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Postby Cadonica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:38 am

Cadonica wrote:All bands are relevant

Yes, I'm referring to Party Cannon.

Holy fuck that band is awesome :lol:
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:49 am

Thrashing Is Our Business...
but but BENEATH THE REMAINS would make a better title!!!
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:53 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:So i figure i'd do a St. Anger Review
Initial rating: D-

So as seen above i went in with very low expectations and was very much expecting auditory suicide. After spending a day listening to the album i have come to hear that this album is actually less than decent but better than bad. St. Anger demonstrates James Hetfield's and to a much lesser extent Kirk Hammet's rhythm skills, and I will go as far to say that this album demonstrates some of Metallica's best guitar work. The bass in incredibly underrated and i think that people need to get off their Newstead and Burton higher than fucking god horses and appreciate how above average Bob Rock's bass playing is on this album (Granted James wrote everything). The worst part of this album is the drumming. Lars Ulrich should be arrested for his annoying setup nuff said. Now onto the second worst part of the album: The song length the shortest song is 5:14 holy fucking shit everything goes on for too long if the average song length was 4:30 maximum it would be tolerable but it goes on for so long it's annoying. James' vocals aren't completely terrible and have their good moments but overall they seem immature and annoying especially the pronunciation of vowels for fucks sake James you're not Canadian you're from the Bay Area. It's like he took the worst vocals from load and reload especially Memory Remains and decided this was a smart idea to dedicate an album to the horrible pronunciation of vowels. I can enjoy the vocals to an extent.

Pros: Guitars, some vocals, BASS, and no Kirk
Cons: Most vocals, Lars, and song length

Overall ranking: C-

Final thoughts: Time to listen to Lulu

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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:18 am

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But- but what is it? :blink:

It's basically a bunch of piss babies obsessed with being as obscure anti-christian, low-fi and original as possible even though that means they rip of darkthrone and fail to rip off Mayhem whereas they bash Immortal for not being trve obscure Norwegian metal and by fusing thrash and melodeath into their albums


So... elitists of the worst kind?

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Impaled Nazarene wrote:So i figure i'd do a St. Anger Review
Initial rating: D-

So as seen above i went in with very low expectations and was very much expecting auditory suicide. After spending a day listening to the album i have come to hear that this album is actually less than decent but better than bad. St. Anger demonstrates James Hetfield's and to a much lesser extent Kirk Hammet's rhythm skills, and I will go as far to say that this album demonstrates some of Metallica's best guitar work. The bass in incredibly underrated and i think that people need to get off their Newstead and Burton higher than fucking god horses and appreciate how above average Bob Rock's bass playing is on this album (Granted James wrote everything). The worst part of this album is the drumming. Lars Ulrich should be arrested for his annoying setup nuff said. Now onto the second worst part of the album: The song length the shortest song is 5:14 holy fucking shit everything goes on for too long if the average song length was 4:30 maximum it would be tolerable but it goes on for so long it's annoying. James' vocals aren't completely terrible and have their good moments but overall they seem immature and annoying especially the pronunciation of vowels for fucks sake James you're not Canadian you're from the Bay Area. It's like he took the worst vocals from load and reload especially Memory Remains and decided this was a smart idea to dedicate an album to the horrible pronunciation of vowels. I can enjoy the vocals to an extent.

Pros: Guitars, some vocals, BASS, and no Kirk
Cons: Most vocals, Lars, and song length

Overall ranking: C-

Final thoughts: Time to listen to Lulu

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I do.

First of all, why are you rating it like my math homework?

But seriously.

The guitar work isn't anything exceptional, if you ask me. In fact, all instruments and vocals were pretty mediocre. Now, by themselves they wouldn't be as bad (except vocals, which are atrocious), but combined? The result is astoundingly awful.

Overwhelming majority of the vocals were terrible, the guitars were pretty mediocre with the bass being somewhat better. The song length also made it worse, as it took these terrible songs and dragged them on for longer than they should have.

St. Anger is an incredibly bad album, to be frank. Not worth a second listen, if you ask me. There isn't anything about it that I could see attracting repeat listeners to. As I've said before, Purify was the worst song on the album, while Sweet Amber was the one song on it that wasn't bad but wasn't necessarily good either. St. Anger, compared to the other albums, is amazingly disappointing, even compared to the rather mediocre album that was Load.
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Postby The republic of Kosh Naranek » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:32 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Thrashing Is Our Business...
but but BENEATH THE REMAINS would make a better title!!!

Beneath the remains WE SHALL ARISE TO CHAOS AD.
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Postby Cadonica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:37 am

The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Thrashing Is Our Business...
but but BENEATH THE REMAINS would make a better title!!!

Beneath the remains WE SHALL ARISE TO CHAOS AD.

Chaos A.D is a horrible album. Bad thing: I own it. Good thing: I got it for 1€ at flea market :p
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Postby The republic of Kosh Naranek » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:39 am

Cadonica wrote:
The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:Beneath the remains WE SHALL ARISE TO CHAOS AD.

Chaos A.D is a horrible album. Bad thing: I own it. Good thing: I got it for 1€ at flea market :p

Chaos A.D is in my opinion an OK album, not horrible, but alright.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:44 am

The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:
Cadonica wrote:Chaos A.D is a horrible album. Bad thing: I own it. Good thing: I got it for 1€ at flea market :p

Chaos A.D is in my opinion an OK album, not horrible, but alright.

Man, it's been a while since I last listened to that album. Always liked it myself, it has quite a few solid tracks.
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Postby Kiaculta » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:48 am

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The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:Chaos A.D is in my opinion an OK album, not horrible, but alright.

Man, it's been a while since I last listened to that album. Always liked it myself, it has quite a few solid tracks.


I think it's slightly underrated. Like a 7/10. Then again I kind of like Roots too.

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Cadonica wrote:This makes me moist.

In other words, that came in today. I also got Gallowbraid's Ashen Eidolon and Revelation's Salvation Answer today.

The only con in that Slayer box is that there's no cover for the vinyl, except that box.


Ugh, Slayer is so overrated. Even more than Metallica.

Still, that does look kind of cool.


Wait, you're actually saying Metallica is overrated now?

This is a serious question.
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Postby Cadonica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:49 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:Chaos A.D is in my opinion an OK album, not horrible, but alright.

Man, it's been a while since I last listened to that album. Always liked it myself, it has quite a few solid tracks.

That is true. However, the not-so-solid tracks drag it down for me. I always really liked Territory and Biotech Is Godzilla.

I admit, horrible might've been a bit of an exaggeration on my part. It's just nowhere near as good as Beneath the Remains :p
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:49 am

Chaos AD is good, but Beneath the Remains might be perfect.

Roots is a solid album that practically redefined metal in the 90s/early 2000s.
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Postby The republic of Kosh Naranek » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:50 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Chaos AD is good, but Beneath the Remains might be perfect.

Roots is a solid album that practically redefined metal in the 90s/early 2000s.

What about Arise?
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:51 am

What are you guys talking about?

Kiaculta wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Man, it's been a while since I last listened to that album. Always liked it myself, it has quite a few solid tracks.


I think it's slightly underrated. Like a 7/10. Then again I kind of like Roots too.

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Ugh, Slayer is so overrated. Even more than Metallica.

Still, that does look kind of cool.


Wait, you're actually saying Metallica is overrated now?

This is a serious question.


I never disputed that Metallica was overrated, they most definitely are overrated.

But so is just about every popular artist that has ever existed.

Overrated doesn't mean bad, it just means people jerk off to them way too much.
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Postby Kiaculta » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:52 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Chaos AD is good, but Beneath the Remains might be perfect.

Roots is a solid album that practically redefined metal in the 90s/early 2000s.


If you can call it a nu-metal album, I call it one of the better releases of that scene.
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Postby Kiaculta » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:54 am

Kar-Esseria wrote:What are you guys talking about?

Kiaculta wrote:
I think it's slightly underrated. Like a 7/10. Then again I kind of like Roots too.



Wait, you're actually saying Metallica is overrated now?

This is a serious question.


I never disputed that Metallica was overrated, they most definitely are overrated.

But so is just about every popular artist that has ever existed.

Overrated doesn't mean bad, it just means people jerk off to them way too much.


That's a close minded way of thinking. A band is overrated by being popular? Some bands deserve that popularity. Iron Maiden ahem?

I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:56 am

The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Chaos AD is good, but Beneath the Remains might be perfect.

Roots is a solid album that practically redefined metal in the 90s/early 2000s.

What about Arise?

First cd of Sepultura I ever got my hands on. A death/thrash classic, that one.

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Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Chaos AD is good, but Beneath the Remains might be perfect.

Roots is a solid album that practically redefined metal in the 90s/early 2000s.

If you can call it a nu-metal album, I call it one of the better releases of that scene.

Well, there are a few Korn influences on Roots. Mind you, 'nu metal' should be considered to be a marketing term instead of a proper description of a musical genre. Many bands branded as such would have been called crossover in the eighties.
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Postby Kiaculta » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:57 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:What about Arise?

First cd of Sepultura I ever got my hands on. A death/thrash classic, that one.

Kiaculta wrote:If you can call it a nu-metal album, I call it one of the better releases of that scene.

Well, there are a few Korn influences on Roots. Mind you, 'nu metal' should be considered to be a marketing term instead of a proper description of a musical genre. Many bands branded as such would have been called crossover in the eighties.


Fair enough. I called it a scene rather than a genre anyway.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:59 am

Cadonica wrote:
Corrian wrote:The Manowar I heard just seemed like dull cheese metal.

That's because they ARE one of those bands :p

Gag

Kiaculta wrote:I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.

Sounds like Iron Maiden :P

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Postby The republic of Kosh Naranek » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:04 am

Kiaculta wrote:I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.

Sounds like Iron Maiden :P

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Postby Kar-Esseria » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:05 am

Kiaculta wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:What are you guys talking about?



I never disputed that Metallica was overrated, they most definitely are overrated.

But so is just about every popular artist that has ever existed.

Overrated doesn't mean bad, it just means people jerk off to them way too much.


That's a close minded way of thinking. A band is overrated by being popular? Some bands deserve that popularity. Iron Maiden ahem?

I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.


Close, but no banana.

Overrated means they're not as great as many would claim. I don't claim Metallica is "OMG THE GREATEST FUCKING THRASH BAND EVER THEY'RE METAL GODS!!!!!!" or anything like that. That's a fanboy comment on YouTube. I recognize the importance of Metallica in metal, and how good a band they are when they aren't making garbage like St. Anger or mediocrity like Load.

IMO, I actually think Iron Maiden is better and severely underplayed on the radio.
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Postby Cadonica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:05 am

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Postby Kiaculta » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:05 am

The republic of Kosh Naranek wrote:
Kiaculta wrote:I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.

Sounds like Iron Maiden :P

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Reason being? :evil:[/quote]

^ I'm interested in knowing.
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Postby Kiaculta » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:06 am

Kar-Esseria wrote:
Kiaculta wrote:
That's a close minded way of thinking. A band is overrated by being popular? Some bands deserve that popularity. Iron Maiden ahem?

I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.


Close, but no banana.

Overrated means they're not as great as many would claim. I don't claim Metallica is "OMG THE GREATEST FUCKING THRASH BAND EVER THEY'RE METAL GODS!!!!!!" or anything like that. That's a fanboy comment on YouTube. I recognize the importance of Metallica in metal, and how good a band they are when they aren't making garbage like St. Anger or mediocrity like Load.

IMO, I actually think Iron Maiden is better and severely underplayed on the radio.


Who gives a shit about the radio? That's not the only place to find music, nor is it worth crap anymore.
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Postby Cadonica » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:08 am

Kiaculta wrote:^ I'm interested in knowing.

Kiaculta wrote:I personally say an overrated band is a band that is usually hailed as very good but in my opinion isn't as good as people say. This has nothing to do with popularity.

You answered it by yourself already :p
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Postby Corrian » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:08 am

That was more of a joke, because that was pretty much how I personally saw Iron Maiden. Because I just can't get into them. They're probably not actually overrated. But they are to me.
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