The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra thread II: The Revenge

[Reploid Productions]

So guys, I found this really interesting theory that claims that Iroh was trying to sabotage zuko's quest for the avatar. For example, the white lotus tile. He claimed to have lost it, but couldn't find another one, and when the avatar got away, he "found" it in his sleeve. There's a few more examples besides that.

Not all that interesting, really. We know by the end what Iroh's real goals were- helping the Avatar, and helping Zuko straighten himself out. Quietly throwing a wrench in the works when possible whenever Zuko was getting a little too close to succeeding in going after Aang just makes sense.

[Rich and Corporations]

So guys, I found this really interesting theory that claims that Iroh was trying to sabotage zuko's quest for the avatar. For example, the white lotus tile. He claimed to have lost it, but couldn't find another one, and when the avatar got away, he "found" it in his sleeve. There's a few more examples besides that.

It's easy to overlook things like that.

It's safe to say that the Last Airbender had superior writing compared to many television shows. Secret societies, hidden agendas. Adds an extra dimension, allows for at least one rewatch.

[Reploid Productions]

So guys, I found this really interesting theory that claims that Iroh was trying to sabotage zuko's quest for the avatar. For example, the white lotus tile. He claimed to have lost it, but couldn't find another one, and when the avatar got away, he "found" it in his sleeve. There's a few more examples besides that.

It's easy to overlook things like that.

It's safe to say that the Last Airbender had superior writing compared to many television shows. Secret societies, hidden agendas. Adds an extra dimension, allows for at least one rewatch.

Easily. Virtually every time I've rewatched the series, I've caught something new that I hadn't noticed previously, little hints and foreshadowing and all sorts of stuff like that. Love it!

[United States of Natan]

It's easy to overlook things like that.

It's safe to say that the Last Airbender had superior writing compared to many television shows. Secret societies, hidden agendas. Adds an extra dimension, allows for at least one rewatch.

Easily. Virtually every time I've rewatched the series, I've caught something new that I hadn't noticed previously, little hints and foreshadowing and all sorts of stuff like that. Love it!

Yes, I have too. After watching "The Southern Raiders" again, I noticed that when Katara bloodbended their leader, Zuko's eyes widened in surprise.

I also noticed that in "The Ember Island Players" they foreshadowed Zuko's fight against Azula.

[New haven america]

It's easy to overlook things like that.

It's safe to say that the Last Airbender had superior writing compared to many television shows. Secret societies, hidden agendas. Adds an extra dimension, allows for at least one rewatch.

Easily. Virtually every time I've rewatched the series, I've caught something new that I hadn't noticed previously, little hints and foreshadowing and all sorts of stuff like that. Love it!

Well, that's what you get with a planned series, the creators already know how it's going to end, so they add a bunch of foreshadowing and Easter Eggs into the series.

Compare that to a spontaneous series, which just goes with the flow of what's going on and doesn't really have much foreshadowing (LoK for example).

[United States of Natan]

Easily. Virtually every time I've rewatched the series, I've caught something new that I hadn't noticed previously, little hints and foreshadowing and all sorts of stuff like that. Love it!

Well, that's what you get with a planned series, the creators already know how it's going to end, so they add a bunch of foreshadowing and Easter Eggs into the series.

Compare that to a spontaneous series, which goes with the flow of what's going on (LoK for example).

Well it was still a great show (ATLA, I didn't much care for LoK)

[Forsher]

Compare that to a spontaneous series, which just goes with the flow of what's going on and doesn't really have much foreshadowing (LoK for example).

I'm not sure. I think the four baddies all tied in well with each other in terms of "no-one needs the Avatar any more, Korra". Book Two not onlu stands up well on rewatch (Book Four... not so much, it already struggled with the isolation of Korra, the alleged lead, from the plot but this just gets more noticeable and you notice that Kuvira's a weaker villain than Unalaq* because the latter had the interesting spirit stuff in addition to the great uniter propaganda motivation) but makes it look like they had planned Korra's (well, the next Avatar's) arc out in ATLA (the no room for another statue thing). I think Kuvira also gets named in Book Three, so there's that too.

Um, I may have got a bit distracted there... the point is Book Four got a bit heavy handed (Wu republic) and maybe repetitive (Kuvira again) but LoK was very cohesive regardless of production problems.

*Which, sadly, contrasts with Zaheer (and Ghazan. Ghazan = villainous Bolin)**. Based on my recent rewatch, I would rank them 3, 1 and then probably 2 with 4 in fourth.

**I like to believe Ghazan faked his suicide and is now being too cool to live alive. I will deny all evidence to the contrary.

[New haven america]

Compare that to a spontaneous series, which just goes with the flow of what's going on and doesn't really have much foreshadowing (LoK for example).

I'm not sure. I think the four baddies all tied in well with each other in terms of "no-one needs the Avatar any more, Korra". Book Two not onlu stands up well on rewatch (Book Four... not so much, it already struggled with the isolation of Korra, the alleged lead, from the plot but this just gets more noticeable and you notice that Kuvira's a weaker villain than Unalaq* because the latter had the interesting spirit stuff in addition to the great uniter propaganda motivation) but makes it look like they had planned Korra's (well, the next Avatar's) arc out in ATLA (the no room for another statue thing). I think Kuvira also gets named in Book Three, so there's that too.

Um, I may have got a bit distracted there... the point is Book Four got a bit heavy handed (Wu republic) and maybe repetitive (Kuvira again) but LoK was very cohesive regardless of production problems.

*Which, sadly, contrasts with Zaheer (and Ghazan. Ghazan = villainous Bolin)**. Based on my recent rewatch, I would rank them 3, 1 and then probably 2 with 4 in fourth.

**I like to believe Ghazan faked his suicide and is now being too cool to live alive. I will deny all evidence to the contrary.

Having a recurring them doesn't mean the series was pre-planned, you can have completely unplanned story but still keep major themes and ideas throughout a series (Like the lessening role of the Avatar). Also, considering the creators already admitted that LoK was only supposed to be one season, and only made more after Nick pressed them into doing it, I think can be assumed that all four seasons were pre-planned during TLA.

Quicit side question: What do you mean season two holds up? If you mean that it still sucks, then I agree, but you seem to be rather positive when talking about it.

[Forsher]

Having a recurring them doesn't mean the series was pre-planned, you can have completely unplanned story but still keep major themes and ideas throughout a series (Like the lessening role of the Avatar). Also, considering the creators already admitted that LoK was only supposed to be one season, and only made more after Nick pressed them into doing it, I think can be assumed that all four seasons were pre-planned during TLA.

I know that. I'm saying that LoK is nicely coherent despite being made on the fly...

Quicit side question: What do you mean season two holds up? If you mean that it still sucks, then I agree, but you seem to be rather positive when talking about it.

It really doesn't.

All the complaints that people have about Book Two are true of Book Four, but Book Four lacks certain redeeming points... interesting politics, the Wan-stuff, the spirit stuff (vines aside)... and its redeeming points... Bolin, Varrick... are shared with Book Two. I just think that when you know what Book Three's about and how Book Two matters for Book Three, it works better than when you first watch Book Two. Book Four gets worse on rewatching it... not better.

Which reminds me... Season Two Bad Guy and Amon are easily the most powerful of the villains, but somehow lose in our poll?

[New haven america]

Having a recurring them doesn't mean the series was pre-planned, you can have completely unplanned story but still keep major themes and ideas throughout a series (Like the lessening role of the Avatar). Also, considering the creators already admitted that LoK was only supposed to be one season, and only made more after Nick pressed them into doing it, I think can be assumed that all four seasons were pre-planned during TLA.

I know that. I'm saying that LoK is nicely coherent despite being made on the fly...

Quicit side question: What do you mean season two holds up? If you mean that it still sucks, then I agree, but you seem to be rather positive when talking about it.

It really doesn't.

All the complaints that people have about Book Two are true of Book Four, but Book Four lacks certain redeeming points... interesting politics, the Wan-stuff, the spirit stuff (vines aside)... and its redeeming points... Bolin, Varrick... are shared with Book Two. I just think that when you know what Book Three's about and how Book Two matters for Book Three, it works better than when you first watch Book Two. Book Four gets worse on rewatching it... not better.

Which reminds me... Season Two Bad Guy and Amon are easily the most powerful of the villains, but somehow lose in our poll?

Yes, parts of it were well done, however, my point stands, they picked a theme and rolled with it.

No, Book 2 was awful. Korra was a bitch for no reason most of the time, Lin was an idiot, Unalaq was boring, the politics were meh, pointless Korra-Mako relationship drama, the list goes on. The only real redeeming qualities were Bolin, Varrick, and Wan, but the bad outweighed the good by far.

[The Krogan]

That moment when you realize the majority of the Christmas list you gave family members consists of Avatar stuff....

[Immoren]

So I was rewatching Korra through Blindwave's react and my brain started to tingle that was that giant mech in the last season of Korra meant to be homage to the War of the Worlds, or is my brain making connections that aren’t there.

[Rich and Corporations]

No art or humor is original, it is all based on prior art or experience.

[Forsher]

So I was rewatching Korra through Blindwave's react and my brain started to tingle that was that giant mech in the last season of Korra meant to be homage to the War of the Worlds, or is my brain making connections that aren’t there.

No idea.

Honestly, I tried to watch some non-Bolin/Varrick scenes last time I looked at Book Four and... I just couldn't do that to myself.* But I guess watching other people watch something might shake things up. It's a bit like watching the commentary on a DVD and I've done that before. And now that I've made this post I might remember this idea.

*My primary purpose was to watch their arcs specifically so that does come into play here, but if you read through these threads you know even first time around I wasn't really buying into Book Four as a whole.

[Olthar]

I finally got around to watching these shows. (It was actually a few months ago, but I didn't know this thread existed.) I'd say they were good, but not great. The lore was amazing, the characters were decent to good, and the writing was sloppy and cliché. Over all, they were good for kids' shows, but they don't stand out.


As an aside, if I were to rate the books from best to worst, I'd go Balance, Change, Fire, Air, Earth, Spirit, Water. Fight me. I know you want to.

[Ameriganastan]

I finally got around to watching these shows. (It was actually a few months ago, but I didn't know this thread existed.) I'd say they were good, but not great. The lore was amazing, the characters were decent to good, and the writing was sloppy and cliché. Over all, they were good for kids' shows, but they don't stand out.


As an aside, if I were to rate the books from best to worst, I'd go Balance, Change, Fire, Air, Earth, Spirit, Water. Fight me. I know you want to.

Well it was dead for 2 years. Easy thread to miss.

[Olthar]

I finally got around to watching these shows. (It was actually a few months ago, but I didn't know this thread existed.) I'd say they were good, but not great. The lore was amazing, the characters were decent to good, and the writing was sloppy and cliché. Over all, they were good for kids' shows, but they don't stand out.


As an aside, if I were to rate the books from best to worst, I'd go Balance, Change, Fire, Air, Earth, Spirit, Water. Fight me. I know you want to.

Well it was dead for 2 years. Easy thread to miss.

I also don't tend to browse this sub forum often.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I finally got around to watching these shows. (It was actually a few months ago, but I didn't know this thread existed.) I'd say they were good, but not great. The lore was amazing, the characters were decent to good, and the writing was sloppy and cliché. Over all, they were good for kids' shows, but they don't stand out.


As an aside, if I were to rate the books from best to worst, I'd go Balance, Change, Fire, Air, Earth, Spirit, Water. Fight me. I know you want to.

I didn't know this thread was a thing either. I watched the shows over the last month or so and I think I disagree with everything you said. I thought the worldbuilding was largely simple and generic, most the characters were great to brilliant, and the writing was generally excellent. I thought they were wonderful shows for kids or anyone else and I'll definitely be rewatching them at some point.

I'd tentatively rate the books Earth, Fire, Balance, Change, Water, Spirit, Air.

[The Green M and M]

Did Korra super bang Asami with her avatar powers?

[Impaled Nazarene]

Anyone see MysteriousMrEnter's korra season 1 review? Only person to rip season 1 more than 2

[Ameriganastan]

Anyone see MysteriousMrEnter's korra season 1 review? Only person to rip season 1 more than 2

No. Cause that guy is an annoying tool.

[The Green M and M]

What really happened to Zaheer? He just became superman and pissed off after all his friends were dead.

[Olthar]

Anyone see MysteriousMrEnter's korra season 1 review? Only person to rip season 1 more than 2

I have no idea who that is, and I don't care.

[Ameriganastan]

Anyone see MysteriousMrEnter's korra season 1 review? Only person to rip season 1 more than 2

I have no idea who that is, and I don't care.

He's a crappy reviewer who acts like everything personally offends him.

[The Green M and M]

Did Aang bet blood bent into the morgue?