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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:07 pm

Shwe Tu Colony wrote:I feel like I can't differentiate my characters until I've developed them over long periods of time. Sekka & Mac are some of my oldest characters, both going back to elementary school I think with only slightly embarrassing backstories that I wouldn't mention unless drunk at a campfire. Otherwise, the most distinct characters of mine revolve around a gimmick — for example, one is obsessed with cheese.

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Let's take a look at your characters.

Bo'kan Ko'la: Lampade in ser- dang it.
Ir'a Tar'rama: Once the chie- oh boo
Ka'tyu Za'v: Diploma- well isn't diplomacy a skill?
Ka'ir Bia'yu: Cunning - wait that counts as a skill.
Ka'ir Azhsaloth: Generous & wealthy from his many exploits in Ashan, Azsh'aloth helped construct a maybe-plot relevant library.
Fa'l Asandrau: She helped save Can... ah, that counts as plot relevance.
Mac, God of the Mind & the Creator's Avatar: Having been shocked by divine lighting, Mac is almost too aware of his fictional life & hardly takes it seriously... which counts as a skill I guess.
Sekka Verndara: Emotionless due to how he was created, Sekka only understands emotion. Nonetheless, he can be greatly motivated by money, but his loyalty & honesty ensures that any bribe you might throw his way would take more money than you have. Earlier on, it was known that the Thryllasian Region was an untamed mess, which may have inspired a fear of no control in him that sharply contrasts with his Chao-influenced roots. It seems that he has long since forgotten those origins & come under more obedience under an orderly system.


First tip: I would keep simpler names for the characters... I would also be wary of naming one of my characeters "Kola". He must be real fizzy and sugary. Keeping simple names for characters means you're not wasting time coming up with names that won't add to the story anyway. Sure, it's a fun exercise, but then you realize, "Will the audience appreciate this, or will they just be annoyed?". Names don't make a character. Instead, they should help the audience understand your character, and your names don't really send me any messages, since they're... Etymologized from a language I'm not familiar with, I assume. Find names that make sense and don't make it hard for yourself or the audience on what they are.

Indeed, I find the most effective fantasy is close to history, so that it doesn't put the audience in a completely alien world they will not have a frame of reference for.

Also... Be extremely wary of self-insert characters and especially author avatars. They will very quickly reel out of control into self-indulgence, and it's why so many Mary Sues are author inserts. By that point, it stops being about writing a good story and about fulfilling your fantasies. If that's your intention, fine. But always remember: just because you're having fun doesn't mean your audience is. Sure, your characters can have aspects of your personality, which helps you and your audience relate to them better, but none of them are EXACTLY like me.

Finally, the wording on your last character is very confusing. He was born emotionless... So he understands emotion? What?

Let's look at a usual but well-executed usual Fantasy Party: the characters of Warhammer: VERMINTIDE.

They're well-developed characters, with their facades, but also with hidden depths, and a lot of it is through the way they react to their environments.

Saltzpyre is a snob, who considers anything that isn't in service of the Empire as meaningless, because he believes in the system the Empire has created. However, he himself is a victim of snobbery by his superiors, and is therefore secretly insecure about that system. He models himself as the ideal Witch Hunter as a result, unwavering in the face of criticism and threats, both from his superiors and those he regards as inferiors. Despite seeing himself as a leader, he berates and insults his party members, making him the one nobody likes, ironically enough. Now that I'm analyzing him, he's a lot like my Priestess.

Kruber I find is very similar to my Paladin, even though I wrote him way before I ever heard of VERMINTIDE. He is very simple-minded, a man who believes more in actions rather than words. He serves, and is often troubled by things he doesn't allow himself to question, but due to his moral certitude, maintains under his facade as just another loyal Imperial servant. He is quite kind and open-minded, and makes fast comrades with everyone in the party, even Saltzpyre.

Kerillian is similar to Saltzpyre in many ways, and yet, they are easily the ones who dislike each other the most out of anybody. She even likes the dwarf better, despite dwarfs and elves being mortal race enemies in Warhammer. Kerillian knows she's right, as her many years of life may make her think, and she has little patience for anybody. I think she is quite a tragic character, since she will most likely wander and stand alone, since she is exiled from her hearthlands and considers most other people beneath her, except maybe Fuguenosas.

Fuguenosas is, amazingly, almost identical to my Witch with elements from my Dragoon. I swear, I didn't steal from VERMINTIDE, although now I'm thinking I should. :lol: Her knowledge is her power, and her power manifests as fire magic. Magic and it's pursuit are all she cares about. More knowledge, more magic, more power. Her greatest flaw is her addiction to it, as the very thing that makes her powerful could one day destroy her, and she very well may allow it to destroy her. But not yet, because she still isn't done with her research.

And, the dwarf, who is I feel the weakest character, because he's just Indiana Jones as a dwarf: adventurous, bawdy, boisterous. So, Gimli, more or less. He's basically my Spy, a character I haven't mentioned, and it would be more interesting if he were trying to have sex with Kerillian, because then he'd have motivations beyond treasure. I kinda got that vibe at least, what with all the Belligerent Sexual Tension memes they kept throwing around.

It's interesting that these characters are all outcasts in some way.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:11 pm

Also, can we talk about how awesome the word VERMINTIDE is?
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Postby Shwe Tu Colony » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:42 pm

In terms of completely alien world, it's Renaissance-era technology, but my world seems like it might be pretty different from many others.

The names are from an entirely fictional language I have, although Fa'l's name is from an earlier variant of it, everyone from Bo'kan to Azsh'aloth are the currently-used variant, & Sekka was made long before the language, so it's s bit different. Also, I never noticed that Bo'kan's last name was like the Cola in Coca Cola until you pointed it out, for some reason. Ideally, it's supposed to be interpreted as ridiculous, maybe slightly amusing, but not annoying (sort of slapstick humor... well I don't think it could qualify as humor). As for Sekka, he can't feel emotions, but he does understand what they're like to some extent. He can't feel your sadness, but he would understand that whatever tragic event is why you're not feeling well. Alternatively, he could understand that whatever positive event is why you seem slightly more annoying more joyful. He doesn't feel emotions himself, though, but I keep that definition a bit loose, since he could still feel a desire to exact vengeance, but not feel rage or any emotions at the same time. Oh, & about the characters have aspects of one's personality, I'd say that all of my characters have a small part of my personality embedded in them, or traits that I find desirable.

Also, Mac has already reeled out of control into absurdity. Below are examples from just NationStates.
"I'm not the only one getting a weird sense of deja vu, right?" questioned Azsh'aloth as he exited a portal, his stature around that of a normal human, "Ah well, this sort of stuff always happens with Mac around. Let's just not question it."

"Fufufufufu, making people confused is me job, mate!" Mac said, moving towards the door at a faster rate, "Just an issue with bein' me — you just get so desensitized to..." Before Mac could continue, Sekka's arm would momentarily be seen at the doorframe before then taking Mac by the collar of his lab coat, yanking him away & so that they could exit the building at last.

"Now for no particular reason, or at least one that I won't name," Mac abruptly began while facing Sekka, who was on a lawn chair, "I feel like a round or two in the karaoke bar, so into the soundproof room I go! Have fun... eating if you & Lyndon still have somewhere to sample & didn't eat it all in the last two days."

"Eh, don't question it," he then said, removing his hands, "Now then, which bloody song was it ye wanted to practice? Mayhaps 'All for the Best'? I'll be the sadder one."

"Any of the several thousands methods of payment or currencies will do, thanks to... metaphorical Psytrine magic, we're able to work with any method of payment, be it digitally-mined currency, actual cheddar, artifacts, or even those wheels of stones known as rai stones!" Mac stated.

"Eh, last rumor I heard of his poor āhiya — and yes, that is some foreign language — he was hung up in a chain of four, a binding on each limb that attached it to a circle. His captor took what would best be described as a selfie with himself behind, for whatever reason," Mac said, beginning his first measurement for Hoppy, "I'm not entirely sure if the poor idiot is still being kept sane or if he's already being... tested is the best way to put it I suppose. I don't know what gruesome shit he's going through, but it sure won't be fun!"

"I think I should have a pastry or two in my lab coat pocket, I always do," Mac stated as he pulled out a madeleine from one of the pockets in his lab coat, "In case I need to search for some lost time near a cup of green tea... which reminds me, momentarily..."

In response, Mac immediately replied to Sekka in Amharic, speaking at a fairly fast speed perhaps slightly slower than an auctioneer that seemed to be an incredibly detailed explanation on alcoholic beverages. "Mac, I don't understand a word you're saying," Sekka then told the boy, who continued talking until Sekka tried to place his finger in the boy's mouth... who promptly bit it with such force that Sekka's armor became nearly imperceptibly crunched together, with Mac continuing to talk.

"Bah! Deities!" the voice in the tarp would say before continuing in a variety of expletives in Russian, German & Polish before then angrily asking Sekka a question in Russian. After a few more moments of struggle, a boy about four feet high in a white lab coat, purple gloves, & lab goggles came out of the tarp, dragging out some sort of huge wrench from the tarpaulin as well.

"Mac, I thought you wanted to come by tomorrow morning," Sekka said with his hands on his hips for whatever reason, plus how did you even get here so fast?"

A reply came in Vietnamese before Sekka lightly struck him over the head, causing Mac to rub the impact spot before responding in Russian. In response, Sekka lightly hit him on the head again, prompting the boy to rub the spot again & continue talking, albeit changing back to Vietnamese.

"It's time to stop with the references, Mac!" Sekka groaned out, facepalming & shaking his head. Once more, the boy gave a response in Vietnamese.

Another light hit on the head silence Mac's objections — likely in response to yet another excuse to mention a song by Mac. "Mon dieu, ce n'est pas nécessaire," came the boy's reply as he rubbed his head before he continued speaking, albeit in Vietnamese, although his tone was clearly sarcastic.

"For someone of your capabilities, it's ridiculous how helpless you always pretend to be," Sekka replied, facepalming once more. Mac would then respond in Vietnamese before Sekka told him to "just enjoy the bloody show.

Mac would comment something in French after receiving the whiskey, say something else in Vietnamese, & then chug the whole red cup in a single go. After doing so, he wouldn't even look even slightly tipsy, & would gaze with disappointment at the empty cup. "Wow, that's all?" he said, pulling out a glass bottle of Spirytus rektyfikowany, which Culie's sword dragon promptly slashed in two, "D'oh! Guess they didn't want me to cause survival horror gameplay again!" he said afterwards, looking up through the top of the bottle, for whatever reason, before then vacuuming the floor with his wrench, which acted as a vacuum cleaner by sucking air through the socket.

"But really, giving me a lot to drink — like some seven-ish bottles of recitified spirit — is a pretty bad idea. I went to a party where I got seven bottles, & almost everyone died!" he then said, laughing, "If you want to know more, just ask Culie or Tsemper! Ya'll'ses were what, final ten? Who was last to be killed? Twas Izanagi, yes? Or was it Raymond who was last to die? Eh, hard to distinguish between King Arthur's gay AND European son by 80 some generations in comparison to the also straight as y=ax^2+bx+c dragon god who was in a coma for like... seven years? How does anyone go for that long with so much change in seven years anyways?"


"Me oh my it's looking awfully dicey!" Mac said as he exited the portal, juggling several revolvers & a toaster, the latter of which launched a slice of toast surrounded in a sphere of plasma into his mouth, which he somehow ate whole, "They'll regret this attempt, I can tell them that." After he said this, he would snap his fingers, catch all of his revolvers in one flamboyant motion of both of his arms...


[This toaster] can fire 20 million degree Celsius toast at high speeds (Mac likes his toast nice & crunchy).


... remembering one party between all the regions were someone gave Mac several bottles of Spirytus Rektyfikowany, which Mac downed in a few minutes. In the next few afterwards, almost everyone was dead & the few were left were playing survival horror with the absolutely drunk deity (who proceeded to revive everyone he killed & gave a surprisingly gracious apology). Wasn't quite as bad as him after consuming candy or other artificially-sweetened products, but still a horrible experience nonetheless.


He's a fun character to write, but probably unpleasant to read about, especially when he starts monologuing like in one of the later samples.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:A nice exercise.


You sure seem to know a lot about the characters of Eragon. :lol:

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:54 am

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You sure seem to know a lot about the characters of Eragon. :lol:

???


I at first assumed you were applying the Plinkett to the characters of Eragon, but then I realized none of them have this much personality, so I concluded only later that they were your own characters.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:13 am

The Plinkett test looks fun to use on other people's characters, particularly in visual media. I'm not sure it has much merit in assessing your own characters though, since the issue there is usually less "do you know your character?" and more "does what you know about your character come through on the page?".

Still, nice to see people posting in here.

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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:47 pm

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My problem is that I feel like my characters are too similar to a character from another work, even the ones I was inspired by. I had one character who was of the same sex and wore a similar outfit to the character I was inspired by. They had similar appearances, with the main difference is that mine had long hair and a different personality and occupation.

One story that I have been writing on and off was also inspired by a handful of characters and historical people, but less virtuous. He comes across to me as Robin Hood (he’s a thief that steals from the rich), but he does it for his own personal gain rather than giving to the poor. However, he still has standards as he refuses to kill for any reason.


If appearance is the issue, give him a different outfit :lol:

As for them doing the same things, hmm, that's tricky without doing lots of re-writing.

Gonna need a lot more information than "Robin Hood but he keeps all the money." So... He's just a regular thief?

What do you want to do with the character, exactly?


I was inspired by a couple of anime which both had a pacifist protagonist. At least, pacifistic in the sense that they refuse to take a life, but will fight to protect others. They also both take place in dangerous environments, but I decided my character should be a thief just because it seemed like a cool idea finding out how a thief would loot and escape without resorting to violence if detected.

Beyond that, I don't have much to work with.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:11 pm

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:The Plinkett test looks fun to use on other people's characters, particularly in visual media. I'm not sure it has much merit in assessing your own characters though, since the issue there is usually less "do you know your character?" and more "does what you know about your character come through on the page?".

Still, nice to see people posting in here.


I find the Plinkett Test is very useful for figuring if your characters actually have a personality and they're not just roles in your story.

It helps to come up with plotlines that aren't dependent on cliches like McGuffins or Chosen One narratives.

Plus, it helps with developing a character's agency, instead of depending on troubled backstories or other Freudian cliches.
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So I came across a video about how the inability of the author of Empress Theresa to take criticism led to a 10,000 comment debacle on Amazon: I wonder if there have been anything worse apart from Sonichu?

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Minoa wrote:So I came across a video about how the inability of the author of Empress Theresa to take criticism led to a 10,000 comment debacle on Amazon: I wonder if there have been anything worse apart from Sonichu?

Sources: TAKING CRITICISM - Terrible Writing Advice and Empress Theresa | Down the Rabbit Hole by Fredrik Knudsen

I tell you who can't criticism: Those A-holes who write Sister Claire. Every time someone (Usually me before I just quit reading) pointed out a flaw (Their tendency to retcon, repetitive story structure, every villain getting the MLP forgiveness treatment, etc.) they'd get snippy as fuck and try using "This comment section is a safe place, so be quiet" as an excuse. Pricks.
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So, how do I write stories, RP's, articles, fanfics, etc. Do I have to write more, read it again, repair any errors or redundancies, and repeat until I become better.

Anyway, I want to improve my RP, as well as writing stories and a Fanfic now. Unfortunately, I'm now lazy on all of them. By the way, one if my stories will be a horror story, after I read creepypasta, while the Fanfic is a crossover crack fanfic set in a Multiversal bar. However, I still want to make the writing good, not that "teh man den become ded after drinking a Dank mountain dew." type and have proper characterizations, rather than characters doing OOC things. So, weird things, but in character and good written
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Has anyone ever written a script/screenplay for a music video? I was offered the opportunity to write one up for a friend but I have barely a fuckin clue lol. Any advice?


The Federation of Kendor wrote:So, how do I write stories, RP's, articles, fanfics, etc. Do I have to write more, read it again, repair any errors or redundancies, and repeat until I become better.

Anyway, I want to improve my RP, as well as writing stories and a Fanfic now. Unfortunately, I'm now lazy on all of them. By the way, one if my stories will be a horror story, after I read creepypasta, while the Fanfic is a crossover crack fanfic set in a Multiversal bar. However, I still want to make the writing good, not that "teh man den become ded after drinking a Dank mountain dew." type and have proper characterizations, rather than characters doing OOC things. So, weird things, but in character and good written

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When writing, try to figure out the purpose of every sentence, and every paragraph. Try to figure out what tone you're aiming for, and be as aware as possible of who your characters are, what their aims are and so on.
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The Grene Knyght wrote:Has anyone ever written a script/screenplay for a music video? I was offered the opportunity to write one up for a friend but I have barely a fuckin clue lol. Any advice?


The Federation of Kendor wrote:So, how do I write stories, RP's, articles, fanfics, etc. Do I have to write more, read it again, repair any errors or redundancies, and repeat until I become better.

Anyway, I want to improve my RP, as well as writing stories and a Fanfic now. Unfortunately, I'm now lazy on all of them. By the way, one if my stories will be a horror story, after I read creepypasta, while the Fanfic is a crossover crack fanfic set in a Multiversal bar. However, I still want to make the writing good, not that "teh man den become ded after drinking a Dank mountain dew." type and have proper characterizations, rather than characters doing OOC things. So, weird things, but in character and good written

Read a lot. Write a lot.
When reading, try to be aware of how the story is constructed. Why things are written the way they are. If a sentence strikes you as being particularly strange or odd or bad or good, try to figure out why, try to figure out what its purpose is. Be aware of all the little things the author is doing to set the tone, to characterise their characters, etc.
When writing, try to figure out the purpose of every sentence, and every paragraph. Try to figure out what tone you're aiming for, and be as aware as possible of who your characters are, what their aims are and so on.

So, I have to overcome my feeling of shyness when writing about characters. I mean, I have trouble writing romance or certain character details because if it.

Also, why do we use past tense to write stories, even if they are currently unfolding (as in RP's)
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:So, I have to overcome my feeling of shyness when writing about characters. I mean, I have trouble writing romance or certain character details because if it.

Unless you're writing smut, romance is easy. Even a braying lummox like me can write it. And I do...a lot.

The Federation of Kendor wrote:Also, why do we use past tense to write stories, even if they are currently unfolding (as in RP's)

My opinion on this: It makes it feel more like a story.
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Postby Minoa » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:27 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Minoa wrote:So I came across a video about how the inability of the author of Empress Theresa to take criticism led to a 10,000 comment debacle on Amazon: I wonder if there have been anything worse apart from Sonichu?

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This is the most incredible marketing campaign I have ever seen. Norman Boutin is a strategic genius.

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:09 pm

Shwe Tu Colony wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Imagine if one day all your characters woke up in the wrong bodies. Would you still be able to tell who was who, just by the way they act?


Oh dear, I feel like that's not the case with one set of characters I have. I've never liked to describe my character's personalities outright... which on second thought is probably why I feel like they're all so similar. I much prefer developing my characters' personalities through their actions & dialogue than it is for me to base their actions & dialogue around an already-stated personality. I don't describe personalities well, although I do prefer using major motivations where possible to base dialogue off of where possible. Sometimes I end up with characters too centered around a central idea, though (& by sometimes, I mean three characters).

Or maybe it's just that I've never thought to describe their personalities to differentiate them.


Your characters should have distinct personalities, but that doesn't necessarily mean you need to describe their personalities. Sometimes it's better not to come right out and state, "Bob was brash and arrogant." But you should have some idea that Bob is supposed to be arrogant, and you should have him act accordingly, even if you don't come out and say it directly.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:19 pm

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:The Plinkett test looks fun to use on other people's characters, particularly in visual media. I'm not sure it has much merit in assessing your own characters though, since the issue there is usually less "do you know your character?" and more "does what you know about your character come through on the page?".

Still, nice to see people posting in here.


So much this!
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:21 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
If appearance is the issue, give him a different outfit :lol:

As for them doing the same things, hmm, that's tricky without doing lots of re-writing.

Gonna need a lot more information than "Robin Hood but he keeps all the money." So... He's just a regular thief?

What do you want to do with the character, exactly?


I was inspired by a couple of anime which both had a pacifist protagonist. At least, pacifistic in the sense that they refuse to take a life, but will fight to protect others. They also both take place in dangerous environments, but I decided my character should be a thief just because it seemed like a cool idea finding out how a thief would loot and escape without resorting to violence if detected.

Beyond that, I don't have much to work with.


Think about why he's a thief -- ICly, not just because you thought it was cool -- how he got into it, etc.?
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:22 pm

Alex Is Hotland wrote:*pokes head into thread*
Hi there! I've been doing stuff on NationStates for a few years, but I've never actually posted in the forums. This thread reminds me of the NaNoWriMo community, so I feel safe posting here.


Some of us have tried NaNoWriMo. You writing anything interesting?
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:40 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:So, how do I write stories, RP's, articles, fanfics, etc. Do I have to write more, read it again, repair any errors or redundancies, and repeat until I become better.

Anyway, I want to improve my RP, as well as writing stories and a Fanfic now. Unfortunately, I'm now lazy on all of them. By the way, one if my stories will be a horror story, after I read creepypasta, while the Fanfic is a crossover crack fanfic set in a Multiversal bar. However, I still want to make the writing good, not that "teh man den become ded after drinking a Dank mountain dew." type and have proper characterizations, rather than characters doing OOC things. So, weird things, but in character and good written


Reading and writing a lot helps, because you can get better with practice.

RP-wise, I find the use of scorinators in the Sports forum weirdly helpful because it forces you to adapt your narrative to random elements rather than following a cliche formula. If the scorinator says you got your ass kicked, then you got your ass kicked and you need to make it work ICly.
It's a good reminder to get away from writing Mary Sues. The Sports forum has some of the absolute worst RP on NS because people can rely on the scorinator and the other players to keep things moving while they sit there drooling, but it also has some of the best RP because the people who actually write serious RP are forced to vary their plots and adapt to random elements.

Sorry about so many posts in a row. It's a bad habit that I've had ever since I joined NS, and not one that I've been able to completely kick since becoming a mod.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:19 pm

Ever have a writing epiphany? Like, when you're doing something normal and something just clicks and suddenly a story is completely changed but it was always meant to be?
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:27 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Ever have a writing epiphany? Like, when you're doing something normal and something just clicks and suddenly a story is completely changed but it was always meant to be?


Those are fun. :)
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:14 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Ever have a writing epiphany? Like, when you're doing something normal and something just clicks and suddenly a story is completely changed but it was always meant to be?

Yes. I call them "This is good" moments. Cause for some reason, I like saying "This is good" when I get an idea.
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