If it doesn't work in animated films most of the time, it probably won't work in animated TV shows either. I'll have to watch the rest of s8 to see if they pull it off.


It's been severely overused at this point. Now whenever I watch something for kids, the second I see the most innocent, kind, and unassuming character who's not a protagonist, I'm automatically like, "That's the villain." And I'm right.

Twist villains, by their nature, are something that can only be done once in a great while by a few people.

You hit the nail on the head there. Did you think the MLP S8 & S9 writers pulled it off?




Frozen cake.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:21 am

I wasn't much ever the impression they were trying to pull it off, but then again I probably watched the season out of order.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:26 am

I was never fooled about her. Saw it coming from a mile away.
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Postby Giovenith » Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:32 am

Tokuopolis wrote:
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It's been severely overused at this point. Now whenever I watch something for kids, the second I see the most innocent, kind, and unassuming character who's not a protagonist, I'm automatically like, "That's the villain." And I'm right.

Twist villains, by their nature, are something that can only be done once in a great while by a few people.

You hit the nail on the head there. Did you think the MLP S8 & S9 writers pulled it off?




Frozen cake.


Absolutely not. Come on, a Shirley Temple pony who pronounces her Ls as Ws, everybody uncritically praises as kind and smart, yet has a scary red chess piece for a cutie mark? Shouldn't she also have a neon sign flashing "TOTALLY NOT A SECRETLY EVIL DIVERSION" strapped to her back?
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Postby Tokuopolis » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:47 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:I wasn't much ever the impression they were trying to pull it off, but then again I probably watched the season out of order.

So am I. Go watch s8 ep 12 again. Tell me if there is anything that suggests she has a dark side. They deliberately played the twist villain trope painfully straight.

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Tokuopolis wrote:You hit the nail on the head there. Did you think the MLP S8 & S9 writers pulled it off?




Frozen cake.


Absolutely not. Come on, a Shirley Temple pony who pronounces her Ls as Ws, everybody uncritically praises as kind and smart, yet has a scary red chess piece for a cutie mark? Shouldn't she also have a neon sign flashing "TOTALLY NOT A SECRETLY EVIL DIVERSION" strapped to her back?

It probably would have been better to have a weird monstrous looking creature turn out to be friendly. Sure, that trope has also been used a lot, but it makes more narrative sense than twist villains 90% of the time.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:56 pm

Just saw a matter of principals.

It was okay

Discords How do you do fellow kids? gag was funny

The artefacts of the different species culture heroes was cool

No hint of Cozy Glow's future villainy as far as I could see. Why'd she go along with Cranky's demands if she's so evil? I'm sorry, I can't see this kid teaming with major villains. I doubt Chrysalis or any of the other villains (if they were in disguise) would go along with Cranky's demands.. I'm just gonna go with my headcanon that she was replaced by an evil universe counterpart at some point, then original Cozy Glow (who was as nice as she seemed to be) returned to the main reality.
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Postby Blargoblarg » Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:29 am

Tokuopolis wrote:
Frozen cake.

Oh come on, Pinkie isn't that dumb. She'd figure out a way to defy physics and get that cake.
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Postby Stanmenistan » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:19 pm

Controversial Opinion: Merriweather Williams is a Good Writer

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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:53 pm

Stanmenistan wrote:Controversial Opinion: Merriweather Williams is a Good Writer

for Spongebob.

Well, Spongebob is full of cartoonish, pea-brained idiots. Which is what she turned the ponies into every episode. Not shocking that show suits her.
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Postby Stanmenistan » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:23 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Stanmenistan wrote:Controversial Opinion: Merriweather Williams is a Good Writer

for Spongebob.

Well, Spongebob is full of cartoonish, pea-brained idiots. Which is what she turned the ponies into every episode. Not shocking that show suits her.

What did you say punk?

There are tons of "realistic", intelligent, well-rounded geniuses in Spongebob like Sandy Cheeks, Karen and Barnacle Boy. If you watched the show you'd know that, you silly. And MLP is hardly free of cartoonish, pea-brained idiots. Snips, Snails, Derpy Hooves, Prince Rutherford, Sandbar, Silverstream, Sonata Dusk, Garble and Bulk Biceps.

Merriwether Williams has worked on tons of cartoons including Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Rugrats, Kablam!, The Angry Beavers, SheZow, Littlest Pet Shop, Pound Puppies, Happy Tree Friends, Camp Lazlo, Pig Goat Banana Cricket and Adventure Time. So clearly the people who make cartoons think she's a good writer, and I trust them more than what some random fanboy has to say.

I think Hearth's Warming Eve and Bats! were good and IDGAF what anyone else thinks.
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Stanmenistan wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Well, Spongebob is full of cartoonish, pea-brained idiots. Which is what she turned the ponies into every episode. Not shocking that show suits her.

What did you say punk?

There are tons of "realistic", intelligent, well-rounded geniuses in Spongebob like Sandy Cheeks, Karen and Barnacle Boy. If you watched the show you'd know that, you silly. And MLP is hardly free of cartoonish, pea-brained idiots. Snips, Snails, Derpy Hooves, Prince Rutherford, Sandbar, Silverstream, Sonata Dusk, Garble and Bulk Biceps.

Merriwether Williams has worked on tons of cartoons including Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Rugrats, Kablam!, The Angry Beavers, SheZow, Littlest Pet Shop, Pound Puppies, Happy Tree Friends, Camp Lazlo, Pig Goat Banana Cricket and Adventure Time. So clearly the people who make cartoons think she's a good writer, and I trust them more than what some random fanboy has to say.

I think Hearth's Warming Eve and Bats! were good and IDGAF what anyone else thinks.

I don't care what the bitch wrote before or after this show. She wrote 2 of the absolute worst episodes of this entire effing series.
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Postby Stanmenistan » Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:41 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Stanmenistan wrote:What did you say punk?

There are tons of "realistic", intelligent, well-rounded geniuses in Spongebob like Sandy Cheeks, Karen and Barnacle Boy. If you watched the show you'd know that, you silly. And MLP is hardly free of cartoonish, pea-brained idiots. Snips, Snails, Derpy Hooves, Prince Rutherford, Sandbar, Silverstream, Sonata Dusk, Garble and Bulk Biceps.

Merriwether Williams has worked on tons of cartoons including Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Rugrats, Kablam!, The Angry Beavers, SheZow, Littlest Pet Shop, Pound Puppies, Happy Tree Friends, Camp Lazlo, Pig Goat Banana Cricket and Adventure Time. So clearly the people who make cartoons think she's a good writer, and I trust them more than what some random fanboy has to say.

I think Hearth's Warming Eve and Bats! were good and IDGAF what anyone else thinks.

I don't care what the bitch wrote before or after this show. She wrote 2 of the absolute worst episodes of this entire effing series.

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Welp, that adds a 4th show I need to get caught up on (Including Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Steven universe).

Do Regular Show first. Get the best ending out of the way first.

So did you watch adventure time or not? You seem to be contradicting yourself. And you won't say which MW wrote MLP Episodes you dislike so much. She also wrote one of the best spongebob episodes ever, Band Geeks (albeit with help from other people).



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Stanmenistan wrote:So did you watch adventure time or not?

Course I watched Adventure Time. What about it?

Stanmenistan wrote:And you won't say which MW wrote MLP Episodes you dislike so much.

Mare Do Well. The absolute, bottom of the barrel, WORST episode out of all 222 of them.
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Stanmenistan wrote:So did you watch adventure time or not?

Course I watched Adventure Time. What about it?

Stanmenistan wrote:And you won't say which MW wrote MLP Episodes you dislike so much.

Mare Do Well. The absolute, bottom of the barrel, WORST episode out of all 222 of them.


Are you sure that's the worst episode? The worst one, in my opinion, is the Season 2 Finale. There you have idiotic and OOC charachters
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Postby Stanmenistan » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:12 am

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Stanmenistan wrote:So did you watch adventure time or not?

Course I watched Adventure Time. What about it?

Its just you said you didn't care about what she did before. She wrote tons of Adventure Time episodes, including some you might like.

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Stanmenistan wrote:And you won't say which MW wrote MLP Episodes you dislike so much.

Mare Do Well. The absolute, bottom of the barrel, WORST episode out of all 222 of them.

And what's the other one? You said She wrote 2 of the absolute worst episodes of this entire effing series.

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Course I watched Adventure Time. What about it?


Mare Do Well. The absolute, bottom of the barrel, WORST episode out of all 222 of them.


Are you sure that's the worst episode? The worst one, in my opinion, is the Season 2 Finale. There you have idiotic and OOC charachters

The Season 2 Finale is awesome (both parts). A cool villain, backstory for Twilight and a great final showdown, a great song. The characters were tricked by Chrysalis, not acting OOC. Don't @ me.
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MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:Are you sure that's the worst episode? The worst one, in my opinion, is the Season 2 Finale. There you have idiotic and OOC charachters

You trying to compare A Canterlot Wedding to Mare Do Well? Come on, bro. Canterlot Wedding has a total bop of a villain song, introduced Chrysalis, turned Twilight into a laser machine gun, etc. It rules.

MDW turned the entire cast into a bunch assholes.
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Stanmenistan wrote:Its just you said you didn't care about what she did before. She wrote tons of Adventure Time episodes, including some you might like.

And I still don't care. Frankly, some of those episodes are crap too. Especially "Slow Love".

Stanmenistan wrote:And what's the other one? You said She wrote 2 of the absolute worst episodes of this entire effing series.

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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:29 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
MineLegotia and Equestria wrote:Are you sure that's the worst episode? The worst one, in my opinion, is the Season 2 Finale. There you have idiotic and OOC charachters

You trying to compare A Canterlot Wedding to Mare Do Well? Come on, bro. Canterlot Wedding has a total bop of a villain song, introduced Chrysalis, turned Twilight into a laser machine gun, etc. It rules.

MDW turned the entire cast into a bunch assholes.


Eh, it is in my opinion. (I probably read too much of those accusation fics!) Tho I can agree on MDW, the charachters were dicks.
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Postby Stanmenistan » Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:32 am

Ameriganastan wrote:. Canterlot Wedding has a total bop of a villain song, introduced Chrysalis, turned Twilight into a laser machine gun, etc. It rules.

I can agree with that.

Ameriganastan wrote:
Stanmenistan wrote:And what's the other one? You said She wrote 2 of the absolute worst episodes of this entire effing series.

"Bats!".

Really? The fun vampire-spoof episode, with a good song and a nice moral about compromise, is not just a bad (MW) episode but one of the worst in the series? Not "Putting Your Hoof Down", "Dragon Quest" or "Spike at Your Service"? I can't believe it.

Wonderbolts academy was also a good Merriwether Williams Episode (IMO).
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