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Postby Arkolon » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:32 pm

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Established on the 10th of June 1890, after hordes of Communist rebels stormed the capital city of Constantinople, the Absolute Monarch was beheaded and the Byzantine Empire came under the iron grip of the Kommounistiki!

So now what? I have, like, 45 and a half years left to play in this game. What do I set myself as a goal now? Thanks to everyone who helped me achieve this milestone. *wipes tear from eye*


Remove Grand Kebab from Yurop.

Grand Kebab is French sphere + French ally + Dutch ally, idk if I really want to go there just yet. I have Germany on my side. Think I can pull it off?
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If I had the El Dorado thing, I would have had created a nation called ''Live Long and Prosper''... :(
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Postby IshCong » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:42 pm

Herargon wrote:If I had the El Dorado thing, I would have had created a nation called ''Live Long and Prosper''... :(


CK2 + Ruler Designer?
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Postby Herargon » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:52 pm

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Herargon wrote:If I had the El Dorado thing, I would have had created a nation called ''Live Long and Prosper''... :(


CK2 + Ruler Designer?


Yeah, I was talking about Spock. The actor recently died. RIP.

By any way, I've wondered this for years; what would be the most easiest start, and what the ultimately most hard, most impossible start?
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Postby IshCong » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:57 pm

Herargon wrote:
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CK2 + Ruler Designer?


Yeah, I was talking about Spock. The actor recently died. RIP.

By any way, I've wondered this for years; what would be the most easiest start, and what the ultimately most hard, most impossible start?


I know, I was suggesting that since you don't have El Dorado, you could do like, House Spock in CK2 with Ruler Designer instead. If you wanted.

As for starts, depends on the game? Albania, Theodoro, Granada, North American tribes, all seem pretty hard in EUIV. France, Ottomans, Castille are all really easy.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:02 pm

Arkolon wrote:Hurrah! Behold, comrades, the Red Themes!

Established on the 10th of June 1890, after hordes of Communist rebels stormed the capital city of Constantinople, the Absolute Monarch was beheaded and the Byzantine Empire came under the iron grip of the Kommounistiki!

So now what? I have, like, 45 and a half years left to play in this game. What do I set myself as a goal now? Thanks to everyone who helped me achieve this milestone. *wipes tear from eye*

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Arkolon wrote:Hurrah! Behold, comrades, the Red Themes!

Established on the 10th of June 1890, after hordes of Communist rebels stormed the capital city of Constantinople, the Absolute Monarch was beheaded and the Byzantine Empire came under the iron grip of the Kommounistiki!

So now what? I have, like, 45 and a half years left to play in this game. What do I set myself as a goal now? Thanks to everyone who helped me achieve this milestone. *wipes tear from eye*
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Ahem, so yeah good work pal, now try and get as many communist or socialist led nations as you can before the end of the game.

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Arkolon wrote:Hurrah! Behold, comrades, the Red Themes!

Established on the 10th of June 1890, after hordes of Communist rebels stormed the capital city of Constantinople, the Absolute Monarch was beheaded and the Byzantine Empire came under the iron grip of the Kommounistiki!

So now what? I have, like, 45 and a half years left to play in this game. What do I set myself as a goal now? Thanks to everyone who helped me achieve this milestone. *wipes tear from eye*


Remove Grand Kebab from Yurop.

That as well.
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Remove Grand Kebab from Yurop.

Grand Kebab is French sphere + French ally + Dutch ally, idk if I really want to go there just yet. I have Germany on my side. Think I can pull it off?

Germany can 1v2 France and Russia. If you can stand strong against the kebabs then Germany can do the rest.
Unless the AI, being the AI, dies mentally and lets France and the Netherlands wreck its shit, but that shouldn't happen. Probably.

No, but seriously, late-game Germany often is more than capable to take on those two enemies you mentioned, though they might have issues with supporting you unless they get access from AH.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:10 pm

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I don't believe i can pull that off with Najd. The Ottomans could be a choice yes, though i already played them recently.
What area's should i think of when looking at 1001 provinces? Like Asia and Africa?


Asia and Africa alone likely wouldn't get you to 1001. Jihad alone, which requires 500, usually ends up taking Africa and the majority of Asia. You'd either need Europe too or figure out how to do a decent exodus game so you can use up the new world's provinces.


Hmm... In that case it seems like France would be my best shot, neutralizing Castille and Portugal first gives me access to alot of land in the new world just as it would give me proper access to Africa. I guess it all depends on PU's from there on... Hoping that i'll end up in some good PU's, with some luck Russia or so...
Anyhow, if i wouldn't make it with France it wouldn't be a big deal as there are a handfull of other achievements that i still need.
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Postby Nidajogai » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:15 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
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Asia and Africa alone likely wouldn't get you to 1001. Jihad alone, which requires 500, usually ends up taking Africa and the majority of Asia. You'd either need Europe too or figure out how to do a decent exodus game so you can use up the new world's provinces.


Hmm... In that case it seems like France would be my best shot, neutralizing Castille and Portugal first gives me access to alot of land in the new world just as it would give me proper access to Africa. I guess it all depends on PU's from there on... Hoping that i'll end up in some good PU's, with some luck Russia or so...

The hansa is easier then it looks, conq bremen and that burg thing, block the straight between the capital of denmark and the long bit, take long bit blob where you want next. Take the baltic, form germany or even eat netherlands and Britain up. Small rich place full of potential
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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:17 pm

Nidajogai wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Hmm... In that case it seems like France would be my best shot, neutralizing Castille and Portugal first gives me access to alot of land in the new world just as it would give me proper access to Africa. I guess it all depends on PU's from there on... Hoping that i'll end up in some good PU's, with some luck Russia or so...

The hansa is easier then it looks, conq bremen and that burg thing, block the straight between the capital of denmark and the long bit, take long bit blob where you want next. Take the baltic, form germany or even eat netherlands and Britain up. Small rich place full of potential


Agreed. Mercs are your friends as the Hansa. You can get shit-tons of money in through trade and don't have to waste your limited manpower.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:19 pm

Nidajogai wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Hmm... In that case it seems like France would be my best shot, neutralizing Castille and Portugal first gives me access to alot of land in the new world just as it would give me proper access to Africa. I guess it all depends on PU's from there on... Hoping that i'll end up in some good PU's, with some luck Russia or so...

The hansa is easier then it looks, conq bremen and that burg thing, block the straight between the capital of denmark and the long bit, take long bit blob where you want next. Take the baltic, form germany or even eat netherlands and Britain up. Small rich place full of potential


True, but i doubt i would get the 1001 provinces achievement with that. I'm not an expert on the game nor do i fully understand bonusses and such within it so its a though one for me already as it is.
I'm still kinda thinking between France and Poland. Poland mainly becouse it can tear apart both the Ottomans as Russia and with a bit of luck you get free PU's with other nations. On the other hand, France can get almost all of Africa and America for itself if Castille and Portugal are taken care of earlly on, add to that progression into the HRE and trying to get some strong PU's it could be done aswell.
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Postby Olivaero » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:25 pm

Arkolon wrote:Hurrah! Behold, comrades, the Red Themes!

Established on the 10th of June 1890, after hordes of Communist rebels stormed the capital city of Constantinople, the Absolute Monarch was beheaded and the Byzantine Empire came under the iron grip of the Kommounistiki!

So now what? I have, like, 45 and a half years left to play in this game. What do I set myself as a goal now? Thanks to everyone who helped me achieve this milestone. *wipes tear from eye*

Bravo. I'd personally try and retake the Balkans the Levant and Egypt for the glory of the second rome!
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Postby IshCong » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:01 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
Nidajogai wrote:The hansa is easier then it looks, conq bremen and that burg thing, block the straight between the capital of denmark and the long bit, take long bit blob where you want next. Take the baltic, form germany or even eat netherlands and Britain up. Small rich place full of potential


True, but i doubt i would get the 1001 provinces achievement with that. I'm not an expert on the game nor do i fully understand bonusses and such within it so its a though one for me already as it is.
I'm still kinda thinking between France and Poland. Poland mainly becouse it can tear apart both the Ottomans as Russia and with a bit of luck you get free PU's with other nations. On the other hand, France can get almost all of Africa and America for itself if Castille and Portugal are taken care of earlly on, add to that progression into the HRE and trying to get some strong PU's it could be done aswell.


The 1001 Achieve requires direct rule though. Wouldn't anything you take in the Americas flip over to CNs, so you'd only rule them indirectly? And you can't annex CNs either.
Now, HREmperor with the unlimited vassals and then diplo-annexation spam, that could work out pretty well too, I imagine.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:05 pm

IshCong wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
True, but i doubt i would get the 1001 provinces achievement with that. I'm not an expert on the game nor do i fully understand bonusses and such within it so its a though one for me already as it is.
I'm still kinda thinking between France and Poland. Poland mainly becouse it can tear apart both the Ottomans as Russia and with a bit of luck you get free PU's with other nations. On the other hand, France can get almost all of Africa and America for itself if Castille and Portugal are taken care of earlly on, add to that progression into the HRE and trying to get some strong PU's it could be done aswell.


The 1001 Achieve requires direct rule though. Wouldn't anything you take in the Americas flip over to CNs, so you'd only rule them indirectly? And you can't annex CNs either.
Now, HREmperor with the unlimited vassals and then diplo-annexation spam, that could work out pretty well too, I imagine.


You're right, i completely forgot about that, there ends my France idea....
What do you mean with the second part? Like Austria can have unlimited vassals?
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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:06 pm

IshCong wrote:
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
True, but i doubt i would get the 1001 provinces achievement with that. I'm not an expert on the game nor do i fully understand bonusses and such within it so its a though one for me already as it is.
I'm still kinda thinking between France and Poland. Poland mainly becouse it can tear apart both the Ottomans as Russia and with a bit of luck you get free PU's with other nations. On the other hand, France can get almost all of Africa and America for itself if Castille and Portugal are taken care of earlly on, add to that progression into the HRE and trying to get some strong PU's it could be done aswell.


The 1001 Achieve requires direct rule though. Wouldn't anything you take in the Americas flip over to CNs, so you'd only rule them indirectly? And you can't annex CNs either.
Now, HREmperor with the unlimited vassals and then diplo-annexation spam, that could work out pretty well too, I imagine.


Ming might work. Go conquer Asia.
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Lunas Legion wrote:
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The 1001 Achieve requires direct rule though. Wouldn't anything you take in the Americas flip over to CNs, so you'd only rule them indirectly? And you can't annex CNs either.
Now, HREmperor with the unlimited vassals and then diplo-annexation spam, that could work out pretty well too, I imagine.


Ming might work. Go conquer Asia.


But is that enough? I'm not sure if Asia has 1001 provinces and their tech is just too shit to advance furhter then that.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:20 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
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Ming might work. Go conquer Asia.


But is that enough? I'm not sure if Asia has 1001 provinces and their tech is just too shit to advance furhter then that.


Westernised Ming will devour the crap out of everything. No exceptions.
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Postby Herargon » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:33 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
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But is that enough? I'm not sure if Asia has 1001 provinces and their tech is just too shit to advance furhter then that.


Westernised Ming will devour the crap out of everything. No exceptions.


Westernised Byzantium having the old Eastern empire as of 395 + France.

Or: Roman empire westernised

Ottoman+france+germany = kill ming
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Postby IshCong » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:41 pm

Dain II Ironfoot wrote:
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The 1001 Achieve requires direct rule though. Wouldn't anything you take in the Americas flip over to CNs, so you'd only rule them indirectly? And you can't annex CNs either.
Now, HREmperor with the unlimited vassals and then diplo-annexation spam, that could work out pretty well too, I imagine.


You're right, i completely forgot about that, there ends my France idea....
What do you mean with the second part? Like Austria can have unlimited vassals?


Sorta.
Once you Revoke the Privilegia, all members of the HRE that don't take that opportunity to bolt (ie, all Imperial Princes who don't support the Reform I think) become vassals of the HREmperor. There is no limit to this type of vassals (other vassals count normally). Any subjects released within Imperial territory as Imperial Princes also become vassals of the HREmperor and don't count to relations limits. Build this up as high as you want, then hit Renovatio Imperii. All Imperial Princes are vassals, so they'll approve it, and boom, direct rule over all former vassals lands without spending time or points on diplo-annexations and cutting core costs down significantly by vassal formation and feeding.

I edit to add that Austria with regular vassals is stupid too. I mean, you get so many relations and so much reputation as Austria, especially with Diplomatic and Influence Ideas. You can take the -3 diplo rep hit from recent annexations and just shrug it off and annex another vassal and it'll still go fast.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:51 pm

Herargon wrote:
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Westernised Ming will devour the crap out of everything. No exceptions.


Westernised Byzantium having the old Eastern empire as of 395 + France.

Or: Roman empire westernised

Ottoman+france+germany = kill ming


Nope. Ming can out-manpower just about anything, and that is supposing a) that any of those nations exist, which with the exceptions of France and Grand Kebab, is unlikely, and b) that they'll ally to stop Ming.
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Postby Herargon » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:01 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
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Westernised Byzantium having the old Eastern empire as of 395 + France.

Or: Roman empire westernised

Ottoman+france+germany = kill ming


Nope. Ming can out-manpower just about anything, and that is supposing a) that any of those nations exist, which with the exceptions of France and Grand Kebab, is unlikely, and b) that they'll ally to stop Ming.


I'm fairly sure that not even Ming can stand a hand against a Prussia that composes of half the HRE, has a huge treasury and army, all while succeeding in keeping military tech high.
Not to mentiom their fortifications, national ideas and polcies.
Especially a Prussia with the Offensive, Defensive(?), Quality, Quantity, Aristocratic and such ideas would be destructive for Ming.
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Postby Bezombia » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:04 pm

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Nope. Ming can out-manpower just about anything, and that is supposing a) that any of those nations exist, which with the exceptions of France and Grand Kebab, is unlikely, and b) that they'll ally to stop Ming.


I'm fairly sure that not even Ming can stand a hand against a Prussia that composes of half the HRE, has a huge treasury and army, all while succeeding in keeping military tech high.
Not to mentiom their fortifications, national ideas and polcies.
Especially a Prussia with the Offensive, Defensive(?), Quality, Quantity, Aristocratic and such ideas would be destructive for Ming.


You can't take all those ideas in 1.10, though.
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:17 pm

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You're right, i completely forgot about that, there ends my France idea....
What do you mean with the second part? Like Austria can have unlimited vassals?


Sorta.
Once you Revoke the Privilegia, all members of the HRE that don't take that opportunity to bolt (ie, all Imperial Princes who don't support the Reform I think) become vassals of the HREmperor. There is no limit to this type of vassals (other vassals count normally). Any subjects released within Imperial territory as Imperial Princes also become vassals of the HREmperor and don't count to relations limits. Build this up as high as you want, then hit Renovatio Imperii. All Imperial Princes are vassals, so they'll approve it, and boom, direct rule over all former vassals lands without spending time or points on diplo-annexations and cutting core costs down significantly by vassal formation and feeding.

I edit to add that Austria with regular vassals is stupid too. I mean, you get so many relations and so much reputation as Austria, especially with Diplomatic and Influence Ideas. You can take the -3 diplo rep hit from recent annexations and just shrug it off and annex another vassal and it'll still go fast.


Hmm, i'll gonna read up on that more, it sounds like worth a shot, thanks :)

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But is that enough? I'm not sure if Asia has 1001 provinces and their tech is just too shit to advance furhter then that.


Westernised Ming will devour the crap out of everything. No exceptions.


Another option added.

Currently its either Poland, Ming or Austria.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:21 pm

Herargon wrote:
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Nope. Ming can out-manpower just about anything, and that is supposing a) that any of those nations exist, which with the exceptions of France and Grand Kebab, is unlikely, and b) that they'll ally to stop Ming.


I'm fairly sure that not even Ming can stand a hand against a Prussia that composes of half the HRE, has a huge treasury and army, all while succeeding in keeping military tech high.
Not to mentiom their fortifications, national ideas and polcies.
Especially a Prussia with the Offensive, Defensive(?), Quality, Quantity, Aristocratic and such ideas would be destructive for Ming.


You take all those ideas and your military tech will have so much lag it's unreal.
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Postby IshCong » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:36 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Herargon wrote:
I'm fairly sure that not even Ming can stand a hand against a Prussia that composes of half the HRE, has a huge treasury and army, all while succeeding in keeping military tech high.
Not to mentiom their fortifications, national ideas and polcies.
Especially a Prussia with the Offensive, Defensive(?), Quality, Quantity, Aristocratic and such ideas would be destructive for Ming.


You take all those ideas and your military tech will have so much lag it's unreal.


Aristocratic is also pretty trash. Any three of those others though, combined with Prussia's National Ideas, would be terrifying once Prussia got any decent manpower and forcelimits under it.
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Postby Bezombia » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:41 pm

ET + Custom Nations = a great big fuckfest.

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