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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:13 pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... er/613348/

I had no idea that MLP had any racist or political subcultures, but if that is the case- people must not let the politically correct types gain complete control as to censor such art. The show in my mind is for everyone to enjoy on its own merits. If there is art that certain people perceive to be negative, the counter is to make art that is the opposite of that- than to try to deplatform or take down such art.

The concept of the zebras representing Black people, is a bit amusing to me I must admit. My guess is that if a ponified version of American history is made, that the ones to represent the native Americans will be the buffalo like in that one old episode?
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Postby Ameriganastan » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:32 pm

Saiwania wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/

I had no idea that MLP had any racist or political subcultures, but if that is the case- people must not let the politically correct types gain complete control as to censor such art. The show in my mind is for everyone to enjoy on its own merits. If there is art that certain people perceive to be negative, the counter is to make art that is the opposite of that- than to try to deplatform or take down such art.

Oh yeah, it's always been there. For cripes sake, one of the most popular fan-ponies out there is a Nazi pony called Aryanne with a swastika for a cutie mark. If all this means we're finally putting that to bed, good.
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Postby Stanmenistan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:51 am

Saiwania wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/

I had no idea that MLP had any racist or political subcultures, but if that is the case- people must not let the politically correct types gain complete control as to censor such art. The show in my mind is for everyone to enjoy on its own merits. If there is art that certain people perceive to be negative, the counter is to make art that is the opposite of that- than to try to deplatform or take down such art.

Good idea.

The concept of the zebras representing Black people, is a bit amusing to me I must admit. My guess is that if a ponified version of American history is made, that the ones to represent the native Americans will be the buffalo like in that one old episode?

Not all Black People; Sapphire Shores, Matilda, Captain Celaeno and Queen Novo all have black VAs. Zebras are meant to be a Native African tribe, not a representation of all Black People. The Buffalo represent great plains Amerindians but Ahuizotl and the Jungle civilisation he represents are Aztec Amerindians (Ahuizotl is from Aztec mythology after all).




One thing I Don't quite get about Far Right fans of the franchise; they are aware that Tara Strong is Jewish, right? And the woman who played Megan in the original show is Black and Mixed-Race. Its just seems hard to reconcile those facts with an extremely discriminatory viewpoint.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:21 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Saiwania wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/

I had no idea that MLP had any racist or political subcultures, but if that is the case- people must not let the politically correct types gain complete control as to censor such art. The show in my mind is for everyone to enjoy on its own merits. If there is art that certain people perceive to be negative, the counter is to make art that is the opposite of that- than to try to deplatform or take down such art.

Oh yeah, it's always been there. For cripes sake, one of the most popular fan-ponies out there is a Nazi pony called Aryanne with a swastika for a cutie mark. If all this means we're finally putting that to bed, good.

Some bronies are like "it's just jokes though" like what's the point of the OC if she's just one trick pony nazi caricature?
Saiwania wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/

I had no idea that MLP had any racist or political subcultures, but if that is the case- people must not let the politically correct types gain complete control as to censor such art. The show in my mind is for everyone to enjoy on its own merits. If there is art that certain people perceive to be negative, the counter is to make art that is the opposite of that- than to try to deplatform or take down such art.

The concept of the zebras representing Black people, is a bit amusing to me I must admit. My guess is that if a ponified version of American history is made, that the ones to represent the native Americans will be the buffalo like in that one old episode?

Deplatforming works, Nazis shouldn't be welcomed.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:45 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Oh yeah, it's always been there. For cripes sake, one of the most popular fan-ponies out there is a Nazi pony called Aryanne with a swastika for a cutie mark. If all this means we're finally putting that to bed, good.

Some bronies are like "it's just jokes though" like what's the point of the OC if she's just one trick pony nazi caricature?


Same reason those annoying kids who sat behind you in middle school sent themselves into unstoppable snickering fits at constantly bursting out non sequiturs like, "Penis!" "Fa--ot!" in the middle of class. Or, if they were feeling particularly lazy, just a random "HOOOOOO!" dog/gorilla sound.

They get an immature little thrill out of being all "tee hee! I'm so naughty!" because they think going out of your way to bother others is the height of comedy. Some people never grow out of that.
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Postby Tokuopolis » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:14 am

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Can we not.

Why?

It's something new and pony-related.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:01 am

Tokuopolis wrote:
Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:
Can we not.

Why?

It's something new and pony-related.


I'm not a fan of the wannabe-chibi, hyperactive, screaming, wacky face making, annoying alternate version trend that Western cartoons have been on lately.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:04 am

Auzkhia wrote:Deplatforming works, Nazis shouldn't be welcomed.


The point is that deplatforming doesn't work in the long run, it perhaps works for individuals but not as much for whole groups of people, who will get together to make their own platforms that're outside the control of people who want to shut them down or do censorship. Hateful types will come whether people want them to or not. There is enough demand out there for hate in general, so there are people willing to profit from it.

I myself, am not sold on the merits of harmony as certain people define it, as actually being harmonious. MLP for a lot of people, is just silly escapism and not something whose values are to actually take to heart because in the real world, its true that reality is zero sum in certain respects. For every winner, there is someone or something that loses out in order to enable the winners to reap their rewards generally speaking.
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Postby The Thestral Directorate » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:20 am

Saiwania wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Deplatforming works, Nazis shouldn't be welcomed.


The point is that deplatforming doesn't work in the long run, it perhaps works for individuals but not as much for whole groups of people, who will get together to make their own platforms that're outside the control of people who want to shut them down or do censorship. Hateful types will come whether people want them to or not. There is enough demand out there for hate in general, so there are people willing to profit from it.


Yeah, but typically the new platform they create isn't nearly as popular as the previous one. If you get deplatformed from something like Twitter or Derpibooru, you lose out on a significant audience who can reach you. To give an example, plenty of alt-right figures have been deplatformed on social media and Patreon before, cutting off a good amount of their income. Sure, they can go to someplace like Gab where they can peddle their views, but it's not nearly as effective in reaching out to susceptible people who would otherwise be a part of their movement.

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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:24 pm

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Auzkhia wrote:Some bronies are like "it's just jokes though" like what's the point of the OC if she's just one trick pony nazi caricature?


Same reason those annoying kids who sat behind you in middle school sent themselves into unstoppable snickering fits at constantly bursting out non sequiturs like, "Penis!" "Fa--ot!" in the middle of class. Or, if they were feeling particularly lazy, just a random "HOOOOOO!" dog/gorilla sound.

They get an immature little thrill out of being all "tee hee! I'm so naughty!" because they think going out of your way to bother others is the height of comedy. Some people never grow out of that.

There's immature edginess and then there's normalizing fringe extreme ideologies through jokes. There's a line here, but that's really beyond the scope of this thread.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:08 pm

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Same reason those annoying kids who sat behind you in middle school sent themselves into unstoppable snickering fits at constantly bursting out non sequiturs like, "Penis!" "Fa--ot!" in the middle of class. Or, if they were feeling particularly lazy, just a random "HOOOOOO!" dog/gorilla sound.

They get an immature little thrill out of being all "tee hee! I'm so naughty!" because they think going out of your way to bother others is the height of comedy. Some people never grow out of that.

There's immature edginess and then there's normalizing fringe extreme ideologies through jokes. There's a line here, but that's really beyond the scope of this thread.


Sure, but trying the hardest to see who can be the edgiest is usually how these things begin.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:11 pm

Giovenith wrote:
Tokuopolis wrote:Why?

It's something new and pony-related.


I'm not a fan of the wannabe-chibi, hyperactive, screaming, wacky face making, annoying alternate version trend that Western cartoons have been on lately.

You'd love the newest Thundercats series.

The creator made it because his older brothers loved both the 80's and 2010's cartoon, and they hated TTG, so he made a Thundercats TTG-esque (Thundercats Roar) series simply because he hates his brothers and wanted to spite them.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:15 pm

This is most active this thread has been in ages, and it's cause we're talking about nazi's.

Weird times we live in.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:53 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:This is most active this thread has been in ages, and it's cause we're talking about nazi's.

Weird times we live in.


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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:53 pm

Giovenith wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:This is most active this thread has been in ages, and it's cause we're talking about nazi's.

Weird times we live in.


Godwin has yet to be proven wrong.

Godwin's law is dead, its creator has let it run free.

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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:05 pm

Giovenith wrote:
Tokuopolis wrote:Why?

It's something new and pony-related.


I'm not a fan of the wannabe-chibi, hyperactive, screaming, wacky face making, annoying alternate version trend that Western cartoons have been on lately.

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Postby Holy Marsh » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:27 pm

Pony Life isn't for me. My kids liked it though and it wasn't like I felt the need to claw my eyes out, so eh?

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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:30 pm

I don't like overly cute art styles because I just find them horrendous. Fluttershy is cute but the proportions are right on the dot.
Thankfully Pony life isn't 3D.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:42 pm

Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:I don't like overly cute art styles because I just find them horrendous. Fluttershy is cute but the proportions are right on the dot.
Thankfully Pony life isn't 3D.


I don't even think it's that cute. I think it's the teeth that ruins it for me, big ol' grinning Loony Tune mouths is less "cute chibi" and more "creepy snack mascot."
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Postby Twicetagram and JYPe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:39 pm

Giovenith wrote:
Twicetagram and JYPE wrote:I don't like overly cute art styles because I just find them horrendous. Fluttershy is cute but the proportions are right on the dot.
Thankfully Pony life isn't 3D.


I don't even think it's that cute. I think it's the teeth that ruins it for me, big ol' grinning Loony Tune mouths is less "cute chibi" and more "creepy snack mascot."

This discussion we're having reminds me of VeggieTales and their horrendous Netflix adaptation.
But yeah, if not used at the right place teeth can look very awkward on someone.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:55 pm

It just feels unnecessary. Like the finale was damn near perfect...and then they exhume the body and do this to it.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:21 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:It just feels unnecessary. Like the finale was damn near perfect...and then they exhume the body and do this to it.


Hasbro needed in on that sweet, sweet "Teen Titans Go" money.
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Postby The Remote Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:58 am

Oh hey, bronies are still around? I wonder what they're up t-

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More seriously, I do wonder how you guys are faring since the show ended. I never watched it myself because I drink my bourbon neat but I was always fascinated with human-in-Equestria fanfics, mainly because there's so much dark comedic potential between world-weary humans and idealistic ponies.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:04 am

The Remote Islands wrote:More seriously, I do wonder how you guys are faring since the show ended.

Oh, I was depressed for like a week after it ended. But I got over it eventually.
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Postby MineLegotia and Equestria » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:10 am

The Remote Islands wrote:Oh hey, bronies are still around? I wonder what they're up t-

Saiwania wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/06/my-little-pony-nazi-4chan-black-lives-matter/613348/


More seriously, I do wonder how you guys are faring since the show ended. I never watched it myself because I drink my bourbon neat but I was always fascinated with human-in-Equestria fanfics, mainly because there's so much dark comedic potential between world-weary humans and idealistic ponies.

You too relish dark comedy between humans and ponies? We should be friends.

Also on the topic of Brony Nazis... very small portion of the Brony Fandom, quite simply irrelevant nowadays. But that aforementioned Atlantic Article has triggered what can potentially be a mass exodus from Derpibooru after what many see as a shift from Free Speech to One Sided Censorship.
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