Dragon Ball Discussion Thread - WAIFU WARS: THE DBZ FRONT

[Gurori]

I severely dislike the english voices of both Champa and Vados.

[The Republic of Atria]

I severely dislike the english voices of both Champa and Vados.

Champa is meh. But it fits him.

Vados has a top tier voice.

[Gurori]

I severely dislike the english voices of both Champa and Vados.

Champa is meh. But it fits him.

Vados has a top tier voice.

For some reason I get Towa vibes when I hear it.

[Finland SSR]

Poll updated.

Now this is a question for our target demographic.

[Reploid Productions]

Given the fact the series is predominantly led by all male characters, and the show's target audience being teenage males.... I am curious to see these poll results. (Voted no, BTW. Just not into the whole body pillow thing. I'll stick to t-shirts and well-made PVC figures for my merch of choice!)

EDIT TO ADD: Probably get wildly different results if the poll specified a character or type of character, I bet.

[Narintia]

I would buy a Goku Black body pillow if it existed and I have no problem with admitting that. Ideally it would be him in Rose with the words''NINGEN'' and ''SUBARASHII'' in the background
I would kill for that

[Gurori]

VEGITO........ BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Narintia]

VEGITO........ BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

RIP Gur, Reppy will come at you with the wrath of the headphone user

[Reploid Productions]

VEGITO........ BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

RIP Gur, Reppy will come at you with the wrath of the headphone user

Just saying, garbage like this is precisely why I never load an unknown Youtube or video link with my volume turned up. Because I like my hearing and I have a strong aversion to headaches.

*bashes Gur over the head with a squeaky hammer repeatedly anyway*

[Gurori]

RIP Gur, Reppy will come at you with the wrath of the headphone user

Just saying, garbage like this is precisely why I never load an unknown Youtube or video link with my volume turned up. Because I like my hearing and I have a strong aversion to headaches.

*bashes Gur over the head with a squeaky hammer repeatedly anyway*

Ech, stehp it DX

[Gurori]

Gohan ties with Lavenda.

Bergamo seems to be able to grow in size.

[New Rnclave]

After the specifics of the consequences for losing were revealed in Episode 80, it seems odd that no one is pissed at Goku, especially Gohan and or the other Universes.

Every universe is being risked for the high of a battle junkie.

[Saint Morning]

After the specifics of the consequences for losing were revealed in Episode 80, it seems odd that no one is pissed at Goku, especially Gohan and or the other Universes.

Every universe is being risked for the high of a battle junkie.

Except Universe 1 & 12, 5 &8, seeing as they apparently have better mortals than the rest of the universes.

[The Republic of Atria]

After the specifics of the consequences for losing were revealed in Episode 80, it seems odd that no one is pissed at Goku, especially Gohan and or the other Universes.

Every universe is being risked for the high of a battle junkie.

Except Universe 1 & 12, 5 &8, seeing as they apparently have better mortals than the rest of the universes.

Suddenly, our DBU RP not participating in it makes sense. Otis is, technically speaking, a mortal. He's not the same race as Whis or Vados. But he's on their level. Which brings the average mortal PL up substantially. He saved the universe on a technicality.

[New Rnclave]

Except Universe 1 & 12, 5 &8, seeing as they apparently have better mortals than the rest of the universes.

Suddenly, our DBU RP not participating in it makes sense. Otis is, technically speaking, a mortal. He's not the same race as Whis or Vados. But he's on their level. Which brings the average mortal PL up substantially. He saved the universe on a technicality.

Then you also have to factor in the trillions of people that are still dead after Mizuna and Glacia xD There's not to many normal people left.

But honestly, they probably removed those universes so they wouldn't have to draw over 100 new fighters.

[The Republic of Atria]

Suddenly, our DBU RP not participating in it makes sense. Otis is, technically speaking, a mortal. He's not the same race as Whis or Vados. But he's on their level. Which brings the average mortal PL up substantially. He saved the universe on a technicality.

Then you also have to factor in the trillions of people that are still dead after Mizuna and Glacia xD There's not to many normal people left.

But honestly, they probably removed those universes so they wouldn't have to draw over 100 new fighters.

Also true. Natural selection is a BITCH. Must plan some side posts for him. I really love writing him, and I don't do it enough.

Makes sense. Would be kick ass if they'd brought back Cell or something. By far and large, he's my favorite villain.

[Reploid Productions]

Well, I suppose I can live with Gohan putting up a really damn good fight and the match ending in a draw.

As for people not getting immediately pissed at Goku for the whole tournament now that the consequences are known... he was kinda let off the hook by the entire announcement. Zen-Oh was already looking at getting rid of the low-performing universes from the sounds of it, instead of just wiping Universes 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 all out, thanks to the tournament ONE of them will at least survive. One surviving universe is still better than the apparent alternative of all of those being wiped out. Granted, it's anyone's guess when or even IF Zen-Oh would have carried out the mass universe wipe-out had Goku not reminded him about the tournament idea. I mean, the little eldritch horror apparently forgot all about the tournament, so it's entirely possible that wiping out low-performing universes was something he'd considered but might also have forgotten about. So Goku's still to blame for the tournament, but just how much he's to blame for the coming universes' destruction is open to debate.

And yeah, from a story-management perspective, finding an excuse to trim down the number of universes involved is just a good idea. I mean, with teams of ten fighters per universe and twelve universes, that would have been a tournament roster of over 100 characters. Actually creating that many and making them all interesting enough to hold viewer interest in that many fights would have been prohibitive. With four universes trimmed from the roster, that knocks 40 fighters off the list. Assuming the universes are matched up like a regular tournament bracket, the action will be starting already at the quarter-final match.

Also.... iiiiinteresting that Whis and Vados and their ilk are apparently safe from universal annihilation. If the attendants to the various Gods of Destruction are allowed to remain, I wonder if that means universes are also created and that any angel not assigned to a currently-existing universe can be assigned to a new-made one. ... granted, we have no indication at this point if Zen-Oh can create as well as destroy universes.

And, typical shonen series move. "BTW, you guys are the underdogs going into this, lawl, have fun with that!" The magic words to kick the heroes in their collective pants to go and take levels in badass and pull out all the stops.

EDIT TO ADD:

Also! Aside from trimming the roster for the Universe Survival arc, holding those four universes exempt from the tournament because they're so high-performing leaves them available for use in a later story arc. "Always bigger fish" in full effect. The universe that wins the tournament isn't the strongest in the multiverse, it's just the best out of the under-performers. Leaves room for the series to continue after this arc is over with.

[The Republic of Atria]

Well, I suppose I can live with Gohan putting up a really damn good fight and the match ending in a draw.

As for people not getting immediately pissed at Goku for the whole tournament now that the consequences are known... he was kinda let off the hook by the entire announcement. Zen-Oh was already looking at getting rid of the low-performing universes from the sounds of it, instead of just wiping Universes 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 all out, thanks to the tournament ONE of them will at least survive. One surviving universe is still better than the apparent alternative of all of those being wiped out. Granted, it's anyone's guess when or even IF Zen-Oh would have carried out the mass universe wipe-out had Goku not reminded him about the tournament idea. I mean, the little eldritch horror apparently forgot all about the tournament, so it's entirely possible that wiping out low-performing universes was something he'd considered but might also have forgotten about. So Goku's still to blame for the tournament, but just how much he's to blame for the coming universes' destruction is open to debate.

And yeah, from a story-management perspective, finding an excuse to trim down the number of universes involved is just a good idea. I mean, with teams of ten fighters per universe and twelve universes, that would have been a tournament roster of over 100 characters. Actually creating that many and making them all interesting enough to hold viewer interest in that many fights would have been prohibitive. With four universes trimmed from the roster, that knocks 40 fighters off the list. Assuming the universes are matched up like a regular tournament bracket, the action will be starting already at the quarter-final match.

Also.... iiiiinteresting that Whis and Vados and their ilk are apparently safe from universal annihilation. If the attendants to the various Gods of Destruction are allowed to remain, I wonder if that means universes are also created and that any angel not assigned to a currently-existing universe can be assigned to a new-made one. ... granted, we have no indication at this point if Zen-Oh can create as well as destroy universes.

And, typical shonen series move. "BTW, you guys are the underdogs going into this, lawl, have fun with that!" The magic words to kick the heroes in their collective pants to go and take levels in badass and pull out all the stops.

EDIT TO ADD:

Also! Aside from trimming the roster for the Universe Survival arc, holding those four universes exempt from the tournament because they're so high-performing leaves them available for use in a later story arc. "Always bigger fish" in full effect. The universe that wins the tournament isn't the strongest in the multiverse, it's just the best out of the under-performers. Leaves room for the series to continue after this arc is over with.

It seemed like Goku actually managed to luck out on this one. Seemed like Zeno was gonna wipe out the crappy universes anyways. If anything, he probably saved at least one or two. My question is... Given how Zeno was planning on doing things. That means universe 9 will likely kick the bucket. Unless there's some sort of tie. Also, it also seems that the Kais are supposed to get off their butts and maybe guide the life they made instead of just letting it grow on its own, if Beerus's terrified rants are any indication.

Honestly, there was some foreshadowing that the other universes were stronger. Zamasu being as strong as he was for a Kai, completely outclassing U7's Supreme Kai according to Goku.

And the reactions when it was revealed that the angels will be spared were hilarious. It also makes sense. Angels are offspring of the Grand Priest. Replacing them is probably extremely difficult. GP has to get his waifu pregnant, they have to wait for the angel to be born, grow up, train him, probably a bunch of other stuff and assign him. Hard to say if it's GP really caring for his children, or he's a legit sociopath and the angels are simply too valuable to destroy.

[Reploid Productions]

Well, I suppose I can live with Gohan putting up a really damn good fight and the match ending in a draw.

As for people not getting immediately pissed at Goku for the whole tournament now that the consequences are known... he was kinda let off the hook by the entire announcement. Zen-Oh was already looking at getting rid of the low-performing universes from the sounds of it, instead of just wiping Universes 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 all out, thanks to the tournament ONE of them will at least survive. One surviving universe is still better than the apparent alternative of all of those being wiped out. Granted, it's anyone's guess when or even IF Zen-Oh would have carried out the mass universe wipe-out had Goku not reminded him about the tournament idea. I mean, the little eldritch horror apparently forgot all about the tournament, so it's entirely possible that wiping out low-performing universes was something he'd considered but might also have forgotten about. So Goku's still to blame for the tournament, but just how much he's to blame for the coming universes' destruction is open to debate.

And yeah, from a story-management perspective, finding an excuse to trim down the number of universes involved is just a good idea. I mean, with teams of ten fighters per universe and twelve universes, that would have been a tournament roster of over 100 characters. Actually creating that many and making them all interesting enough to hold viewer interest in that many fights would have been prohibitive. With four universes trimmed from the roster, that knocks 40 fighters off the list. Assuming the universes are matched up like a regular tournament bracket, the action will be starting already at the quarter-final match.

Also.... iiiiinteresting that Whis and Vados and their ilk are apparently safe from universal annihilation. If the attendants to the various Gods of Destruction are allowed to remain, I wonder if that means universes are also created and that any angel not assigned to a currently-existing universe can be assigned to a new-made one. ... granted, we have no indication at this point if Zen-Oh can create as well as destroy universes.

And, typical shonen series move. "BTW, you guys are the underdogs going into this, lawl, have fun with that!" The magic words to kick the heroes in their collective pants to go and take levels in badass and pull out all the stops.

EDIT TO ADD:

Also! Aside from trimming the roster for the Universe Survival arc, holding those four universes exempt from the tournament because they're so high-performing leaves them available for use in a later story arc. "Always bigger fish" in full effect. The universe that wins the tournament isn't the strongest in the multiverse, it's just the best out of the under-performers. Leaves room for the series to continue after this arc is over with.

It seemed like Goku actually managed to luck out on this one. Seemed like Zeno was gonna wipe out the crappy universes anyways. If anything, he probably saved at least one or two. My question is... Given how Zeno was planning on doing things. That means universe 9 will likely kick the bucket. Unless there's some sort of tie. Also, it also seems that the Kais are supposed to get off their butts and maybe guide the life they made instead of just letting it grow on its own, if Beerus's terrified rants are any indication.

Honestly, there was some foreshadowing that the other universes were stronger. Zamasu being as strong as he was for a Kai, completely outclassing U7's Supreme Kai according to Goku.

And the reactions when it was revealed that the angels will be spared were hilarious. It also makes sense. Angels are offspring of the Grand Priest. Replacing them is probably extremely difficult. GP has to get his waifu pregnant, they have to wait for the angel to be born, grow up, train him, probably a bunch of other stuff and assign him. Hard to say if it's GP really caring for his children, or he's a legit sociopath and the angels are simply too valuable to destroy.

Also gives us a potential out to the coming mass-slaughter that DOENS'T involve the super dragonballs or taking Zen-Oh out. Assuming that the destruction of universes will take place AFTER the conclusion of the tournament and not during the tournament, if these under-performing universes put on a good enough show, it could led to Zen-Oh changing his mind and deciding that maybe there's more to deciding a universe's value than the average power level of the inhabitants. Ep 80 certainly dropped hints in that direction with Zen-Oh's apparent surprise at how exciting the exhibition match was despite it being the two lowest-rated universes participating.

[Mundeo]

It seemed like Goku actually managed to luck out on this one. Seemed like Zeno was gonna wipe out the crappy universes anyways. If anything, he probably saved at least one or two. My question is... Given how Zeno was planning on doing things. That means universe 9 will likely kick the bucket. Unless there's some sort of tie. Also, it also seems that the Kais are supposed to get off their butts and maybe guide the life they made instead of just letting it grow on its own, if Beerus's terrified rants are any indication.

Honestly, there was some foreshadowing that the other universes were stronger. Zamasu being as strong as he was for a Kai, completely outclassing U7's Supreme Kai according to Goku.

And the reactions when it was revealed that the angels will be spared were hilarious. It also makes sense. Angels are offspring of the Grand Priest. Replacing them is probably extremely difficult. GP has to get his waifu pregnant, they have to wait for the angel to be born, grow up, train him, probably a bunch of other stuff and assign him. Hard to say if it's GP really caring for his children, or he's a legit sociopath and the angels are simply too valuable to destroy.

Also gives us a potential out to the coming mass-slaughter that DOENS'T involve the super dragonballs or taking Zen-Oh out. Assuming that the destruction of universes will take place AFTER the conclusion of the tournament and not during the tournament, if these under-performing universes put on a good enough show, it could led to Zen-Oh changing his mind and deciding that maybe there's more to deciding a universe's value than the average power level of the inhabitants. Ep 80 certainly dropped hints in that direction with Zen-Oh's apparent surprise at how exciting the exhibition match was despite it being the two lowest-rated universes participating.

Even so, Zen-Oh destroying at least one universe (probably universe 9) is probably going to happen to raise the stakes just a bit. Who knows, maybe it'll be universe 6 that bites the dust.

Also, this may be a common opinion by now, but who else is extremely suspicious of the Grand Priest? The fact that the angels are the only ones to survive certainly makes the GP seem, well... suspicious.

[The Republic of Atria]

It seemed like Goku actually managed to luck out on this one. Seemed like Zeno was gonna wipe out the crappy universes anyways. If anything, he probably saved at least one or two. My question is... Given how Zeno was planning on doing things. That means universe 9 will likely kick the bucket. Unless there's some sort of tie. Also, it also seems that the Kais are supposed to get off their butts and maybe guide the life they made instead of just letting it grow on its own, if Beerus's terrified rants are any indication.

Honestly, there was some foreshadowing that the other universes were stronger. Zamasu being as strong as he was for a Kai, completely outclassing U7's Supreme Kai according to Goku.

And the reactions when it was revealed that the angels will be spared were hilarious. It also makes sense. Angels are offspring of the Grand Priest. Replacing them is probably extremely difficult. GP has to get his waifu pregnant, they have to wait for the angel to be born, grow up, train him, probably a bunch of other stuff and assign him. Hard to say if it's GP really caring for his children, or he's a legit sociopath and the angels are simply too valuable to destroy.

Also gives us a potential out to the coming mass-slaughter that DOENS'T involve the super dragonballs or taking Zen-Oh out. Assuming that the destruction of universes will take place AFTER the conclusion of the tournament and not during the tournament, if these under-performing universes put on a good enough show, it could led to Zen-Oh changing his mind and deciding that maybe there's more to deciding a universe's value than the average power level of the inhabitants. Ep 80 certainly dropped hints in that direction with Zen-Oh's apparent surprise at how exciting the exhibition match was despite it being the two lowest-rated universes participating.

That's the same theory that I had. Zeno is like an excited 6 year old. Always indecisive and prone to changing his mind on a whim. My previous theory of Zeno just screwing with everyone seems to be shut down. Assuming he saves nuking the universes till then end of the Arc chances are they'll all be spared.

On the flip side. There's no doubt that he would actually do it. And if he did, it would certainly make for some serious tension. My guess is that maybe one universe will get wiped, for the sake of there being tension, but the rest of the universes will make it out. At least that's my new working theory. Bonus points if the universe that gets wiped is filled with nothing but rat bastards so that we don't feel too awful about it.

One final thing. GP said that U7 is the second weakest. But what about U6? If the previous tourney was any indication, the only seriously threatening fighter in that one is Hit. Everyone else got casually beat down despite Champa's attempts at cheating.

[Reploid Productions]

Also gives us a potential out to the coming mass-slaughter that DOENS'T involve the super dragonballs or taking Zen-Oh out. Assuming that the destruction of universes will take place AFTER the conclusion of the tournament and not during the tournament, if these under-performing universes put on a good enough show, it could led to Zen-Oh changing his mind and deciding that maybe there's more to deciding a universe's value than the average power level of the inhabitants. Ep 80 certainly dropped hints in that direction with Zen-Oh's apparent surprise at how exciting the exhibition match was despite it being the two lowest-rated universes participating.

Even so, Zen-Oh destroying at least one universe (probably universe 9) is probably going to happen to raise the stakes just a bit. Who knows, maybe it'll be universe 6 that bites the dust.

Also, this may be a common opinion by now, but who else is extremely suspicious of the Grand Priest? The fact that the angels are the only ones to survive certainly makes the GP seem, well... suspicious.

Oh ye gads yes. I mean, it could simply be that we just haven't seen enough of him to get to really know anything about him. I mean, look at how much we've seen of Whis and how little we truly understand his goals and motivations. I get the feeling the goofy foodie routine is a very convincing facade that he could and would drop if a situation gets to where he actually has to stop goofing off.

I definitely get some serious 'power behind the throne' vibes off the Grand Priest though. Zen-Oh being so innocent would mean he would not be very difficult to influence or steer via suggestion. Look at how easily Goku got him to destroy fused Zamasu- all he had to do was page the little guy and basically go "Look at that, isn't that ugly?" and Zen-Oh was all "Ew!" and wasted the entire timeline. Likewise, it didn't really take much for Goku to get him to put on the tournament either. Imagine what someone with more cunning and manipulative skills than our Idiot Protagonist possesses could do with Zen-Oh.

[The Republic of Atria]

Even so, Zen-Oh destroying at least one universe (probably universe 9) is probably going to happen to raise the stakes just a bit. Who knows, maybe it'll be universe 6 that bites the dust.

Also, this may be a common opinion by now, but who else is extremely suspicious of the Grand Priest? The fact that the angels are the only ones to survive certainly makes the GP seem, well... suspicious.

Oh ye gads yes. I mean, it could simply be that we just haven't seen enough of him to get to really know anything about him. I mean, look at how much we've seen of Whis and how little we truly understand his goals and motivations. I get the feeling the goofy foodie routine is a very convincing facade that he could and would drop if a situation gets to where he actually has to stop goofing off.

I definitely get some serious 'power behind the throne' vibes off the Grand Priest though. Zen-Oh being so innocent would mean he would not be very difficult to influence or steer via suggestion. Look at how easily Goku got him to destroy fused Zamasu- all he had to do was page the little guy and basically go "Look at that, isn't that ugly?" and Zen-Oh was all "Ew!" and wasted the entire timeline. Likewise, it didn't really take much for Goku to get him to put on the tournament either. Imagine what someone with more cunning and manipulative skills than our Idiot Protagonist possesses could do with Zen-Oh.

Yeah. GP seems a bit sketchy. But as Mund was saying about the Angels being the only thing spared, I presented my theory above. With the Angels being either too expensive/time consuming to replace whereas it seems they can just grab some random schmuck for a GoD and give him god power and let things sort themselves out. That and the Angels are the offspring of the GP so it also means that he actually is just trying to save his own skin/species. Or he really cares about his kids.

[Reploid Productions]

Oh ye gads yes. I mean, it could simply be that we just haven't seen enough of him to get to really know anything about him. I mean, look at how much we've seen of Whis and how little we truly understand his goals and motivations. I get the feeling the goofy foodie routine is a very convincing facade that he could and would drop if a situation gets to where he actually has to stop goofing off.

I definitely get some serious 'power behind the throne' vibes off the Grand Priest though. Zen-Oh being so innocent would mean he would not be very difficult to influence or steer via suggestion. Look at how easily Goku got him to destroy fused Zamasu- all he had to do was page the little guy and basically go "Look at that, isn't that ugly?" and Zen-Oh was all "Ew!" and wasted the entire timeline. Likewise, it didn't really take much for Goku to get him to put on the tournament either. Imagine what someone with more cunning and manipulative skills than our Idiot Protagonist possesses could do with Zen-Oh.

Yeah. GP seems a bit sketchy. But as Mund was saying about the Angels being the only thing spared, I presented my theory above. With the Angels being either too expensive/time consuming to replace whereas it seems they can just grab some random schmuck for a GoD and give him god power and let things sort themselves out. That and the Angels are the offspring of the GP so it also means that he actually is just trying to save his own skin/species. Or he really cares about his kids.

'Course... we don't even know how the angels reproduce, or even if they actually do, at least in anything remotely resembling any form of typical humanoid reproduction. Do they even actually have sexes? That Whis seems to appear/identify masculine and Vados feminine may not really mean much, especially if they simply do so to make their charges more comfortable having them around. Heck, we don't even really know if the GP is actually 'father' to the rest, or if they all happened to come into existence at the same time and ordered themselves according to power or who came first...

Basically, we're dealing with a set of utterly alien beings with a blue-and-orange morality that are potentially entirely beyond our comprehension and it might not be a good idea to hang too much on assumptions. Especially since we haven't seen any indication that the GP has a waifu of any sort thus far. Gah, I really hate huge gaping holes and not KNOWING important information! We can speculate all we want here, but we have so little info to go on!

[The Republic of Atria]

Yeah. GP seems a bit sketchy. But as Mund was saying about the Angels being the only thing spared, I presented my theory above. With the Angels being either too expensive/time consuming to replace whereas it seems they can just grab some random schmuck for a GoD and give him god power and let things sort themselves out. That and the Angels are the offspring of the GP so it also means that he actually is just trying to save his own skin/species. Or he really cares about his kids.

'Course... we don't even know how the angels reproduce, or even if they actually do, at least in anything remotely resembling any form of typical humanoid reproduction. Do they even actually have sexes? That Whis seems to appear/identify masculine and Vados feminine may not really mean much, especially if they simply do so to make their charges more comfortable having them around. Heck, we don't even really know if the GP is actually 'father' to the rest, or if they all happened to come into existence at the same time and ordered themselves according to power or who came first...

Basically, we're dealing with a set of utterly alien beings with a blue-and-orange morality that are potentially entirely beyond our comprehension and it might not be a good idea to hang too much on assumptions. Especially since we haven't seen any indication that the GP has a waifu of any sort thus far. Gah, I really hate huge gaping holes and not KNOWING important information! We can speculate all we want here, but we have so little info to go on!

I know it was confirmed that when Whis called the GP father, it was meaning it was his biological father, so they definitely reproduce. And given that Vados is definitely female cause boobs. In fact as far as I can tell, all of the female angels have breasts. That being said, the Angels def operate on Blue and Orange morality, but that could likely be due to conditioning. And the fact that they really weren't all that bothered by the fact that Zeno wiping out people who are implied to be their friends. Instead Whis freaking laughed. They may be actual sociopaths/psychopaths.

I think it was implied that Whis may be gay though. He seemed pretty into it when he caught Beerus nude.