The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra thread II: The Revenge

by **Ardoki** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:10 pm

Guadalupador wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Does anyone think the cabbage seller was behind everything we saw on both shows?

no.

How much is Cabbage Corp paying you?! ;P

Stonok wrote:If the whole purpose of defeating Ozai was to keep the four nations in balance, doesn't the foundation of Republic City kind of take the umph out of ATLA?

The United Republic is Earth Empire territory. After World War II Germans weren't allowed to keep all of the territory they invaded and occupied, they were returned to their original owners. I don't see how not returning Earth territory to the Earth Kingdom was acceptable.

by **Guadalupador** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:12 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Guadalupador wrote:no.

How much is Cabbage Corp paying you?! ;P

Didn't know George Soros was the Cabbage Man. He's paying me a lot, thank you.

by **Olthar** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:47 pm

Stonok wrote:If the whole purpose of defeating Ozai was to keep the four nations in balance, doesn't the foundation of Republic City kind of take the umph out of ATLA?

No. Republic City isn't a part of any of the nations it's a neutral ~~third~~ fifth party. Its existence does not tip the balance any which way.

by **Forsher** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:01 am

Stonok wrote:If the whole purpose of defeating Ozai was to keep the four nations in balance, doesn't the foundation of Republic City kind of take the umph out of ATLA?

It's name is Republic City, it's a very on the nose name. LoK is republican propaganda. No, seriously, it is. Ever read His Dark Materials? Republic City is just the Republic of Heaven. Same ideas.

Ardoki wrote:The United Republic is Earth Empire territory. After World War II Germans weren't allowed to keep all of the territory they invaded and occupied, they were returned to their original owners. I don't see how not returning Earth territory to the Earth Kingdom was acceptable.

Have you read the comics?

See also: Poland's existence and ownership of Prussia.

by **Stonok** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:12 pm

The way the comics phrase RC's founding just seems to turn everything on its head. It pretty much ends with Aang deciding the separation of the four nations is just outdated tradition, even though he literally fought to make sure the Fire Nation didn't end the separation by absorbing all nations.

I get the point that its a third party, but the principles it represents don't seem compatible with the Avatar's primary reasoning for becoming involved in the Hundred Years War.

by **Olthar** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:27 pm

Stonok wrote:The way the comics phrase RC's founding just seems to turn everything on its head. It pretty much ends with Aang deciding the separation of the four nations is just outdated tradition, even though he literally fought to make sure the Fire Nation didn't end the separation by absorbing all nations.

I get the point that its a third party, but the principles it represents don't seem compatible with the Avatar's primary reasoning for becoming involved in the Hundred Years War.

Aang wasn't stopping unification; he was stopping conquest and genocide. The Fire Nation wasn't trying to join together with the other nations in equality and hand holding. They were trying to destroy and conquer the other nations. That's why the Air Nomads were extinct instead of allies.

by **Stonok** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:37 pm

Olthar wrote:
Stonok wrote:The way the comics phrase RC's founding just seems to turn everything on its head. It pretty much ends with Aang deciding the separation of the four nations is just outdated tradition, even though he literally fought to make sure the Fire Nation didn't end the separation by absorbing all nations.

I get the point that its a third party, but the principles it represents don't seem compatible with the Avatar's primary reasoning for becoming involved in the Hundred Years War.

Aang wasn't stopping unification; he was stopping conquest and genocide. The Fire Nation wasn't trying to join together with the other nations in equality and hand holding. They were trying to destroy and conquer the other nations. That's why the Air Nomads were extinct instead of allies.

He was, though. Genocide and conquering were major factors of course, but the theme and term always used was "keep balance between the four nations". Roku opposed Sozin on the basis of the four nations being "just that, four." As well.

by **Olthar** » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:59 pm

Stonok wrote:
Olthar wrote:Aang wasn't stopping unification; he was stopping conquest and genocide. The Fire Nation wasn't trying to join together with the other nations in equality and hand holding. They were trying to destroy and conquer the other nations. That's why the Air Nomads were extinct instead of allies.

He was, though. Genocide and conquering were major factors of course, but the theme and term always used was "keep balance between the four nations". Roku opposed Sozin on the basis of the four nations being "just that, four." As well.

And how, exactly, does creating a fifth, neutral nation upset that?

by **Kohr** » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:18 am

Olthar wrote:
Stonok wrote:He was, though. Genocide and conquering were major factors of course, but the theme and term always used was "keep balance between the four nations". Roku opposed Sozin on the basis of the four nations being "just that, four." As well.

And how, exactly, does creating a fifth, neutral nation upset that?

I agree with this. The four nations still retained self-rule with the creation of the United Republic, while creating a platform for international cooperation.

by **Maichuko** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:37 pm

I binge watched season 3 and 4 of Korra after not watching the show since season 2 came out. Varrick is the best. Also the show was better than I remembered.

by **Maichuko** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:41 am

I hope to god they have a decent effects budget for that live action netflix show. Every animal in that universe is a Hybrid, its seems easier to do that kind of thing in animation than live action. The effects will either be hilariously bad for some creatures or creepy as hell. Actually spider-rats would be creepy either way.

by **Ameriganastan** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:35 am

...Live action? Did we learn nothing from the Shamalan movie?

by **Ardoki** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:09 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:...Live action? Did we learn nothing from the Shamalan movie?

Netflix didn't.

by **Forsher** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:41 pm

I, too, am sceptical.

If they did it right, it would probably allow for an expansion of the audience... there are still those who refuse to entertain the animated.

by **Reploid Productions** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:49 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:...Live action? Did we learn nothing from the Shamalan movie?

Yeah, seriously. I am intrigued and terrified. Intrigued because if done right and with a decent effects budget, ATLA is something that could work very well in live action. Terrified because.... well, we know how the last attempt turned out.

by **Ardoki** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:51 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:...Live action? Did we learn nothing from the Shamalan movie?

Yeah, seriously. I am intrigued and terrified. Intrigued because if done right and with a decent effects budget, ATLA is something that could work very well in live action. Terrified because.... well, we know how the last attempt turned out.

I really doubt It'll get the budget it needs. Even Game of Thrones had trouble affording the special effects for the dragons.

by **Platypus Bureaucracy** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:07 am

Maichuko wrote:I hope to god they have a decent effects budget for that live action netflix show. Every animal in that universe is a Hybrid, its seems easier to do that kind of thing in animation than live action. The effects will either be hilariously bad for some creatures or creepy as hell. Actually spider-rats would be creepy either way.

Bring on the live-action platypus-bears!

But, yeah, I'm not optimistic about any of this.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:49 pm

Hey guys, someone wrote a draft for an ATLA (Ba Sing Se) inspired issue: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=456864

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:51 pm

So, who's ready to start using this thread again, now that the live-action series is coming?!

by **Ameriganastan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:14 pm

United States of Natan wrote:So, who's ready to start using this thread again, now that the live-action series is coming?!

You assume anyone is gonna watch it...

by **Platypus Bureaucracy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:33 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:So, who's ready to start using this thread again, now that the live-action series is coming?!

You assume anyone is gonna watch it...

If you can continue to subject yourself to the slow-motion car crash that is Arrow on a weekly basis, you can at least watch a couple of episodes to see if the live-action is the trainwreck we all expect.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:36 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:You assume anyone is gonna watch it...

If you can continue to subject yourself to the slow-motion car crash that is Arrow on a weekly basis, you can at least watch a couple of episodes to see if the live-action is the trainwreck we all expect.

I don't think the live action series will be as bad as everyone says. Mike and Bryan are heavily involved in it, and the problem with the Movie That Shall Not Be Named wasn't that it was live-action, but rather that it had an extremely crappy director/producer. Had literally anyone else directed/produced it, it would've been 100x better.

As for Arrow, I agree 100%. I can't even watch this season, because it's gone entirely off the rails. It's literally never been worse.

by **Ameriganastan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:48 pm

Since you both seem to have forgotten, let me remind you that we've been down the live action Avatar road before.

Not doing it again.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:03 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Since you both seem to have forgotten, let me remind you that we've been down the live action Avatar road before.
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Not doing it again.

That's cool, just ignore everything I said literally in the previous tweet.

Like I said, the problem with it WASN'T that it was live action. The actual PROBLEM was the DIRECTOR. M. Night Shayamalan isn't involved in this new show, and better yet, Mike and Bryan ARE.

by **Reploid Productions** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:25 pm

I figure I am extremely cautiously optimistic about the live action series. As noted previously, the movie's main issue was M. Night Shayamalan. Avatar is something that could work quite well in a live-action format, especially given the level of effort that went into the original's action choreography; much of the action from the cartoon could work quite well as basically live-action martial arts supplemented with CGI for the bending effects. I think a really big indicator of whether or not it has a chance will be once we get some casting information. The Avatar world is very visibly diverse in ethnicity, and if the live action show's cast is appropriately diverse, I think that will be a positive sign.

But yeeeah. Once burned, twice shy. I'm willing to give it a try, but I am not particularly getting my hopes up.

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