Dragon Ball Discussion Thread - WAIFU WARS: THE DBZ FRONT

[Finland SSR]

New poll.

Needs to allow for peeps to vote for multiple options. There's like two options I could pick and I can't decide which one to pick.

Fine, but only for you, because insulting you of all people wouldn't be healthy. And you're nice I guess

[Reploid Productions]

Needs to allow for peeps to vote for multiple options. There's like two options I could pick and I can't decide which one to pick.

Fine, but only for you, because insulting you of all people wouldn't be healthy. And you're nice I guess

Thanks! Combination of nostalgia and genuinely enjoying the show. It isn't perfect by any stretch, but honestly, neither was Z. Basically, I'm having fun watching it. Is it some great piece of cinematic storytelling? Hardly. But damn if it isn't fun in spite of its flaws. ^_^

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

cool theory I heard somewhere

what if the future Zeno is actually Zamasu?

sounds kinda crazy right? but think about it... Zamasu was becoming one with the universe, he had attained some incorporeal transcendent form, who's to say he could not have taken over the Omniking's body in doing so? notice a few things, when Zeno appears the Zamasu faces in the sky keep on laughing, with no concern about Zeno. and then when Zeno wipes out the multiverse, he says "a world like this must disappear." that kinda sounds like something Zamasu would say doesn't it?

couple this with the very bizarre and abrupt ending we saw to that arc, and the fact that they specifically bring Future Zeno to the present. seems like an odd decision that wouldn't have much plot significance on its own. then lets fast forward to the new arc, in the new opening one of the Zenos is blue and the other is red, implying symbolically that one is good and one is evil... and when they cross over each other, for just a moment they are green. why would they be green?

and now for some actual behavioural stuff, in the first episode of the new arc we see the Future Zeno behaving oddly, for no apparent reason he seems to keep trying to imitate the other Zeno, when the other Zeno raises his hand the future one sort of mimics this after accidentally doing something different. this is weird, it's not comedic in nature, and every thing they choose to animate has to have some sort of reason for it right?

then there's the universal destruction rule. what if that rule is really Zamasu in Zeno's body continuing with the Zero Mortals Plan?

while I'm not entirely convinced of this theory yet, if they ever show the future Zeno insisting on the destruction rule that would be very suspicious...

theory courtesy of Geeklist TV on YouTube.

It's certainly possible. Or at least that Zamasu managed to corrupt or otherwise influence future Zen-Oh before he was wiped entirely from existence. Way too early to say for sure at this point- it could also be that it was a throwaway gag to resolve the whole "Goku promised to bring present Zen-Oh another friend to play with" from way back at the beginning of the arc, too. Same with the mimicry- it could be foreshadowing of something more sinister, or it could be a throwaway gag as well.

I think a lot of it really comes down to Zen-Oh just being so alien an entity that it really defies comprehension. The little guy is effectively the most adorable eldritch horror ever, with little understanding and no empathy whatsoever for the lives of mere mortals, or even the various deities that answer to him given his already-known destruction of multiple universes apparently on a lark, and casually using entire planets as galactic marbles when Goku arrived to ask about the tournament. I doubt he has any real concept of friendship, and views Goku as little more than a particularly amusing toy... and like any sociopathic, incomprehensible child, toys get broken.

yeah it could all be nothing and I'm fairly certain it is... but I hope the theory is true because Zamasu is awesome and I really do hope he comes back. it'd be the first time a villain came back that wasn't totally contrived or unoriginal, and it would kind of show Zamasu is the greatest villain of the series, the only one who can transcend arcs as the main villain.

Zamasu is my favourite villain ever in DB, I even did this fanart of him



and the theory kind of makes me want to draw some cool new ultimate Omniking Zamasu

[Narintia]

i watch super because i finished elfen lied already

[Reploid Productions]

It's certainly possible. Or at least that Zamasu managed to corrupt or otherwise influence future Zen-Oh before he was wiped entirely from existence. Way too early to say for sure at this point- it could also be that it was a throwaway gag to resolve the whole "Goku promised to bring present Zen-Oh another friend to play with" from way back at the beginning of the arc, too. Same with the mimicry- it could be foreshadowing of something more sinister, or it could be a throwaway gag as well.

I think a lot of it really comes down to Zen-Oh just being so alien an entity that it really defies comprehension. The little guy is effectively the most adorable eldritch horror ever, with little understanding and no empathy whatsoever for the lives of mere mortals, or even the various deities that answer to him given his already-known destruction of multiple universes apparently on a lark, and casually using entire planets as galactic marbles when Goku arrived to ask about the tournament. I doubt he has any real concept of friendship, and views Goku as little more than a particularly amusing toy... and like any sociopathic, incomprehensible child, toys get broken.

yeah it could all be nothing and I'm fairly certain it is... but I hope the theory is true because Zamasu is awesome and I really do hope he comes back. it'd be the first time a villain came back that wasn't totally contrived or unoriginal, and it would kind of show Zamasu is the greatest villain of the series, the only one who can transcend arcs as the main villain.

Zamasu is my favourite villain ever in DB, I even did this fanart of him



and the theory kind of makes me want to draw some cool new ultimate Omniking Zamasu

Eh... Zamasu himself was functional as an antagonist, but I'm not sure I'd call him an especially good or even interesting villain. There weren't really any surprises with Zamasu himself- his motivations, behaviors, and god complex are all painfully cliche from the moment you first hear him agonizing over why the mortals are so uncivilized and all that. From the minute you first see him, the suspense and surprise are basically gone- the viewer knows he's going to turn full blown black-and-white moral extremist and go for the "peace is achieved by killing the impure/unworthy/etcetc" routine. And making him immortal, while providing an interesting challenge, did back the storytelling into a bit of a corner in regards to "Well, how are the heroes supposed to overcome this?" and it shows in the final couple of episodes of the arc.

Black, on the other hand, was an amazing villain. The mystery about who he is, what he is, and why he's doing what he's doing kept him intriguing and interesting. The fact he first appears in the future timeline, the timeline where Goku's been dead for north of 20 years was a huge boost to the whole "OMG WTF IS THIS GUY?!" It couldn't REALLY be a Goku-turned-evil, because we know in that timeline Goku's been dead for years. At that point, we don't know about the time rings, or about Zamasu. All we have to go on is this eloquently-spoken guy calling himself Goku has shown up and is hellbent on genociding humanity for reasons not entirely clear. Even after Zamasu has revealed himself and we find out what the deal is with who/what Black really is, he's still the vastly more interesting of the two, thanks in no small part to the subtle differences between the two and how they behave. Zamasu remains cliche, but with Black, we've got some full-blown "The Mind is a Plaything of the Body" in play thanks to his stolen body and the behavioral predispositions hardwired into Saiyajin genetics.

Awesome fanart, BTW! He really does have an interesting design, I gotta admit. I have approximately zero talent when it comes to drawing. Writing, on the other hand... *eyeballs that fancharacter backstory "drabble" she's mentioned before*

[Gurori]

i still cant draw dbz characters or anything related to anime, how sad.

[Britanania]

Screw you Fin

[Finland SSR]

Screw you Fin

Special people require special treatment.

[Gurori]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhX-iYM_XMY

[New Rnclave]

Screw you Fin

Brit doesn't watch anything post-Freiza

[Britanania]

Screw you Fin

Brit doesn't watch anything post-Freiza

At least not willingly

[New Rnclave]

Brit doesn't watch anything post-Freiza

At least not willingly

I honestly don't mind Super Saiyan III as a total, I just wish they hadn't introduced it so soon after making Ascended Saiyan seem important.

[Britanania]

At least not willingly

I honestly don't mind Super Saiyan III as a total, I just wish they hadn't introduced it so soon after making Ascended Saiyan seem important.

It just comes out nowhere, that is comes off as a little offensive.

[New Rnclave]

I honestly don't mind Super Saiyan III as a total, I just wish they hadn't introduced it so soon after making Ascended Saiyan seem important.

It just comes out nowhere, that is comes off as a little offensive.

I feel it would've been better if they made it like Goku-only, like it was some technique he invented in Otherworld instead of an actual continuation of Super Saiyan.

[The Republic of Atria]

It just comes out nowhere, that is comes off as a little offensive.

I feel it would've been better if they made it like Goku-only, like it was some technique he invented in Otherworld instead of an actual continuation of Super Saiyan.

I mean. It's basically power weighting made good. Ish.

Massive power boost. But instead of it hurting speed, it costs a fudgeload of stamina and energy.

It's basically a technique since Gotenks was able to replicate it after seeing it.

[Britanania]

I feel it would've been better if they made it like Goku-only, like it was some technique he invented in Otherworld instead of an actual continuation of Super Saiyan.

I mean. It's basically power weighting made good. Ish.

Massive power boost. But instead of it hurting speed, it costs a fudgeload of stamina and energy.

It's basically a technique since Gotenks was able to replicate it after seeing it.

Gotenks is all levels of bullshit in general.

[New Rnclave]

I feel it would've been better if they made it like Goku-only, like it was some technique he invented in Otherworld instead of an actual continuation of Super Saiyan.

I mean. It's basically power weighting made good. Ish.

Massive power boost. But instead of it hurting speed, it costs a fudgeload of stamina and energy.

It's basically a technique since Gotenks was able to replicate it after seeing it.

True, but I think Gotenks might've been cooler as a SSj2

[The Republic of Atria]

I mean. It's basically power weighting made good. Ish.

Massive power boost. But instead of it hurting speed, it costs a fudgeload of stamina and energy.

It's basically a technique since Gotenks was able to replicate it after seeing it.

True, but I think Gotenks might've been cooler as a SSj2

I'm pretty meh on SSJ2. Ssj3 is dope AF.

[New Rnclave]

True, but I think Gotenks might've been cooler as a SSj2

I'm pretty meh on SSJ2. Ssj3 is dope AF.

SSj3 could have honestly been Goku's alternative to Ascended Saiyan.

[The Republic of Atria]

I'm pretty meh on SSJ2. Ssj3 is dope AF.

SSj3 could have honestly been Goku's alternative to Ascended Saiyan.

If SSJ2 had some better way of identifying it beyond a tiny bit of easy to miss lightning, I'd probably like it more. SSJ3 has lots and is.honestly my favorite transformation in the franchise.

[New Rnclave]

SSj3 could have honestly been Goku's alternative to Ascended Saiyan.

If SSJ2 had some better way of identifying it beyond a tiny bit of easy to miss lightning, I'd probably like it more. SSJ3 has lots and is.honestly my favorite transformation in the franchise.

Ascended Saiyan didn't have a lot beyond the tiny appearance change and multiplier. There's really no substance to it, beyond it being the manifestation of Gohan's hidden potential.

It's so underused the animators confuse it and Super Saiyan all the time in Super.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

yeah it could all be nothing and I'm fairly certain it is... but I hope the theory is true because Zamasu is awesome and I really do hope he comes back. it'd be the first time a villain came back that wasn't totally contrived or unoriginal, and it would kind of show Zamasu is the greatest villain of the series, the only one who can transcend arcs as the main villain.

Zamasu is my favourite villain ever in DB, I even did this fanart of him



and the theory kind of makes me want to draw some cool new ultimate Omniking Zamasu

Eh... Zamasu himself was functional as an antagonist, but I'm not sure I'd call him an especially good or even interesting villain. There weren't really any surprises with Zamasu himself- his motivations, behaviors, and god complex are all painfully cliche from the moment you first hear him agonizing over why the mortals are so uncivilized and all that. From the minute you first see him, the suspense and surprise are basically gone- the viewer knows he's going to turn full blown black-and-white moral extremist and go for the "peace is achieved by killing the impure/unworthy/etcetc" routine. And making him immortal, while providing an interesting challenge, did back the storytelling into a bit of a corner in regards to "Well, how are the heroes supposed to overcome this?" and it shows in the final couple of episodes of the arc.

Black, on the other hand, was an amazing villain. The mystery about who he is, what he is, and why he's doing what he's doing kept him intriguing and interesting. The fact he first appears in the future timeline, the timeline where Goku's been dead for north of 20 years was a huge boost to the whole "OMG WTF IS THIS GUY?!" It couldn't REALLY be a Goku-turned-evil, because we know in that timeline Goku's been dead for years. At that point, we don't know about the time rings, or about Zamasu. All we have to go on is this eloquently-spoken guy calling himself Goku has shown up and is hellbent on genociding humanity for reasons not entirely clear. Even after Zamasu has revealed himself and we find out what the deal is with who/what Black really is, he's still the vastly more interesting of the two, thanks in no small part to the subtle differences between the two and how they behave. Zamasu remains cliche, but with Black, we've got some full-blown "The Mind is a Plaything of the Body" in play thanks to his stolen body and the behavioral predispositions hardwired into Saiyajin genetics.

Awesome fanart, BTW! He really does have an interesting design, I gotta admit. I have approximately zero talent when it comes to drawing. Writing, on the other hand... *eyeballs that fancharacter backstory "drabble" she's mentioned before*

thanks!

personally he was my favourite overall, specifically merged Zamasu. I loved his attitude, and just the fact that he actually had a motivation beyond being an evil dude.

when it comes to Black and Future Zamasu, Black is definitely the better character there. but in my opinion Merged Zamasu is leagues better than either of them, just by pure cool factor. his lines and attitude were just so magnificent. and his voice acting was phenomenal, and that halo is like daaamn.

[Gurori]

that female saiyan's name better be a cauliflower pun





get it? since she's a lssj and since cauliflower is similar to broccoli.

[New Rnclave]

that female saiyan's name better be a cauliflower pun





get it? since she's a lssj and since cauliflower is similar to broccoli.

I sincerely doubt Toei would be clever enough to do that.

[Narintia]

that female saiyan's name better be a cauliflower pun





get it? since she's a lssj and since cauliflower is similar to broccoli.

Excuse me?
How could you ever compare such a disgusting thing as broccoli to cauliflower?
I shan't! *slams keyboard onto desk*