The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra thread II: The Revenge

[Schwabenreich]

Power vacuum, revanchism, martyred ruler, Korra is going to have a fun shock after her vacation.

[United States of Natan]

Probably hard to run for office while still in prison.

South African Nelson Mandela. American Eugene V. Debs

On an unrelated note, the whole "Earth Kingdom/Republic land dispute" remains unresolved. The slain queen wanted them back, Kuvira wants them back, the public in the comic books wanted them back. Is this some sort of Argentina-Falkland/Malvina situation where the schools and culture teach the kids to believe without a doubt that the land is rightfully of the Earth Nation?

You know, what if Eugene V. Debs had won? would he be let out of prison?

[Capisaria]

I get the strangest feeling that as part of the transition to democracy, there will be summits between the Earth Kingdom and the United Republic to resolve any lasting disputes.

Considering several train lines were opened between Books 3 and 4 I think the general populaces of both nations don't care too much.

[Jaslandia]

On an unrelated note, the whole "Earth Kingdom/Republic land dispute" remains unresolved. The slain queen wanted them back, Kuvira wants them back, the public in the comic books wanted them back. Is this some sort of Argentina-Falkland/Malvina situation where the schools and culture teach the kids to believe without a doubt that the land is rightfully of the Earth Nation?

I'm hoping the actions of Kuvira will cause people to associate the whole "United Republic is Earth Kingdom" thing with fascism and tyranny, thus causing less people to support that cause.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

And also hopefully one the Earth Kingdom has democracy, they will elect Wu as king, restoring the monarchy forever and ever and ever.

[Ameriganastan]

And also hopefully one the Earth Kingdom has democracy, they will elect Wu as king, restoring the monarchy forever and ever and ever.

...I don't think you're quite grasping the whole "Abolish the monarchy" thing.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

And also hopefully one the Earth Kingdom has democracy, they will elect Wu as king, restoring the monarchy forever and ever and ever.

...I don't think you're quite grasping the whole "Abolish the monarchy" thing.

I'm grasping at straws is what I'm doing because an Earth Republic is the worst thing ever

[Laerod]

...I don't think you're quite grasping the whole "Abolish the monarchy" thing.

I'm grasping at straws is what I'm doing because an Earth Republic is the worst thing ever

Earth Republics.

[United States of Natan]

...I don't think you're quite grasping the whole "Abolish the monarchy" thing.

I'm grasping at straws is what I'm doing because an Earth Republic is the worst thing ever

You are starting to sound like me with Korrasami.

I wonder, what would have happened if Zaheer had succeeded in ending the Cycle? both Raava and Vaatu would have been destroyed, meaning neither could have been reborn out of the other one. So would both be gone for good?

[The IASM]

I'm grasping at straws is what I'm doing because an Earth Republic is the worst thing ever

Earth Republics.

Cue Chin the conqueror reborn.

[Laerod]

Earth Republics.

Cue Chin the conqueror reborn.

An evil earthbending Avatar would be a rather interesting way to continue the setting.

[The IASM]

Cue Chin the conqueror reborn.

An evil earthbending Avatar would be a rather interesting way to continue the setting.

Who happens to be the child of Kuvira and Bataar Jr.

[Laerod]

An evil earthbending Avatar would be a rather interesting way to continue the setting.

Who happens to be the child of Kuvira and Bataar Jr.

You really wanna kill Korra that young?

[Charellia]

Cue Chin the conqueror reborn.

An evil earthbending Avatar would be a rather interesting way to continue the setting.

I would love to see that. It seems kind of strange that every single Avatar has been good and benevolent.

[Laerod]

An evil earthbending Avatar would be a rather interesting way to continue the setting.

I would love to see that. It seems kind of strange that every single Avatar has been good and benevolent.

Makes sense if you consider that Raava was part of them the whole time. Still, they can make their own decisions and the avatar state is somewhat of a wildcard as well.

[Charellia]

I would love to see that. It seems kind of strange that every single Avatar has been good and benevolent.

Makes sense if you consider that Raava was part of them the whole time. Still, they can make their own decisions and the avatar state is somewhat of a wildcard as well.

Zaheer had even planned to kidnap Korra and raise her as an evil Avatar. Even if Raava does give them some inherent goodness the Avatar is obviously still corruptible. I would love to see how the world would deal with an evil one, especially in the post-Korra era where the Avatar's necessity is still in question.

[Ameriganastan]

But then there's the past lives. If Zaheer kidnapped Korra and raised her bad, her past lives would probably find some way to set her straight.

[The IASM]

But then there's the past lives. If Zaheer kidnapped Korra and raised her bad, her past lives would probably find some way to set her straight.

Raava however isn't good, it is order which it supports and not "good". So an evil avatar is still possible.

Edit: That also means that some of the pass lives could have been not particularly good either and that avatar doesn't exactly need to listen to them.

[United States of Natan]

Makes sense if you consider that Raava was part of them the whole time. Still, they can make their own decisions and the avatar state is somewhat of a wildcard as well.

Zaheer had even planned to kidnap Korra and raise her as an evil Avatar. Even if Raava does give them some inherent goodness the Avatar is obviously still corruptible. I would love to see how the world would deal with an evil one, especially in the post-Korra era where the Avatar's necessity is still in question.

The Avatar is certainly corruptible before they can make contact with raava; inherent goodness isn't enough to stop the Avatar from thinking what they are doing is good. However, Raava and the Avatar's past lives can help set them on the right path. That's one of the whole points of the Avatar's journey, remember? To master the 4 elements, understand the right path, and understand what it means to be the Avatar. Avatars have certainly faltered in the past. As Avatars Kuruk, Kyoshi, Roku, Aang, Korra and Yangchen have all stated, they have made mistakes during their lives they wished they could reverse. Avatar Yangchen struck a deal with General Old Iron to celebrate the spirits and tried to have the Air Nomads preserve land, when their demise caused resettlement, and put humanity in peril once again. Avatar Kuruk was too laid back, and did not take his job as Avatar seriously. As a result, Koh kidnapped his wife, and he had to spend their anniversary searching for her. Avatar Kyoshi created the Dai Li, which later became the infamous secret cultural police of Ba Sing Se, and then of the Fire Princess, Azula. Avatar Roku was to indecisive, and failed to kill Fire Lord Sozin when he had the chance, starting the Hundred Year War. Avatar Aang ran away from home, causing the war to last 100 years and the near destruction of the world. Avatar Korra, well her mistake, I haven't yet pinpointed. As for the Avatar being corruptible, Kuvira probably would've killed Korra, and since the next nation in the cycle is the earth empire, probably would have found the next avatar, and attempted to corrupt him or her, being successful until the Avatar made contact with his/her past lives, specifically Korra, Aang, Roku, and Kyoshi, and also Raava, and would've realized what a monster Kuvira was, and then would've fought her. The Avatar is corruptible, but is able to be set on the right path thanks to his/her past lives.

But then there's the past lives. If Zaheer kidnapped Korra and raised her bad, her past lives would probably find some way to set her straight.

Raava however isn't good, it is order which it supports and not "good". So an evil avatar is still possible.

Edit: That also means that some of the pass lives could have been not particularly good either and that avatar doesn't exactly need to listen to them.

Raava represents light; in other words, good. However, this is not to say the Avatar cannot be corrupted by a person with bad intentions, or good intentions but bad methods.

[Forsher]

Who happens to be the child of Kuvira and Bataar Jr.

You really wanna kill Korra that young?

I thought her dying in the final would've worked (better, arguably, than her living), so, I wouldn't be opposed. Despite everything that has happened, though, I think it is still in Korra's nature to be the sort of Avatar that you can imagine dying young. Albeit not within the next nine months or so, which I guess would mean that somehow Bataar Jr. would have to forgive Kuvira for trying to blow him up.

[Capisaria]

I really like the Earth Kingdom's dissolution. The cities and areas already seem to have a large amount of autonomy. Remove the archaic and unfair monarchies and shift to a democratic state, and then the only two modern nations can have a continent all to themselves.

Everyone's acting like OH NO KORRA'S ON VACATION I mean I don't think they're gone for a year they'll be back in like a week or two, and Korra will immediately begin working with King Wu to democratize the Earth Kingdom.

[Laerod]

As for the Avatar being corruptible, Kuvira probably would've killed Korra, and since the next nation in the cycle is the earth empire, probably would have found the next avatar, and attempted to corrupt him or her, being successful until the Avatar made contact with his/her past lives, specifically Korra, Aang, Roku, and Kyoshi, and also Raava, and would've realized what a monster Kuvira was, and then would've fought her. The Avatar is corruptible, but is able to be set on the right path thanks to his/her past lives.

Except it would only be Korra. Not to mention Aang had to contact his past lives personally and often only after great difficulty (and THEN he rejected their advice). There's bound to have been some kind of limit as to how much influence past lives had.

[Reploid Productions]

As for the Avatar being corruptible, Kuvira probably would've killed Korra, and since the next nation in the cycle is the earth empire, probably would have found the next avatar, and attempted to corrupt him or her, being successful until the Avatar made contact with his/her past lives, specifically Korra, Aang, Roku, and Kyoshi, and also Raava, and would've realized what a monster Kuvira was, and then would've fought her. The Avatar is corruptible, but is able to be set on the right path thanks to his/her past lives.

Except it would only be Korra. Not to mention Aang had to contact his past lives personally and often only after great difficulty (and THEN he rejected their advice). There's bound to have been some kind of limit as to how much influence past lives had.

True, but you could reasonably argue that those experiences from those past lives may have some (extremely subtle) subconscious effects on the current incarnation, even without directly communicating with those prior lives. Remember, the Air Nomads successfully determined that Aang was the next Avatar based on the toys he had chosen to play with as a child, citing those preferences as coming from a subconscious recollection from one or more of his past lives.

Sure, the next Avatar is only going to have Korra to consult, but Korra has at least some additional knowledge from her limited communications with past Avatars from before the link was broken, plus whatever subconscious influence those lost incarnations had on her makeup. The direct link may have been severed, but through Korra there's still a multitude of indirect links.

And who knows? Maybe we'll get sequel comics where she finds a way to fix that broken connection entirely. (And even if we don't get a canon version of that, you know there's going to be about a billion fanfics and such that come up with ways it could happen.)

[Forsher]

Korra knows the two most important things. Taking away bending and how the cycle started in the first place. She's also well placed in having, in her lifetime, encountered four quite different threats. I personally think the new cycle should stay in place and I think that the fact she knows those two things means they have no intention of restoring the old lives.

[Ameriganastan]