The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra thread II: The Revenge

[The first Galactic Republic]

Book 4 was awesome. Good villain, good finale, this. Very enjoyable.

That is my main hesitation about watching Korra. I am quite right-wing and I am concerned that the show is meant to alienate rightists. Tell me this is not true.

All they do is look at each other.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Have you even seen Avatar? This seems like a pointless discussion, otherwise.

As for alienating rightists, that depends on how oversensitive the rightist is. If the absence of white people or 60 seconds of unambiguous lesbianism is a problem, then maybe the show isn't for you. I doubt it was "meant to alienate" you, though.

I have seen a little bit of the original show. It looked politically neutral. I was just wondering if Korra was promoting social democracy or other similar ideologies.

I don't think you could say that the show promotes any particular ideology, and the only thing it consistently opposes is violent extremism.

[The Krogan]

Why is Ozai so high in the polls? I mean of all the final bosses he is definitely not the most powerful bender nor probably even the smartest. If I remember correctly the only time we ever really see him fight is in the finale when hes hopped up on comet mojo.

[Ameriganastan]

Why is Ozai so high in the polls? I mean of all the final bosses he is definitely not the most powerful bender nor probably even the smartest. If I remember correctly the only time we ever really see him fight is in the finale when hes hopped up on comet mojo.

That poll has been there for like 2 years...

[The Krogan]

Why is Ozai so high in the polls? I mean of all the final bosses he is definitely not the most powerful bender nor probably even the smartest. If I remember correctly the only time we ever really see him fight is in the finale when hes hopped up on comet mojo.

That poll has been there for like 2 years...

Hah well shit, I imagine this had probably already been discussed then.

[New haven america]

Book 4 was awesome. Good villain, good finale, this. Very enjoyable.

That is my main hesitation about watching Korra. I am quite right-wing and I am concerned that the show is meant to alienate rightists. Tell me this is not true.

...

Yes, it was made to alienate and paint right wingers and the most evil beings on the planet.

[Olthar]

Book 4 was awesome. Good villain, good finale, this. Very enjoyable.

That is my main hesitation about watching Korra. I am quite right-wing and I am concerned that the show is meant to alienate rightists. Tell me this is not true.

If you're so sensitive that you can't bear to watch something that doesn't conform exactly to your beliefs, then you should probably stick to Veggie Tales and leave the real cartoons alone. It's entertainment, not ideology masturbation.

[Forsher]

I mean, the set up for Korrasami is so badly done if you switched the programme off just after the last battle, you wouldn't even notice that Korrasami was a thing.

Oh please. There were plenty of hints. That car ride, the letters while she was away that she sent only to Asami, that stupidly adorable blush...

I know from when this show still ran that we're not going to agree on this. Also, even if I had the time I wouldn't force the non-Bolin parts of Book Four on my sensitive eyes just to get the context for that blush (hell, I may have already disputed that in the past... I did with the letters).

That poll has been there for like 2 years...

Hah well shit, I imagine this had probably already been discussed then.

The poll is crazy wrong anyway.

As I have said may times "season 2 bad guy" is vastly more powerful than the other contenders... although, that's if we restrict things to UnaVaatu; if you understand Vaatu or Unalaq to be the bad guy things get a bit more complex.

That being said, in Ozai's defence, he does have a massive army at his control the entire time we know him... but even fired up by the Comet, Amon still takes him out because he hasn't got an Avatar state (unless water bending and hence blood bending is seriously nerfed by the comet) and likewise everyone else (except, I argue, UnaVaatu).

[Northern Mexico]

That is my main hesitation about watching Korra. I am quite right-wing and I am concerned that the show is meant to alienate rightists. Tell me this is not true.

If you're so sensitive that you can't bear to watch something that doesn't conform exactly to your beliefs, then you should probably stick to Veggie Tales and leave the real cartoons alone. It's entertainment, not ideology masturbation.

I do not even watch right-wing cartoons. I just do not want to cringe while watching Korra if it truly does have a democratic socialist message. I tend to dislike democratic socialism more than I dislike other ideologies.

[The Krogan]

If you're so sensitive that you can't bear to watch something that doesn't conform exactly to your beliefs, then you should probably stick to Veggie Tales and leave the real cartoons alone. It's entertainment, not ideology masturbation.

I do not even watch right-wing cartoons. I just do not want to cringe while watching Korra if it truly does have a democratic socialist message. I tend to dislike democratic socialism more than I dislike other ideologies.

What gave you this impression in the first place? That the show was pushing a socialist agenda.

[Northern Mexico]

I do not even watch right-wing cartoons. I just do not want to cringe while watching Korra if it truly does have a democratic socialist message. I tend to dislike democratic socialism more than I dislike other ideologies.

What gave you this impression in the first place? That the show was pushing a socialist agenda.

It seems to attack tankie socialism, anarchism, and fascism while promoting a democratic socialist utopia that the United Republic of Nations.

[Ameriganastan]

Oh my God dude, it's an effing cartoon. Watch it or don't.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

What gave you this impression in the first place? That the show was pushing a socialist agenda.

It seems to attack tankie socialism, anarchism, and fascism while promoting a democratic socialist utopia that the United Republic of Nations.

There's nothing particularly socialist about the United Republic. It's more like '20s America than anything else.

Oh my God dude, it's an effing cartoon. Watch it or don't.

Also, what he said. You could have binge-watched and formed your own opinion of the show in the time you've spent worrying that you might dislike elements of it.

[Reploid Productions]

Oh my God dude, it's an effing cartoon. Watch it or don't.

Also, what he said. You could have binge-watched and formed your own opinion of the show in the time you've spent worrying that you might dislike elements of it.

^ This. Both of them.

[Northern Mexico]

Someone said to me that they do not like The Legend of Korra because there is too much witchcraft. Is that a valid reason not to like the show?

[Ameriganastan]

Someone said to me that they do not like The Legend of Korra because there is too much witchcraft. Is that a valid reason not to like the show?

...Okay, I think this guy is screwing with us.

[Reploid Productions]

Someone said to me that they do not like The Legend of Korra because there is too much witchcraft. Is that a valid reason not to like the show?

You're still Delete-On-Sight, Weselton/RSSS. Go away.

[Ardoki]

Does anyone think the cabbage seller was behind everything we saw on both shows?

[The Krogan]

Does anyone think the cabbage seller was behind everything we saw on both shows?

That would be some Darth Jar Jar level theory.

[Forsher]

Does anyone think the cabbage seller was behind everything we saw on both shows?

That would be some Darth Jar Jar level theory.

To be fair, Cabbage Corp was either implicated in or framed in Korra Book One (Two?).

Having refreshed by memory, it was Book One and they were framed. This, however, makes sense. They produced an inferior product... a fact that would be concealed with a suitably fake scandal.

In Book Two, getting Varrick's out of the way would free up some market share so you could believe that they had played a long game to make sure Varrick was political. They then lucked out when Varrick's schemes really complicated Future Industries' recovery from their legitimate scandal.

In Book Three... it was necessary to get rid of the Earth Queen because their inferior quality product needed forgetting again. Throwing the world into chaos would obscure the underlying cause of the breakdown of law and order, i.e. inferior technology, and from their vantage point in Republic City they could ride out said chaos.

In Book Four... I suppose Cabbage Corp agents reached out to Kuvira to try and get some military contracts. She makes a great target because as a former resident of Zaofu she'd be relatively unaware of Cabbage Corp's reputation.

Okay, so the problem is essentially how they'd do this but it makes sense. And Cabbage Corp would be big enough that they could have the reach to achieve this stuff. But how about the cabbage merchant's humble beginnings?

A long time ago in a galaxy far... er... Fire Lord Sozin back when times were good is visiting Omashu just for kicks and finds a humble purveyor of cabbages and thinks, "In the Fire Nation no-one has to eat cabbages..."

It all makes sense.

[Pilarcraft]

That would be some Darth Jar Jar level theory.

To be fair, Cabbage Corp was either implicated in or framed in Korra Book One (Two?).

Having refreshed by memory, it was Book One and they were framed. This, however, makes sense. They produced an inferior product... a fact that would be concealed with a suitably fake scandal.

In Book Two, getting Varrick's out of the way would free up some market share so you could believe that they had played a long game to make sure Varrick was political. They then lucked out when Varrick's schemes really complicated Future Industries' recovery from their legitimate scandal.

In Book Three... it was necessary to get rid of the Earth Queen because their inferior quality product needed forgetting again. Throwing the world into chaos would obscure the underlying cause of the breakdown of law and order, i.e. inferior technology, and from their vantage point in Republic City they could ride out said chaos.

In Book Four... I suppose Cabbage Corp agents reached out to Kuvira to try and get some military contracts. She makes a great target because as a former resident of Zaofu she'd be relatively unaware of Cabbage Corp's reputation.

Okay, so the problem is essentially how they'd do this but it makes sense. And Cabbage Corp would be big enough that they could have the reach to achieve this stuff. But how about the cabbage merchant's humble beginnings?

A long time ago in a galaxy far... er... Fire Lord Sozin back when times were good is visiting Omashu just for kicks and finds a humble purveyor of cabbages and thinks, "In the Fire Nation no-one has to eat cabbages..."

It all makes sense.

My favorite Cabbage merchant fan theory was the one from Embers (one of the many things I loved from that story, despite its... controversial status)

[Guadalupador]

Does anyone think the cabbage seller was behind everything we saw on both shows?

no.

[Baltenstein]

It seems to attack tankie socialism, anarchism, and fascism while promoting a democratic socialist utopia that the United Republic of Nations.

There's nothing particularly socialist about the United Republic. It's more like '20s America than anything else.

The bad guys are arguably communists (Season 1), religious fundamentalists (Season 2), anarchists (Season 3), and fascists (Season 4).
Capitalism (aka Varrick) was kinda a bad guy too at first, but he became good later on. Same thing with Hiroshi Sato.
And I agree, there's really nothing Socialist about the United Republic or the Avatar herself.

[Stonok]

If the whole purpose of defeating Ozai was to keep the four nations in balance, doesn't the foundation of Republic City kind of take the umph out of ATLA?

[Guadalupador]

If the whole purpose of defeating Ozai was to keep the four nations in balance, doesn't the foundation of Republic City kind of take the umph out of ATLA?

not if you think of the foundation of the United Republic of Nations as a successor to the Air Nation or something like that, since Sozin wiped out the Air Nomads there were only three peoples/systems for like a century.