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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:58 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:How are Belgium and the Netherlands?

Netherlands has fallen to the Germans, whole Belgium has remained neutral.

Maybe go with a phased withdrawal back to Maginot. Then use your airpower to sap the strength of the German army and then counterattack.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:59 am

Roma Byzantina wrote:How does one even army in HOI3? I have no idea how to work the military, especially in troop movements and such.

It's taken me about 300 hours to master it.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:59 am

I've penetrated the Middle East via landing near Jerusalem. Most of my units aren't too impressive, but my trump card is the Littorio Armored Division (it's a fucking beast). The other Axis are swarming through Turkey into Iraq. The German-Polish front is looking pretty bare (Hitler is going to get royally screwed if he invades them) and my numerically and technologically superior North African force is getting it's ass kicked by British troops due to poor supplies.

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Bralia wrote:*moaning nerdgasm* And that's only with 500 stars . . .

All of those Systems are mine, by rights, all who deny th- No Huskar, stop it. The game is not out yet.

Hehe, Yet

Someone's slave shock collar obviously needs tuning, getting a little uppity there.

Better tell R&D to take care of rebellious thoughts.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:00 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Netherlands has fallen to the Germans, whole Belgium has remained neutral.

Is a push through Italy an option?

Italy has already been liberated. They're a part of the allies now. An unwilling participant, though, they don't seem to have a military and don't seem to be producing one.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:00 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Netherlands has fallen to the Germans, whole Belgium has remained neutral.

Maybe go with a phased withdrawal back to Maginot. Then use your airpower to sap the strength of the German army and then counterattack.

If you want, Maréchal des Logis Eol Sha, I can pull up some screenshots of the current situation.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:01 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:I've penetrated the Middle East via landing near Jerusalem. Most of my units aren't too impressive, but my trump card is the Littorio Armored Division (it's a fucking beast). The other Axis are swarming through Turkey into Iraq. The German-Polish front is looking pretty bare (Hitler is going to get royally screwed if he invades them) and my numerically and technologically superior North African force is getting it's ass kicked by British troops due to poor supplies.

Did you at least buy the middle east dinner first?
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:01 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Is a push through Italy an option?

Italy has already been liberated. They're a part of the allies now. An unwilling participant, though, they don't seem to have a military and don't seem to be producing one.

Maybe go with a phased withdrawal back to Maginot. Then use your airpower to sap the strength of the German army and then counterattack.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:01 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Maybe go with a phased withdrawal back to Maginot. Then use your airpower to sap the strength of the German army and then counterattack.

If you want, Maréchal des Logis Eol Sha, I can pull up some screenshots of the current situation.

That'd be great.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:02 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:If you want, Maréchal des Logis Eol Sha, I can pull up some screenshots of the current situation.

That'd be great.

Or should I say, Généraux Eol Sha. ;)

Once I get home I'll try to upload them.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Benomia 3 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:03 am

Roma Byzantina wrote:How does one even army in HOI3? I have no idea how to work the military, especially in troop movements and such.

Step 1: play darkest hour instead
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Postby Lyannesia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:03 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Roma Byzantina wrote:How does one even army in HOI3? I have no idea how to work the military, especially in troop movements and such.

Step 1: play darkest hour instead

Yup


Ayyyyy 378 hours on DH, still confused on airforce.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:04 am

Genivaria wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:I've penetrated the Middle East via landing near Jerusalem. Most of my units aren't too impressive, but my trump card is the Littorio Armored Division (it's a fucking beast). The other Axis are swarming through Turkey into Iraq. The German-Polish front is looking pretty bare (Hitler is going to get royally screwed if he invades them) and my numerically and technologically superior North African force is getting it's ass kicked by British troops due to poor supplies.

Did you at least buy the middle east dinner first?


If I didn't buy the Brits dinner after the East African Theater, I'm not buying the Middle East it either.

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:04 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:That'd be great.

Or should I say, Généraux Eol Sha. ;)

Once I get home I'll try to upload them.

If my plan grinds your army to dust, I'll be off vacationing in Cuba. I hear that Batista guy has nice cigars.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Benomia 3 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:08 am

Lyannesia wrote:
Benomia 3 wrote:Step 1: play darkest hour instead

Yup


Ayyyyy 378 hours on DH, still confused on airforce.


Just right click on where you want them to operate and tell them to operate.


Now for me, navies are a black box. I have no idea how they work, how I can build them, how I can use them, etc.
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Postby Lyannesia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:10 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Lyannesia wrote:Yup


Ayyyyy 378 hours on DH, still confused on airforce.


Just right click on where you want them to operate and tell them to operate.


Now for me, navies are a black box. I have no idea how they work, how I can build them, how I can use them, etc.
Navy is really easy.

Built navy in the naval screen, and use them like the army, just with the water blocks :p

Das Navy is used to intercept other navy, bomb shores and do amphibious landings. If you are really into it, use subs to do convoy strikes. For nations like Britain, it can starve them off resources if done correctly ;)

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Postby Benomia 3 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:12 am

Lyannesia wrote:
Benomia 3 wrote:
Just right click on where you want them to operate and tell them to operate.


Now for me, navies are a black box. I have no idea how they work, how I can build them, how I can use them, etc.
Navy is really easy.

Built navy in the naval screen, and use them like the army, just with the water blocks :p

Das Navy is used to intercept other navy, bomb shores and do amphibious landings. If you are really into it, use subs to do convoy strikes. For nations like Britain, it can starve them off resources if done correctly ;)


Let me put it this way.
I, as Germany, utterly failed a naval invasion of Norway and ended up with 0 ships.
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Postby Lyannesia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:13 am

Benomia 3 wrote:snip
Mein gott, the Navy :o

It's okay I guess, you can always focus on land campaigns :p

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:16 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Lyannesia wrote:Navy is really easy.

Built navy in the naval screen, and use them like the army, just with the water blocks :p

Das Navy is used to intercept other navy, bomb shores and do amphibious landings. If you are really into it, use subs to do convoy strikes. For nations like Britain, it can starve them off resources if done correctly ;)


Let me put it this way.
I, as Germany, utterly failed a naval invasion of Norway and ended up with 0 ships.

:rofl: *wipes away tear* :p

My only experience with naval forces in HoI 3 involved transporting Australian and South African troops west to North Africa. Although, in a brief game as Turkey, I used my meager navy to trap the Bulgarian and Romanian navies in their ports.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:26 pm

Generaux Sha, our situation come October, 1945. In the East, the fighting is mainly between weakly-armed and organized German Militia and our well-armed and experienced Medium Tank/Mechanized Infantry divisions. The Western part of the front is a lot bloodier, little mechanization by either side, most of my pre-war non-mechanized units that have been upgraded to wartime standards garrison the Western part of the front,, opposing the last coherent fighting force Germany has, which I've termed "Army Group Holland", as it was the Army that first invaded, and then reinvaded the Netherlands after the British landed.

French advantages include Manpower (2761 French vs. 0 German.), Technology, and Unit-based experience. (On a brigade-by-brigade basis, a lot of the experienced German units were lost in the Italian campaign. Meanwhile, most of my French brigades have been fighting since 1938.) The Germans, on the other hand, have superior leadership (Erwin Rommel is now a 9-skill General with 5 different specializations.), and Organization. Numbers are about equal. Airpower is about equal as well, whereas the Sea is ruled by France and Britain (The Lorraine, the French flagship, sank both the Graf Spee and the Tirpitz.).
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Max Empire » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:28 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:Generaux Sha, our situation come October, 1945. In the East, the fighting is mainly between weakly-armed and organized German Militia and our well-armed and experienced Medium Tank/Mechanized Infantry divisions. The Western part of the front is a lot bloodier, little mechanization by either side, most of my pre-war non-mechanized units that have been upgraded to wartime standards garrison the Western part of the front,, opposing the last coherent fighting force Germany has, which I've termed "Army Group Holland", as it was the Army that first invaded, and then reinvaded the Netherlands after the British landed.

French advantages include Manpower (2761 French vs. 0 German.), Technology, and Unit-based experience. (On a brigade-by-brigade basis, a lot of the experienced German units were lost in the Italian campaign. Meanwhile, most of my French brigades have been fighting since 1938.) The Germans, on the other hand, have superior leadership (Erwin Rommel is now a 9-skill General with 5 different specializations.), and Organization. Numbers are about equal. Airpower is about equal as well, whereas the Sea is ruled by France and Britain (The Lorraine, the French flagship, sank both the Graf Spee and the Tirpitz.).


Switzerland is still alive and neutral! :)
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Bralia wrote:*moaning nerdgasm* And that's only with 500 stars . . .

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:01 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:Generaux Sha, our situation come October, 1945. In the East, the fighting is mainly between weakly-armed and organized German Militia and our well-armed and experienced Medium Tank/Mechanized Infantry divisions. The Western part of the front is a lot bloodier, little mechanization by either side, most of my pre-war non-mechanized units that have been upgraded to wartime standards garrison the Western part of the front,, opposing the last coherent fighting force Germany has, which I've termed "Army Group Holland", as it was the Army that first invaded, and then reinvaded the Netherlands after the British landed.

French advantages include Manpower (2761 French vs. 0 German.), Technology, and Unit-based experience. (On a brigade-by-brigade basis, a lot of the experienced German units were lost in the Italian campaign. Meanwhile, most of my French brigades have been fighting since 1938.) The Germans, on the other hand, have superior leadership (Erwin Rommel is now a 9-skill General with 5 different specializations.), and Organization. Numbers are about equal. Airpower is about equal as well, whereas the Sea is ruled by France and Britain (The Lorraine, the French flagship, sank both the Graf Spee and the Tirpitz.).

I see two ways you can go. One, you could use your better trained eastern units to push through the weaker German units and then loop around the German western flank and attack them from behind as they continue to to assault your western flank. If that works then chase them across the Rhineland and northern Germany and pound them into oblivion before turning towards Berlin or another German army if there is one lingering about.

Another option is too quickly pull your eastern troops back to France as your western troops initiate a slow and bloody withdrawal to the Maginot Line. You can afford to bleed away a few troops. Germany can't. While withdrawing it'd be wise to deny the air to the Luftwaffe. I'd suggest devoting your fighters to air superiority and use what bombers you have to destroy the German supply lines if they haven't been wrecked already. As you withdraw, also make spoiling attacks on the German units as they wait to attack again if you can. It'll be a good way to bleed away more of their units' strength. Only do so if you can get away with it, though.

A third option would be to run like hell back to France and use some units as a sacrificial screen to slow down the German army.

You could also rapidly shift troops from the west to the east and break out from Bohemia, leaving a thin, but strong defensive line in the west that is supposed to distract the Germans as your eastern group runs wild or loops around and attacks the rear of the German army from the north.

Those are my suggestions.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:30 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Generaux Sha, our situation come October, 1945. In the East, the fighting is mainly between weakly-armed and organized German Militia and our well-armed and experienced Medium Tank/Mechanized Infantry divisions. The Western part of the front is a lot bloodier, little mechanization by either side, most of my pre-war non-mechanized units that have been upgraded to wartime standards garrison the Western part of the front,, opposing the last coherent fighting force Germany has, which I've termed "Army Group Holland", as it was the Army that first invaded, and then reinvaded the Netherlands after the British landed.

French advantages include Manpower (2761 French vs. 0 German.), Technology, and Unit-based experience. (On a brigade-by-brigade basis, a lot of the experienced German units were lost in the Italian campaign. Meanwhile, most of my French brigades have been fighting since 1938.) The Germans, on the other hand, have superior leadership (Erwin Rommel is now a 9-skill General with 5 different specializations.), and Organization. Numbers are about equal. Airpower is about equal as well, whereas the Sea is ruled by France and Britain (The Lorraine, the French flagship, sank both the Graf Spee and the Tirpitz.).

I see two ways you can go. One, you could use your better trained eastern units to push through the weaker German units and then loop around the German western flank and attack them from behind as they continue to to assault your western flank. If that works then chase them across the Rhineland and northern Germany and pound them into oblivion before turning towards Berlin or another German army if there is one lingering about.

Another option is too quickly pull your eastern troops back to France as your western troops initiate a slow and bloody withdrawal to the Maginot Line. You can afford to bleed away a few troops. Germany can't. While withdrawing it'd be wise to deny the air to the Luftwaffe. I'd suggest devoting your fighters to air superiority and use what bombers you have to destroy the German supply lines if they haven't been wrecked already. As you withdraw, also make spoiling attacks on the German units as they wait to attack again if you can. It'll be a good way to bleed away more of their units' strength. Only do so if you can get away with it, though.

A third option would be to run like hell back to France and use some units as a sacrificial screen to slow down the German army.

You could also rapidly shift troops from the west to the east and break out from Bohemia, leaving a thin, but strong defensive line in the west that is supposed to distract the Germans as your eastern group runs wild or loops around and attacks the rear of the German army from the north.

Those are my suggestions.

Thank you, Generaux Sha. Your second suggestion will be followed through with. Since the United States is now in the war, and Nationalist China having annexed Japan, I assume that the US will devote all their wartime production and effort to winning the War in Europe.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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