Metal Thread 2: In Metal There Is No Law

[NeuPolska]

Okay, I'm taking a break for now, might listen to more later.

Horytnica - Horytnica

6.5/10

Still better than average (don't get discouraged by the low score, keep in mind I'm not Cad and a 6/10 is still an alright album). Laid the groundwork for Horytnica as a band, but was more of a demo than a studio effort. The production was fairly lo-fi, not quite black metal quality though. The songs are lyrically similar, but the rhythms and guitars change things up. The drums suffer from the lo-fi production while the guitars and vocals come off pretty well. The snare isn't exactly the best...but it's still better than St. Anger. Overall not a bad album, but keep in mind that it is a bit rough.

Horytnica - Głos Patriotów

9.2/10

Now this was a major step-up from the first album. Production is much better and all instruments sound great. The female vocals that make an appearance from time to time are a great addition that really helps to break up the songs in the album and make each really stand out. There are emotional songs, powerful songs, kickass songs, and songs that really heighten the listening experience. The only downfall throughout this album is that the vocals are simply not that mindblowing at times, but no matter what song it is, the guitars always stand out. The rhythm does a great job and driving every song but it's the lead parts that make the album soar. Avenged Sevenfold play a shitton of melodies over their songs but that gets annoying. This band does it right. Every note is so tasteful, and the melodies and solos all stand out and really are the reason for the great score I gave this album. A standout for me really was "Lisowczycy", among others. The part that I really loved about this album was when the Epilog piano part began playing a melody from a song earlier in the album (I'm pretty sure it was Lisowczycy) and that really gave this album a mindblowing conclusion that feels very satisfying. This was a fantastic album but unfortunately is very difficult to come by and the only site I've seen that sells it charges $50 (but you get the special edition digipack) and they usually only have 1-3 in stock.

[Kiaculta]

Did I really miss more Kar bullshit?

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Protesting the meat industry is one thing, protesting unnecessary brutality in the meat industry is another thing entirely.

What sort of half-assed vegans would actively condone the meat industry? I don't agree with them (since I'm not a vegan) but they're at least consistent.

People have died and been seriously injured from moshing. Look it up, it's even on Wikipedia.

Sauce? I'm quite certain you're incorrect and including accidents that occurred due to other concert activities. If you have a source that describes a death caused specifically by moshing I'd love to see it and will concede.

Nickelback and Aerosmith are certainly not metal. Linkin Park in it's early years was metal, Bon Jovi certainly has a glam metal sound/feel to it and to deny that just makes it seem like you've never heard them. But Marilyn Manson is undisputedly metal, dude. If you really think he or his band iss not, you're the one who needs to work at Rolling Stone. He is hard rock too, yes, but for the most part was definitely metal. Just because you think something isn't metal, doesn't mean it's not metal.

Rolling Stone are known for lumping every over-distorted hard rock band under the heading metal. Just like you. Just because you think something is metal doesn't mean it is. Further, you have less credibility than Fox News in this thread, so stop trying to tell the metal fans what is and isn't metal. People who are familiar with metal are in a better position to define what is and isn't metal than those who are not. How many more times should I listen to Slippery When Wet before you accept I'm familiar enough to know it's only metal by the standards of editors at Rolling Stone and other mainstream media that isn't familiar with metal or directed towards the metal community. Antichrist Superstar is a dark album, certainly similar to some metal in terms of atmosphere, but it's not metal unless we redefine metal as you seem rather intent on doing.

[NeuPolska]

Do we actually have a clear-cut definition of what metal is? Like in terms of what elements a band needs to be considered metal?

I'm assuming not, so I suppose it'd be fun for all of us to try to create a definition for what is and isn't metal.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Do we actually have a clear-cut definition of what metal is? Like in terms of what elements a band needs to be considered metal?

I'm assuming not, so I suppose it'd be fun for all of us to try to create a definition for what is and isn't metal.

-dark or epic atmosphere
-longer riffs (16-32 notes or more before a riff repeats are typical, as opposed to the shorter riffs typical of rock)
-less use of pop song structures, more emphasis on movement based song structures
-more emphasis on texture and atmosphere instead of hooks
-and, analogous to what Potter Stewart said about hardcore pornography I'll know it when I hear it

I'd also argue bands that explicitly self-identify as not being metal aren't metal no matter how much appeal they have to metal fans, or how similar they sound to metal.


Edit: Yes, by my definition most of the grindcore I love and always talk about isn't metal.
Not every single element I describe needs to be present in all content by the band, but usually all of those elements will be present within a reasonable sampling of the band's output.
It might actually be fair to require the band to explicitly self-identify as metal. Possibly involving some sort of legal document with Satan.

[Revanchism]

Sivyj Yar has done it again, for the third year in a row(Not counting EPs, of course, otherwise it'd be five)
If there was ever a band that changed over time while consistently improving, this is one of them.

[Revanchism]

So far the only band I've heard to succesfully pull off death/doom is Asphyx, especially songs We Doom You to Death and Minefield. Will check those links after I've slept.

Whitehorse is easily the best death/doom I know of. Abyssal also did it really well on parts of their first album.
There's also this.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Space 1992: Rise of the Chaos Wizards is a pretty good album. Props to Gloryhammer.

[The Lendol Archipelago]

Space 1992: Rise of the Chaos Wizards is a pretty good album. Props to Gloryhammer.

Christopher Bowes' YouTube channel's awesome.

[Hjalmarr]

does anyone by chance know how to do black metal shrieks (early varg vikernes type wailing is preferred)?

[Hurdegaryp]

Space 1992: Rise of the Chaos Wizards is a pretty good album. Props to Gloryhammer.

Such an album title inspired me to do a quick search, now I know this is a honest to God concept album:

In the distant future of the year 1992...war has returned to the galaxy. One thousand years have passed since the brave hero Angus McFife defeated the evil sorcerer Zargothrax in the battle of Dunfermline, trapping the wizard in a frozen prison of liquid ice. But now, a cult of unholy chaos wizards are plotting to release their dark master from his ice-bound tomb and once again unleash the sorcerer Zargothrax upon the universe. The tragic destiny of the Galactic Empire of Fife now hangs in the balance once more...

[Cadonica]

Edit: Yes, by my definition most of the grindcore I love and always talk about isn't metal.
Not every single element I describe needs to be present in all content by the band, but usually all of those elements will be present within a reasonable sampling of the band's output.
It might actually be fair to require the band to explicitly self-identify as metal. Possibly involving some sort of legal document with Satan.

Grindcore has never been metal by any definition. Except by butthurt fanboys who think that "not metal" means "bad music that I can't say I like even though I like it"

Self-identify part is bullshit though. If we go by that, Motörhead isn't metal because Lemmy has said he plays rock'n'roll. It also means that any random alternative or hard rock band is metal if they decide to say so. Self-identifying is guideline at best, not set in stone definition of what is and is not metal.

does anyone by chance know how to do black metal shrieks (early varg vikernes type wailing is preferred)?

I've managed to do some. But they've been closer to those of Azaghal and Blodulv.

[Hurdegaryp]

Edit: Yes, by my definition most of the grindcore I love and always talk about isn't metal.
Not every single element I describe needs to be present in all content by the band, but usually all of those elements will be present within a reasonable sampling of the band's output.
It might actually be fair to require the band to explicitly self-identify as metal. Possibly involving some sort of legal document with Satan.

Grindcore has never been metal by any definition. Except by butthurt fanboys who think that "not metal" means "bad music that I can't say I like even though I like it"

Self-identify part is bullshit. If we go by that, Motörhead isn't metal because Lemmy has said he plays rock'n'roll. It also means that any random alternative or hard rock band is metal if they decide to say so. Self-identifying is guideline at best, not set in stone definition of what is and is not metal.

However, given the influence that grindcore and crust punk had on the development of extreme metal, there tends to be a bit of a mix-up. There are more than a few bands that can not be exactly categorized in one genre or the other, which keeps things interesting.

[Cadonica]

Here is something that combines melodeath and death doom

Other good doomy death metal: Paradise Lost, Autopsy, Dead Congregation, Katatonia, October Tide

Nope.

Paradise Lost and October Tide are worth further investigation. 0:40-1:20 part in the Autopsy one is prime example of why I hate death/doom. Tries too hard and fails even harder. Dead Congregation and Katatonia were nope as well.

So far the only band I've heard to succesfully pull off death/doom is Asphyx, especially songs We Doom You to Death and Minefield. Will check those links after I've slept.

Whitehorse is easily the best death/doom I know of. Abyssal also did it really well on parts of their first album.
There's also this.

Nope and nope.

[Cadonica]

Grindcore has never been metal by any definition. Except by butthurt fanboys who think that "not metal" means "bad music that I can't say I like even though I like it"

Self-identify part is bullshit. If we go by that, Motörhead isn't metal because Lemmy has said he plays rock'n'roll. It also means that any random alternative or hard rock band is metal if they decide to say so. Self-identifying is guideline at best, not set in stone definition of what is and is not metal.

However, given the influence that grindcore and crust punk had on the development of extreme metal, there tends to be a bit of a mix-up. There are more than a few bands that can not be exactly categorized in one genre or the other, which keeps things interesting.

True. However, influence doesn't make it metal. Otherwise blues is the most metal thing ever.
And yes, I love grindcore and goregrind.

[Hjalmarr]

However, given the influence that grindcore and crust punk had on the development of extreme metal, there tends to be a bit of a mix-up. There are more than a few bands that can not be exactly categorized in one genre or the other, which keeps things interesting.

True. However, influence doesn't make it metal. Otherwise blues is the most metal thing ever.
And yes, I love grindcore and goregrind.

what's the difference?

[Cadonica]

True. However, influence doesn't make it metal. Otherwise blues is the most metal thing ever.
And yes, I love grindcore and goregrind.

what's the difference?

Goregrind is far more brutal and song titles are far more disgusting. Grindcore is more political and "serious".

[Cadonica]

I fucking love Recordshop X

Their latest FB update concerning the new Maiden album:

Iron Maiden's new album is now in the stores, as CD and vinyl. You have 3 ways to get one:
1. You walk to the closest X and say: "I want Iron Maiden's new album, sell it to me!" After this, vendors hand it to you and empty the insides of your wallet.
2. You go to X's site and order the album to yourself (you can also buy other albums).
3. You call Bruce Dickinson or Nicko Mcbrain and try to bum a free copy of the album.

Free translation

[Impaled Nazarene]

i need more dissection on my phone

suggestion pls (already have Night Bane, Soulreaper, Maha Kali and Cold Winds of Nowhere)

where the fuck is Night's Blood?
By all three albums. they are all great despite the fact that Reinkaos is far too commercial

[Great Kanaan]

i need more dissection on my phone

suggestion pls (already have Night Bane, Soulreaper, Maha Kali and Cold Winds of Nowhere)

where the fuck is Night's Blood?
By all three albums. they are all great despite the fact that Reinkaos is far too commercial

I think by Night Bane he meant Night's Blood.

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I'm into folk metal and death metal (Nile, Cattle Decapitation, Decapitated. I need more bands).

[Impaled Nazarene]

does anyone by chance know how to do black metal shrieks (early varg vikernes type wailing is preferred)?

wear tight leather pants that feel like they crush your nuts. You'll either sound like Prince or sound like Ea Lord of the Depths

[Cadonica]

I'm into folk metal and death metal (Nile, Cattle Decapitation, Decapitated. I need more bands).

Folk
Korpiklaani
Finntroll
Skyclad
Alestorm
Metsatöll

Death
Asphyx
Unleashed
Amon Amarth
Suffocation
Hypocrisy
Death

[Great Kanaan]

I'm into folk metal and death metal (Nile, Cattle Decapitation, Decapitated. I need more bands).

Folk
Korpiklaani
Finntroll
Skyclad
Alestorm
Metsatöll

Death
Asphyx
Unleashed
Amon Amarth
Suffocation
Hypocrisy
Death

Thanks a bunch.

[Kar-Esseria]

Protesting the meat industry is one thing, protesting unnecessary brutality in the meat industry is another thing entirely.

What sort of half-assed vegans would actively condone the meat industry? I don't agree with them (since I'm not a vegan) but they're at least consistent.

People have died and been seriously injured from moshing. Look it up, it's even on Wikipedia.

Sauce? I'm quite certain you're incorrect and including accidents that occurred due to other concert activities. If you have a source that describes a death caused specifically by moshing I'd love to see it and will concede.

Nickelback and Aerosmith are certainly not metal. Linkin Park in it's early years was metal, Bon Jovi certainly has a glam metal sound/feel to it and to deny that just makes it seem like you've never heard them. But Marilyn Manson is undisputedly metal, dude. If you really think he or his band iss not, you're the one who needs to work at Rolling Stone. He is hard rock too, yes, but for the most part was definitely metal. Just because you think something isn't metal, doesn't mean it's not metal.

Rolling Stone are known for lumping every over-distorted hard rock band under the heading metal. Just like you. Just because you think something is metal doesn't mean it is. Further, you have less credibility than Fox News in this thread, so stop trying to tell the metal fans what is and isn't metal. People who are familiar with metal are in a better position to define what is and isn't metal than those who are not. How many more times should I listen to Slippery When Wet before you accept I'm familiar enough to know it's only metal by the standards of editors at Rolling Stone and other mainstream media that isn't familiar with metal or directed towards the metal community. Antichrist Superstar is a dark album, certainly similar to some metal in terms of atmosphere, but it's not metal unless we redefine metal as you seem rather intent on doing.

What sort of vegans condone the meat industry? Oh, I dunno, the ones that aren't total assholes maybe? I don't agree with abortion, but I don't picket abortion clinics and call women who get an abortion "murderers", nor would I support the banning of abortion. It's called not being a dick, but if you have to be a dick to be a vegan then vegans can fuck off. Humans are omnivores, and we always will be. It's not unethical, it's natural.

And as I fucking said, it's on Wikipedia. You know, that big collection of knowledge. With links. To sources. Perhaps you've heard of it? Here, let me get it for you, since it's obviously too much trouble for you to take 5 minutes to Google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing#O ... ontroversy

The Rolling Stone is a shit magazine, I know this, you don't have to tell me that. But I fucking know the difference between hard rock and heavy metal. I;m not trying to tell metal fans what is and isn't metal, I'm trying to tell you what is metal since you obviously don't know where the line between hard rock and heavy metal is.

Bon Jovi is hard rock, I won't deny this, but what you should not deny is that they have a heavy glam metal influence. It's not that fucking hard to hear it, either. If you can't, you're fucking deaf, dude.

Marilyn Manson is metal, I won't say it again because it's not up for debate. You might as well tell me Nine Inch Nails isn't metal as well. Both are what is called "industrial metal". Perhaps you've heard of it?

Oh, and just because you listened to one album doesn't suddenly make you an expect on a bands sound by the way. Both artists have more than one album you know, and one album alone doesn't define an artist's musical sound.

[Cadonica]

Thanks a bunch.

Oh, I completely forgot Orpahned Land
Their early material was death metal and newer material is folk metal.