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Playing an EU4 game as Milan, its 1721. I have conquered Italy, France, Spain, most of the HRE, and north Africa. So far the ottomans have kept me from going east, as they have conquered all of the arabian pennisula, egypt, persia,india, and most of China. And they have westernized and are 6 techs ahead of me (two in each category)
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Postby Herargon » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:58 pm

I wonder what the closest alternative to the totalitarian state of 1984 is, that you can get in CK2, EU4 or any Paradox game.

Complete with all changes you could do to a state, such as centralisation, vassals, or such, etc.
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Postby Conoga » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:11 pm

Herargon wrote:I wonder what the closest alternative to the totalitarian state of 1984 is, that you can get in CK2, EU4 or any Paradox game.

Complete with all changes you could do to a state, such as centralisation, vassals, or such, etc.

Darkest Hour or Vicky, I'd say

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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:59 pm

Conoga wrote:
Herargon wrote:I wonder what the closest alternative to the totalitarian state of 1984 is, that you can get in CK2, EU4 or any Paradox game.

Complete with all changes you could do to a state, such as centralisation, vassals, or such, etc.

Darkest Hour or Vicky, I'd say


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Postby IshCong » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:41 pm

Acro wrote:Playing an EU4 game as Milan, its 1721. I have conquered Italy, France, Spain, most of the HRE, and north Africa. So far the ottomans have kept me from going east, as they have conquered all of the arabian pennisula, egypt, persia,india, and most of China. And they have westernized and are 6 techs ahead of me (two in each category)


How'd you fall so far behind on tech? Just rampant coring and diplo-annexations and ideas? Not sure how you fell behind in mil tech though. There's so little to spend that on.
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:41 pm

IshCong wrote:
Acro wrote:Playing an EU4 game as Milan, its 1721. I have conquered Italy, France, Spain, most of the HRE, and north Africa. So far the ottomans have kept me from going east, as they have conquered all of the arabian pennisula, egypt, persia,india, and most of China. And they have westernized and are 6 techs ahead of me (two in each category)


How'd you fall so far behind on tech? Just rampant coring and diplo-annexations and ideas? Not sure how you fell behind in mil tech though. There's so little to spend that on.

Crushing dissent in the provinces using "harsh treatment" in all likelihood.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:47 pm

IshCong wrote:
Acro wrote:Playing an EU4 game as Milan, its 1721. I have conquered Italy, France, Spain, most of the HRE, and north Africa. So far the ottomans have kept me from going east, as they have conquered all of the arabian pennisula, egypt, persia,india, and most of China. And they have westernized and are 6 techs ahead of me (two in each category)


How'd you fall so far behind on tech? Just rampant coring and diplo-annexations and ideas? Not sure how you fell behind in mil tech though. There's so little to spend that on.


Is it possible to fall behind on tech, even though you are from Western tech on start?
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Postby Bralia » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:04 pm

Considering Beno and I are both playing Spain at the same time, I figure it's time to establish a cutthroat friendly competition. Bralia Spain is clearly the best Spain, guys. Vote now for your favorite Spain player!
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:13 pm

Bralia wrote:Considering Beno and I are both playing Spain at the same time, I figure it's time to establish a cutthroat friendly competition. Bralia Spain is clearly the best Spain, guys. Vote now for your favorite Spain player!

Why is the USA in Florida only? What happened there?
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Postby Bralia » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:18 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Bralia wrote:Considering Beno and I are both playing Spain at the same time, I figure it's time to establish a cutthroat friendly competition. Bralia Spain is clearly the best Spain, guys. Vote now for your favorite Spain player!

Why is the USA in Florida only? What happened there?

USA used to be the French-turned-Spanish colonial region in the Eastern American region. Britain claimed the region first, so formerly-Floride never colonized on its own and I definitely didn't want to piss off the Pope by colonizing for Floride. I ditched them.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:29 pm

Currently trying a Utrecht->Reactionary Catholic Netherlands. United all of the Non-Burgundian Dutch states by 1490, but now I need to get a powerful ally to help me deal with Burgundy, which ahs decided, against usual odds, to be strong.
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Postby IshCong » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:35 pm

Altito Asmoro wrote:
IshCong wrote:
How'd you fall so far behind on tech? Just rampant coring and diplo-annexations and ideas? Not sure how you fell behind in mil tech though. There's so little to spend that on.


Is it possible to fall behind on tech, even though you are from Western tech on start?


I have fallen behind in Admin and Diplo tech before, yeah. Rampant coring and blowing points on ideas rather than tech (especially for Diplo and especially as a non-naval, non-trading nation) can do that. It wasn't an accident, I knew I was going to fall behind in tech doing that, but I didn't really care because, hey, more landz for the taking, and that was more valuable to me than the tech.
Now, if you're not doing it intentionally, I'm not so sure. The Ahead-of-Time penalty hits like a truck after all. And I can't recall ever even coming close to falling behind in Military tech because there's nothing to spend that on other than Ideas, tech, rarely buildings in the early game, and the occasional harsh treatment.
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Postby Dakran » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:55 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:Currently trying a Utrecht->Reactionary Catholic Netherlands. United all of the Non-Burgundian Dutch states by 1490, but now I need to get a powerful ally to help me deal with Burgundy, which ahs decided, against usual odds, to be strong.

I would say try to get England and France. England can blockade them, which increases war exhaustion iirc, while France can throw thousands of men at them, eventually grinding them down. But that's just my opinion.
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Postby Bezombia » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:03 am

Bralia wrote:Considering Beno and I are both playing Spain at the same time, I figure it's time to establish a cutthroat friendly competition. Bralia Spain is clearly the best Spain, guys. Vote now for your favorite Spain player!


You're two hundred years ahead of me.

I bet you that by that time I'll own at least 150% of the land that you do.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:55 am

*Sending out British conquistadors and defeating hostile native uprisings*
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Napkiraly wrote:*Sending out British conquistadors and defeating hostile native uprisings*
*native population doesn't come back*
"Shit fam, I just committed genocide..."
*Go back to doing what was being done*

Pff. You haven't felt genocide till you pressed "change culture" half a billion times and completely changed the cultures of whole regions, of countries.
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Postby Bralia » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:16 am

Bezombia wrote:
Bralia wrote:Considering Beno and I are both playing Spain at the same time, I figure it's time to establish a cutthroat friendly competition. Bralia Spain is clearly the best Spain, guys. Vote now for your favorite Spain player!


You're two hundred years ahead of me.

I bet you that by that time I'll own at least 150% of the land that you do.

Time for new tactics then:

Spanish Dictator Beloved Leader: "It's time to ramp up our conquests. Declare war!"
Spanish Military Commander: "On who, sire?"
Spanish Dictator Beloved Leader: "Everyone."

In all likelihood, you will. :P. I'm a very modest, patient player compared to you.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:22 am

Bralia wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
You're two hundred years ahead of me.

I bet you that by that time I'll own at least 150% of the land that you do.

Time for new tactics then:

Spanish Dictator Beloved Leader: "It's time to ramp our conquests. Declare war!"
Spanish Military Commander: "On who, sire?"
Spanish Dictator Beloved Leader: "Everyone."

In all likelihood, you will. :P. I'm a very modest, patient player compared to you.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:17 am

Bralia wrote:Considering Beno and I are both playing Spain at the same time, I figure it's time to establish a cutthroat friendly competition. Bralia Spain is clearly the best Spain, guys. Vote now for your favorite Spain player!

Is that... Is that a successful and historical New England?
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Postby Glasgia » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:12 am

Herargon wrote:I wonder what the closest alternative to the totalitarian state of 1984 is, that you can get in CK2, EU4 or any Paradox game.

Complete with all changes you could do to a state, such as centralisation, vassals, or such, etc.


Either Fascist/Communist government in Vicky2 with no political reforms and some basic social reforms, or HOI3 with National Socialism/Stalinism, totalitarianism, state press, etc.
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Postby Acro » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:17 am

Ruridova wrote:
IshCong wrote:
How'd you fall so far behind on tech? Just rampant coring and diplo-annexations and ideas? Not sure how you fell behind in mil tech though. There's so little to spend that on.

Crushing dissent in the provinces using "harsh treatment" in all likelihood.


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Postby IshCong » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:21 am

Acro wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Crushing dissent in the provinces using "harsh treatment" in all likelihood.


I had 3 1/2/1 kings in a row. It sucked


I feel like that still shouldn't cause you to fall 6 techs behind without something else going on. What tier advisors are you running? Threes, right?
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Postby Acro » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:35 am

IshCong wrote:
Acro wrote:
I had 3 1/2/1 kings in a row. It sucked


I feel like that still shouldn't cause you to fall 6 techs behind without something else going on. What tier advisors are you running? Threes, right?


Yeah, its not so much me falling behind, as the ottomans being ahead.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:00 pm

I decided to wait with the 1001 provinces achievement untill i figured out properly how to deal with superpowers. This also brought me to the idea to try the Spain is the Emperor achievement. For that i would need to crush France. Does anyone have any good tips on how to do that?
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