Dragon Ball Discussion Thread - WAIFU WARS: THE DBZ FRONT

[New Rnclave]

People bluff, Narin. Just because someone brags they can do something, doesn't mean they are actually capable of it.

Plus, I'd say Cell was star destroyer. If he can detonate the Sun, he could destroy a solar system, so he wasn't lying.

Black words: "Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form). An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!"
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Yes. Destroying the sun still constitutes destroying the solar system.

[Narintia]

Black words: "Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form). An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!"
Black text shown here

Yes. Destroying the sun still constitutes destroying the solar system.

"Blow away the Solar System"
In what context does "Blow away the solar system"= "Destroying a star"

[The Republic of Atria]

Yes. Destroying the sun still constitutes destroying the solar system.

"Blow away the Solar System"
In what context does "Blow away the solar system"= "Destroying a star"

Stars are like 99% the mass of a single solar system anyways.

[Narintia]

"Blow away the Solar System"
In what context does "Blow away the solar system"= "Destroying a star"

Stars are like 99% the mass of a single solar system anyways.

I think Rnie means that Cell would fire it at the star, which would cause the star to go boom, so it wouldn't be Cell's Kamehameha that actually destroyed the solar system

[The Republic of Atria]

Stars are like 99% the mass of a single solar system anyways.

I think Rnie means that Cell would fire it at the star, which would cause the star to go boom, so it wouldn't be Cell's Kamehameha that actually destroyed the solar system

Either way, shit's fucked.

[Narintia]

I think Rnie means that Cell would fire it at the star, which would cause the star to go boom, so it wouldn't be Cell's Kamehameha that actually destroyed the solar system

Either way, shit's fucked.

Noone wins in the end.
Well, expect Zamasu of course

[Gurori]

Either way, shit's fucked.

Noone wins in the end.
Well, except Zamasu of course

No shit sherlock, he lives in a different universe entirely.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Turles (Post Fruit Two) VS Third Form Freeza
SSJ Bardock vs Frieza first form
Turles (no fruit) vs Vegeta (Cui battle)
Cooler Final Form vs 100% Freeza
Kamiccolo vs Future Android 17 and 18
Kamiccolo vs Future Cell
SSJ2 Future Gohan vs Future Android 17 and 18
SSJ4 Goku vs SSG Goku
Vegetto (Buu Saga SSJ) vs Base form Goku (ResoF)
KKX100 Goku (Lord Slug) vs FSSJ Goku (Lord Slug)
Final Form Freeza vs SSJ Vegeta (Namek)
Super Android 13 vs Broly LSSJ (Movie
LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan
Bojack FP vs Cell (Without Zenkai)
Mystic Gohan vs Gogeta SSJ
Gogeta Blue vs Fused Zamasu
Frost vs Resurrection F Freeza first form
DBZ vs Superman
Goku vs everyone in Naruto + Sailor Moon + Bleach + Yu Yu Hakusho + One Piece (Base form only, End of Z)
Superman vs Saitama

Frieza eats Turles for breakfast
Frieza and Bardock have a pretty even match, with Bardock having a power level of 500,000 vs Frieza's power level which is slightly higher.
Cooler is seemingly implied to be stronger than Frieza, as well as smarter, so he takes it.
post fusion Piccolo takes the future androids apart, they are said to be weaker than their present counterparts.
Piccolo can again dominate Cell, if you mean the one Trunks fought after he beat the androids in his future.
SSJ2 Future Gohan vs the androids is a complete joke, Gohan takes them apart in one blow each.
God Goku defeats SSJ4 Goku without even touching him, his aura alone would be enough to kill an SSJ4.
I think RoF Goku takes it. Frieza is above Gohan in his first form alone, and Goku matches his final form in base. that's obscene. Vegito is toast.
Full power SSJ Goku would be weaker than Kaioken x100 Goku at the same point in the series, but Kaioken would drain his stamina in a heartbeat and SSJ Goku would take the win.
I think Vegeta would be just barely strong enough to defeat Frieza at 100%. not that Vegeta would allow him to get to 100%, so Vegeta wins with ease.
hmm, I think Broly can take Super 13.
Broly gets absolutely roflstomped by SSJ2 Gohan from the Cell Games, he gets one punched like the Cell JRs.
hmmm that's probably really close. I'd say they're around the same, but Cell regens and Bojack doesn't so Cell wins.
SSJ Gogeta is leagues above Ultimate Gohan, Gohan loses immediately.
Gogeta Blue would probably defuse almost immediately, so Zamasu takes it. Vegito couldn't beat Zamasu so neither can the weaker Gogeta.
I think Frost loses to first form Frieza honestly. Goku was sandbagging hard in their fight.
Zeno just deletes Superman like it's nothing, and I'm sure someone like Merged Zamasu or the Grand Priest can take Supes too.
Goku can beat all those guys, I don't know muh about those anime but I'm pretty sure no one in them is on the level of gods.
Saitama one punches Superman, duh

[New Rnclave]

Noone wins in the end.
Well, except Zamasu of course

No shit sherlock, he lives in a different universe entirely.

There's no need to be a cock dude.

Turles (Post Fruit Two) VS Third Form Freeza
SSJ Bardock vs Frieza first form
Turles (no fruit) vs Vegeta (Cui battle)
Cooler Final Form vs 100% Freeza
Kamiccolo vs Future Android 17 and 18
Kamiccolo vs Future Cell
SSJ2 Future Gohan vs Future Android 17 and 18
SSJ4 Goku vs SSG Goku
Vegetto (Buu Saga SSJ) vs Base form Goku (ResoF)
KKX100 Goku (Lord Slug) vs FSSJ Goku (Lord Slug)
Final Form Freeza vs SSJ Vegeta (Namek)
Super Android 13 vs Broly LSSJ (Movie
LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan
Bojack FP vs Cell (Without Zenkai)
Mystic Gohan vs Gogeta SSJ
Gogeta Blue vs Fused Zamasu
Frost vs Resurrection F Freeza first form
DBZ vs Superman
Goku vs everyone in Naruto + Sailor Moon + Bleach + Yu Yu Hakusho + One Piece (Base form only, End of Z)
Superman vs Saitama

1.) Third Form Freiza on this one. Turles was superior to Goku with KK10 ( Goku was at 30k during the Tree of Might ) by a fair margin, but even if a second fruit gives the same boost, Freiza is still at least 2 million in his third form
2.) I'd give this one Super Saiyan Bardock, since he's a seasoned warrior and within 30,000 of Freiza, but only if he takes Freiza out before he transforms.
3.) Turles here, or at least a tie. He was able to almost keep up with Goku when he arrives, and since Goku was stated to be at 30,000, that puts Turles at least 25,000. But Vegeta is usually put around 24,000 here and he picked up some neat tricks from Earth.
4.) Freiza, easy. In Revenge of Cooler, Goku was able to go toe to toe with Cooler in his base form, so unless Goku surpassed 120 million in base after Namek, Cooler is the weaker brother.
5.) Again, Kamiccolo easy. If I'm right, I'm pretty sure some said Future 17 & 18 have gotten weaker over time, meaning Kamiccolo, who could fight Present 17 as an equal, should be able to handle them.
6.) Kamiccolo takes the cake here too. Future Cell should actually be weaker than his present counterpart, seeing as he had less people to feed on.
7.) Future Gohan should have an easy win, seeing as he fought 17 and 18 to a standstill with one arm.
8.) Super Saiyan God should be on a completely different level than Super Saiyan Four, but I can't compare them, since we really don't have any feats from either. Tie, maybe?

I'll finish the rest later, since I'm on a trip and my phones low xD
9.)

[Czechanada]

Goddamn, I loved the DBZ Abridged/Fist of the North Star crossover.

"Christ, did anyone ever tell you you're already an asshole?"

[Britanania]

Goddamn, I loved the DBZ Abridged/Fist of the North Star crossover.

"Christ, did anyone ever tell you you're already an asshole?"

It was pretty good.

[Narintia]

No shit sherlock, he lives in a different universe entirely.

There's no need to be a cock dude.

Turles (Post Fruit Two) VS Third Form Freeza
SSJ Bardock vs Frieza first form
Turles (no fruit) vs Vegeta (Cui battle)
Cooler Final Form vs 100% Freeza
Kamiccolo vs Future Android 17 and 18
Kamiccolo vs Future Cell
SSJ2 Future Gohan vs Future Android 17 and 18
SSJ4 Goku vs SSG Goku
Vegetto (Buu Saga SSJ) vs Base form Goku (ResoF)
KKX100 Goku (Lord Slug) vs FSSJ Goku (Lord Slug)
Final Form Freeza vs SSJ Vegeta (Namek)
Super Android 13 vs Broly LSSJ (Movie
LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan
Bojack FP vs Cell (Without Zenkai)
Mystic Gohan vs Gogeta SSJ
Gogeta Blue vs Fused Zamasu
Frost vs Resurrection F Freeza first form
DBZ vs Superman
Goku vs everyone in Naruto + Sailor Moon + Bleach + Yu Yu Hakusho + One Piece (Base form only, End of Z)
Superman vs Saitama

1.) Third Form Freiza on this one. Turles was superior to Goku with KK10 ( Goku was at 30k during the Tree of Might ) by a fair margin, but even if a second fruit gives the same boost, Freiza is still at least 2 million in his third form
2.) I'd give this one Super Saiyan Bardock, since he's a seasoned warrior and within 30,000 of Freiza, but only if he takes Freiza out before he transforms.
3.) Turles here, or at least a tie. He was able to almost keep up with Goku when he arrives, and since Goku was stated to be at 30,000, that puts Turles at least 25,000. But Vegeta is usually put around 24,000 here and he picked up some neat tricks from Earth.
4.) Freiza, easy. In Revenge of Cooler, Goku was able to go toe to toe with Cooler in his base form, so unless Goku surpassed 120 million in base after Namek, Cooler is the weaker brother.
5.) Again, Kamiccolo easy. If I'm right, I'm pretty sure some said Future 17 & 18 have gotten weaker over time, meaning Kamiccolo, who could fight Present 17 as an equal, should be able to handle them.
6.) Kamiccolo takes the cake here too. Future Cell should actually be weaker than his present counterpart, seeing as he had less people to feed on.
7.) Future Gohan should have an easy win, seeing as he fought 17 and 18 to a standstill with one arm.
8.) Super Saiyan God should be on a completely different level than Super Saiyan Four, but I can't compare them, since we really don't have any feats from either. Tie, maybe?

I'll finish the rest later, since I'm on a trip and my phones low xD
9.)

ToM always gives 10x boost, after first fruit turles pl spiked to 300k, so the next should grt him to 3 million

[New Rnclave]

There's no need to be a cock dude.



1.) Third Form Freiza on this one. Turles was superior to Goku with KK10 ( Goku was at 30k during the Tree of Might ) by a fair margin, but even if a second fruit gives the same boost, Freiza is still at least 2 million in his third form
2.) I'd give this one Super Saiyan Bardock, since he's a seasoned warrior and within 30,000 of Freiza, but only if he takes Freiza out before he transforms.
3.) Turles here, or at least a tie. He was able to almost keep up with Goku when he arrives, and since Goku was stated to be at 30,000, that puts Turles at least 25,000. But Vegeta is usually put around 24,000 here and he picked up some neat tricks from Earth.
4.) Freiza, easy. In Revenge of Cooler, Goku was able to go toe to toe with Cooler in his base form, so unless Goku surpassed 120 million in base after Namek, Cooler is the weaker brother.
5.) Again, Kamiccolo easy. If I'm right, I'm pretty sure some said Future 17 & 18 have gotten weaker over time, meaning Kamiccolo, who could fight Present 17 as an equal, should be able to handle them.
6.) Kamiccolo takes the cake here too. Future Cell should actually be weaker than his present counterpart, seeing as he had less people to feed on.
7.) Future Gohan should have an easy win, seeing as he fought 17 and 18 to a standstill with one arm.
8.) Super Saiyan God should be on a completely different level than Super Saiyan Four, but I can't compare them, since we really don't have any feats from either. Tie, maybe?

I'll finish the rest later, since I'm on a trip and my phones low xD
9.)

ToM always gives 10x boost, after first fruit turles pl spiked to 300k, so the next should grt him to 3 million

Where exactly did you see that it gives him a ten times boost? Because I've never seen a confirmed stat on that

[Gurori]

Mr Popo > Zeno

[Finland SSR]

I think Frost loses to first form Frieza honestly. Goku was sandbagging hard in their fight.

I disagree. The Universe 6 Supreme Kai stated that third form Frost and Goku are about even, and Goku needed Super Saiyan to mangle Frost's final form. Frieza, meanwhile, needed to transform to his final form just to keep up with base Goku (and that Goku was before three years of RoSaT training, mind you), so Frost would stomp his first form pretty easily.

In addition, Frieza never trained before the time leading up to RoF, while Frost is, as far as we can tell, all about fighting bad guys and ending wars across the Universe (even if he is the one to start them and profit from them.)

[Narintia]

ToM always gives 10x boost, after first fruit turles pl spiked to 300k, so the next should grt him to 3 million

Where exactly did you see that it gives him a ten times boost? Because I've never seen a confirmed stat on that

It's very simple math, Goku and Turles were dead even until Turles used the first fruit and deathstomped KKx10 Goku. So it probably increased his PL into the 300k range which is a 10x boost. Following the same logic the next fruit should take him to 3 million

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

I think Frost loses to first form Frieza honestly. Goku was sandbagging hard in their fight.

I disagree. The Universe 6 Supreme Kai stated that third form Frost and Goku are about even, and Goku needed Super Saiyan to mangle Frost's final form. Frieza, meanwhile, needed to transform to his final form just to keep up with base Goku (and that Goku was before three years of RoSaT training, mind you), so Frost would stomp his first form pretty easily.

In addition, Frieza never trained before the time leading up to RoF, while Frost is, as far as we can tell, all about fighting bad guys and ending wars across the Universe (even if he is the one to start them and profit from them.)

the reason I think Frieza was stronger and Goku was sandbagging to a massive extent is because Piccolo is able to at least sort of be a match for Frost, where he was legitimately going to win till Frost cheated. Piccolo could not even stand up to Tagoma in RoF, and certainly not to Frieza.

the power scaling in Super is a mess, but given this info the only conclusion I can make is that Goku was screwing around the entire fight and was never trying in the slightest.

[New Rnclave]

Where exactly did you see that it gives him a ten times boost? Because I've never seen a confirmed stat on that

It's very simple math, Goku and Turles were dead even until Turles used the first fruit and deathstomped KKx10 Goku. So it probably increased his PL into the 300k range which is a 10x boost. Following the same logic the next fruit should take him to 3 million

Where do you get them being dead even? Because Goku was pushing Turles back easily that entire fight until he used the fruit. Also, if he stomped KKx10 Goku, he would be above a 10 times boost, because Goku was at 30,000 during that fight.

[Reploid Productions]

the only conclusion I can make is that Goku was screwing around the entire fight and was never trying in the slightest.

This would not surprise me in the slightest. Goku almost never fights seriously, at least not right out of the gate, even in situations where "go all out from the start" would be the wisest decision. The idiot wants a challenge, and as he's gotten more and more powerful, he's also developed a subtle (and lately not-so-subtle) arrogance and overconfidence in his abilities. We've seen that manifest several times in Super thus far, from his behavior during his very first match with Beerus to his overconfidence getting him shot in the back during the fight with Frieza, and perhaps most telling how he behaved during his first round with Black and his latest "COME AT ME BRO!" during the early stages of the current arc. During the U6 arc, the only combatant he seemed to feel was a serious challenge was Hit, and he wound up underestimating Frost as a result of that bias, possibly coupled with assuming that Frost was on par with Namek-saga Frieza.

[Finland SSR]

I disagree. The Universe 6 Supreme Kai stated that third form Frost and Goku are about even, and Goku needed Super Saiyan to mangle Frost's final form. Frieza, meanwhile, needed to transform to his final form just to keep up with base Goku (and that Goku was before three years of RoSaT training, mind you), so Frost would stomp his first form pretty easily.

In addition, Frieza never trained before the time leading up to RoF, while Frost is, as far as we can tell, all about fighting bad guys and ending wars across the Universe (even if he is the one to start them and profit from them.)

the reason I think Frieza was stronger and Goku was sandbagging to a massive extent is because Piccolo is able to at least sort of be a match for Frost, where he was legitimately going to win till Frost cheated. Piccolo could not even stand up to Tagoma in RoF, and certainly not to Frieza.

the power scaling in Super is a mess, but given this info the only conclusion I can make is that Goku was screwing around the entire fight and was never trying in the slightest.

Piccolo was never going to win against Frost, no.

From the very start both Goku and Piccolo were aware that Frost was superior to him, even though Frost had already been wrecked hard in the fight beforehand and could barely stand on his feet. And while yes, Piccolo was going pretty well for a while there, but in the end, all it took for Frost was a single energy beam to the chest and Piccolo was down.

Sure, he cheated, but is anything here saying that he can't use the same poison against Frieza?

[Gurori]

the reason I think Frieza was stronger and Goku was sandbagging to a massive extent is because Piccolo is able to at least sort of be a match for Frost, where he was legitimately going to win till Frost cheated. Piccolo could not even stand up to Tagoma in RoF, and certainly not to Frieza.

the power scaling in Super is a mess, but given this info the only conclusion I can make is that Goku was screwing around the entire fight and was never trying in the slightest.

Piccolo was never going to win against Frost, no.

From the very start both Goku and Piccolo were aware that Frost was superior to him, even though Frost had already been wrecked hard in the fight beforehand and could barely stand on his feet. And while yes, Piccolo was going pretty well for a while there, but in the end, all it took for Frost was a single energy beam to the chest and Piccolo was down.

Sure, he cheated, but is anything here saying that he can't use the same poison against Frieza?

Maybe poison doesn't affect his kind.

[Gurori]

the only conclusion I can make is that Goku was screwing around the entire fight and was never trying in the slightest.

This would not surprise me in the slightest. Goku almost never fights seriously, at least not right out of the gate, even in situations where "go all out from the start" would be the wisest decision. The idiot wants a challenge, and as he's gotten more and more powerful, he's also developed a subtle (and lately not-so-subtle) arrogance and overconfidence in his abilities. We've seen that manifest several times in Super thus far, from his behavior during his very first match with Beerus to his overconfidence getting him shot in the back during the fight with Frieza, and perhaps most telling how he behaved during his first round with Black and his latest "COME AT ME BRO!" during the early stages of the current arc. During the U6 arc, the only combatant he seemed to feel was a serious challenge was Hit, and he wound up underestimating Frost as a result of that bias, possibly coupled with assuming that Frost was on par with Namek-saga Frieza.

Which is stupid because Goku can sense energy, so he clearly didn't even bother to check on Frost's power.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

the reason I think Frieza was stronger and Goku was sandbagging to a massive extent is because Piccolo is able to at least sort of be a match for Frost, where he was legitimately going to win till Frost cheated. Piccolo could not even stand up to Tagoma in RoF, and certainly not to Frieza.

the power scaling in Super is a mess, but given this info the only conclusion I can make is that Goku was screwing around the entire fight and was never trying in the slightest.

Piccolo was never going to win against Frost, no.

From the very start both Goku and Piccolo were aware that Frost was superior to him, even though Frost had already been wrecked hard in the fight beforehand and could barely stand on his feet. And while yes, Piccolo was going pretty well for a while there, but in the end, all it took for Frost was a single energy beam to the chest and Piccolo was down.

Sure, he cheated, but is anything here saying that he can't use the same poison against Frieza?

Piccolo was going to win though

if not for that poison prick, Piccolo shot Frost in the face with a highly charged makankosappo and took him out. that blast blew a whole in the arena barrier, nothing up till that point was strong enough to do that. Frost was down for sure if he took that attack head on.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

This would not surprise me in the slightest. Goku almost never fights seriously, at least not right out of the gate, even in situations where "go all out from the start" would be the wisest decision. The idiot wants a challenge, and as he's gotten more and more powerful, he's also developed a subtle (and lately not-so-subtle) arrogance and overconfidence in his abilities. We've seen that manifest several times in Super thus far, from his behavior during his very first match with Beerus to his overconfidence getting him shot in the back during the fight with Frieza, and perhaps most telling how he behaved during his first round with Black and his latest "COME AT ME BRO!" during the early stages of the current arc. During the U6 arc, the only combatant he seemed to feel was a serious challenge was Hit, and he wound up underestimating Frost as a result of that bias, possibly coupled with assuming that Frost was on par with Namek-saga Frieza.

Which is stupid because Goku can sense energy, so he clearly didn't even bother to check on Frost's power.

nah Frost only took Goku out because of the poison, otherwise he had no chance. that's not something Goku could sense.

of course, it only worked because he was screwing around. if he'd just one punched Frost like he could have it would not have been a problem

[Reploid Productions]

Which is stupid because Goku can sense energy, so he clearly didn't even bother to check on Frost's power.

nah Frost only took Goku out because of the poison, otherwise he had no chance. that's not something Goku could sense.

of course, it only worked because he was screwing around. if he'd just one punched Frost like he could have it would not have been a problem

Pretty much. Plus up until Jaco called out the needle, everyone was buying Frost's 'sporting, good fellow' act so nobody was expecting him to be such a rotten cheat. Piccolo could have won against Frost via his strategy if not for the needle. Had Goku not been taking his sweet time fucking around to try and make the fight more fun, the slimy lizard probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to use it at all.