Metal Thread 2: In Metal There Is No Law

[Kiaculta]

So Kar is in a financially difficult situation, he's only got one parent who has her hands full already, and he spends his days pretty much entirely on his computer? Normally I would say that's pretty brutal, but it's actually really sad. I'm done with blabbing about it here now, but Kar, I hope you come to your senses soon.

[Impaled Nazarene]

A while back you were all talking about Blind Guardian, and yet nobody bothered to recommend them to me.

I was missing out. Pandora fixed that. For shame on all you.

We did. You ignored us probably

[Kar-Esseria]

So Kar is in a financially difficult situation, he's only got one parent who has her hands full already, and he spends his days pretty much entirely on his computer? Normally I would say that's pretty brutal, but it's actually really sad. I'm done with blabbing about it here now, but Kar, I hope you come to your senses soon.

Just drop it Kia.

My hands are tied right and until they aren't there isn't anything I can do about it.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

How much do they cost roughly?

I'd try every amp you can afford, or at least as many of the big name ones as you can find. You might end up deciding a Mesa Mk. x or a Soldano or a Marshall JCM800 KFK or a 5150 or a Bad Cat or a Crate GX/Ampeg VH is the one you prefer over everything available. Then again, my perspective is largely informed by owning a modeller, I hardly ever use the models I bought it for, but managed to find several others I like way more.

ENGL: $750
H&K: $600

I don't have the kind of money to go out and buy a fantastic amp like the ones you're talking about. If I did I'd already have an ENGL Powerball or a Soldano SLO sitting in my room

Fair enough, I didn't realize those brands had amps in the reasonable price range. I'd still look for used examples of a few things if possible, just to give yourself as broad of idea of what's available. That Ampeg I mention is a solid state, but was used by dozens of major DM (and similar) bands including Suffocation, Pig Destroyer and Dying Fetus.

[NeuPolska]

ENGL: $750
H&K: $600

I don't have the kind of money to go out and buy a fantastic amp like the ones you're talking about. If I did I'd already have an ENGL Powerball or a Soldano SLO sitting in my room

Fair enough, I didn't realize those brands had amps in the reasonable price range. I'd still look for used examples of a few things if possible, just to give yourself as broad of idea of what's available. That Ampeg I mention is a solid state, but was used by dozens of major DM (and similar) bands including Suffocation, Pig Destroyer and Dying Fetus.

That Ampeg is also hard to find, it seems.

Anyway, price is probably going to be the main thing about which amp I buy. The ENGL is great but the cleans are debatable (might just be people on youtube using shitty settings), but the Tubemeister has great cleans and good distortion (just sounds weak), unless I were to stick a pedal in front of it. Even then, a good overdrive/distortion pedal is about $100-150, and buying the H&K would still be cheaper. The only thing really keeping me on the ENGL is the fact that it has balls.

[Kar-Esseria]

Cosumar

So people CAN spell my name!


But honestly, Kar has had so many recs thrown at him that I'm surprised he's listened to as many as he has.

Actually, I don't have enough recs thrown at me. @_@

The real reason is because I keep forgetting what I've been recommended... like right now.

[Cadonica]

Since you wanted recs and you had doom under "not heard but willing to try", I copy-paste my old doom recs post from earlier:

Traditional doom
Candlemass
Cold Mourning
KYPCK
Mourn
Penance
Reverend Bizarre
Saint Vitus
Scald
Solsitce
Stillborn

Funeral doom
Thergothon (drummer is nowadays a songwriter and producer of pop duo PMMP)
Skepticism
Elysian Blaze (with black metal influence)
Nortt (with black metal influence)
The Howling Void
Comatose Vigil

Additions: Electric Wizard's Dopethrone is essential stoner doom album.

[Kar-Esseria]

Since you wanted recs and you had doom under "not heard but willing to try", I copy-paste my old doom recs post from earlier:

Traditional doom
Candlemass
Cold Mourning
KYPCK
Mourn
Penance
Reverend Bizarre
Saint Vitus
Scald
Solsitce
Stillborn

Funeral doom
Thergothon (drummer is nowadays a songwriter and producer of pop duo PMMP)
Skepticism
Elysian Blaze (with black metal influence)
Nortt (with black metal influence)
The Howling Void
Comatose Vigil

Additions: Electric Wizard's Dopethrone is essential stoner doom album.

I'll check all these out.

[Cadonica]

Just bought a ticket to Black Sabbath's Finland gig. 104.95€*. Salty price but worth it.

*118.43 american money.

[Kar-Esseria]

Just bought a ticket to Black Sabbath's Finland gig. 104,95€*. Salty price but worth it.

*118,43 american money.

I think you mean:

*€10,495

and

*$11,843

Not to be a Grammar Nazi, b you got your commas in the wrong spot dude.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I need a 2 guitar amps. 1 for Black metal and one for extreme thrash

[Cadonica]

Just bought a ticket to Black Sabbath's Finland gig. 104,95€*. Salty price but worth it.

*118,43 american money.

I think you mean:

*€10,495

and

*$11,843

Not to be a Grammar Nazi, b you got your commas in the wrong spot dude.

Go be funny somewhere else, commas are in correct spots. If you want to be a true grammar nazi, commas should be periods.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Just bought a ticket to Black Sabbath's Finland gig. 104,95€*. Salty price but worth it.

*118,43 american money.

I think you mean:

*€10,495

and

*$11,843

Not to be a Grammar Nazi, b you got your commas in the wrong spot dude.

um no. He's European. They use commas as decimals not periods

[NeuPolska]

I need a 2 guitar amps. 1 for Black metal and one for extreme thrash

You're going to need to be waaay more specific on what kind of sound you're trying to get.

[Kar-Esseria]

I think you mean:

*€10,495

and

*$11,843

Not to be a Grammar Nazi, b you got your commas in the wrong spot dude.

Go be funny somewhere else, commas are in correct spots. If you want to be a true grammar nazi, commas should be periods.

No, a period is ".", a comma is ",".

I think you mean:

*€10,495

and

*$11,843

Not to be a Grammar Nazi, b you got your commas in the wrong spot dude.

um no. He's European. They use commas as decimals not periods

What? Since when? I've never seen anyone do that.

[Cadonica]

No, a period is ".", a comma is ",".

Tell me something I don't already know.

What? Since when? I've never seen anyone do that.

Here's a screenshot from the site. We use both interchangeably.

[Kar-Esseria]

No, a period is ".", a comma is ",".

Tell me something I don't already know.

What? Since when? I've never seen anyone do that.

Here's a screenshot from the site. We use both interchangeably.

Just when I thought you Euros couldn't get any weirder.

[Cadonica]

Female vocalist. Actually a one-woman band.

No one would know if you don't look it up

[Soviet Haaregrad]

I need a 2 guitar amps. 1 for Black metal and one for extreme thrash

One amp should do both, but if you insist on a separate amp for black metal look for an old Peavey Bandit or Marshall Valvestate. My Peavey Bandit has two channels - grim and necro.

[Kar-Esseria]

Female vocalist. Actually a one-woman band.

No one would know if you don't look it up

That's a chick?

Can't be. Must be autotune.

Either way it's terrible.

[The republic of Kosh Naranek]

I need a 2 guitar amps. 1 for Black metal and one for extreme thrash

One amp should do both, but if you insist on a separate amp for black metal look for an old Peavey Bandit or Marshall Valvestate. My Peavey Bandit has two channels - grim and necro.

That bandit sounds pretty brutal.

[Cadonica]

Female vocalist. Actually a one-woman band.

No one would know if you don't look it up

That's a chick?

Can't be. Must be autotune.

It isn't. Growling is all about technique

[The republic of Kosh Naranek]

That's a chick?

Can't be. Must be autotune.

It isn't. Growling is all about technique

Yeah, there's the corpsegrinder method, and many others.

[Kar-Esseria]

That's a chick?

Can't be. Must be autotune.

It isn't. Growling is all about technique

Smh. Waste of a female vocalist.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

One amp should do both, but if you insist on a separate amp for black metal look for an old Peavey Bandit or Marshall Valvestate. My Peavey Bandit has two channels - grim and necro.

That bandit sounds pretty brutal.

I've been pretty pleased with it - especially for the $75 that I paid. I've got pedals that cost more. It's pretty good as an amp and it works really well as a power amp with my POD or my Crate GX practice amp (converted into a pre-amp by bypassing the entire power amp section).

Honestly, I'm overwhelmed by the amount of good tones I have at my fingertips - it's part of what caused me to burn out on guitar - I'd spend more time setting things up to sound right than I would actually playing. I really only need two good tones (one for the left guitar track, the other for the right guitar track) and having 15 or so is almost a distraction. The cool thing with the POD is you can use amp models with speakers that aren't close to what would normally be used, so you can make a model with a Mesa Recto + a 1x12, or the high gain Class A amp with a 4x12 or whatever. Some of the not-so-metal amp models become usable for metal when combined with a more suitable cab.