Star Wars: Debate Thread

[Bearon]

Sorry Sidious has been canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History and through EU feats has proved he is the second most powerful force user after GM Luke Skywalker.

Umm, Revan.

Naga Sadow.

Marka Ragnos.

I can go on.

You may as not a single person you listed is more powerful then Sidious.

[United States Kingdom]

Lightsaber styles are important. Form I isn't going to cut it against Palpatine, even if Kit Fisto is really good at it.

Lightsaber styles are important but the difference in Form VII and Form I aren't so large that a Form VII practitioner would be able to survive nearly 100 times longer then a Form I practioner on a similar if lesser tier.

It's a valid point to bring up when talking about how powerful characters are and who would win in a fight that never happened.

The consensus on the Sidious vs Mace fight is what I've stated and those that disagree are seen as little more then Windu fanboys. Don't tell me you're one.

Kit Fisto literally got his head cut off in a few seconds of fighting Palpatine.

Which simply strengthens my belief that Sidious played with Mace for the entirety of their duel given Fisto's own skill level.

The only reason why Kit Fisto was beaten by Palpatine was because the lightsaber form he uses Form I: Shii-Choo is specialized against multiple opponents, not one and it is wild and aggressive and doesn't have a calm nature. You may say that I am wrong and use a piece of evidence like Kit Fisto vs Grievous in where Kit Fisto defeated Grievous but Griveous had multiple weapons which Shii Choo can battle against because multiple opponents have multiple weapons

[United States Kingdom]

Sorry Sidious has been canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History and through EU feats has proved he is the second most powerful force user after GM Luke Skywalker.

Umm, Revan.

Naga Sadow.

Marka Ragnos.

I can go on.

Can Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and Revan be able to summon a force storm which devours worlds? Nop. Can they be able to master all lightsaber forms to their highest profiency? Nop Can they be able to defeat Grand Master Yoda or at least somewhat hold him off? Nop

[Spoder]

Umm, Revan.

Naga Sadow.

Marka Ragnos.

I can go on.

You may as not a single person you listed is more powerful then Sidious.

Don't kid me.

[United States Kingdom]

Yea well Dooku fought Yoda on equal terms who can also defeat Mace Windu. The only reason why Mace was able to keep up with Palpatine was because he was using Form Seven, Vaapad which allows someone to channel in the dark side of the force as a useful tool in service of the light. Dooku doesn't go all fighting and animalistic like Darth Maul, he keeps a calm and calculated focus and before you even start to say that Dooku uses the dark side of the force in attacks like force push, telekinesis, let me state that telekinesis is a neutral power and possesses no alignment according to the star wars wikia and their is a light side force lightning power called Electric Judgement so yeah.

That is true but you should have seen Sidious in that duel with Yoda. Dooku probably was able to hold off Yoda because Yoda probably felt bad for him and didn't want to fight considering Dooku was Yoda's padawan but Yoda did fight like a boss.

:') Beautiful. I've been trying to explain this to them.

To be fair I do have to add that Dooku while being able to fight Yoda on equal terms for a while would have ultimately lost the fight.

I don't even think this people know what the lightsaber forms even are.

[Spoder]

Umm, Revan.

Naga Sadow.

Marka Ragnos.

I can go on.

Can Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and Revan be able to 1. summon a force storm which devours worlds? Nop. 2. Can they be able to master all lightsaber forms to their highest profiency? Nop 3. Can they be able to defeat Grand Master Yoda or at least somewhat hold him off? Nop

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

[Bearon]

Lightsaber styles are important but the difference in Form VII and Form I aren't so large that a Form VII practitioner would be able to survive nearly 100 times longer then a Form I practioner on a similar if lesser tier.



The consensus on the Sidious vs Mace fight is what I've stated and those that disagree are seen as little more then Windu fanboys. Don't tell me you're one.



Which simply strengthens my belief that Sidious played with Mace for the entirety of their duel given Fisto's own skill level.

The only reason why Kit Fisto was beaten by Palpatine was because the lightsaber form he uses Form I: Shii-Choo is specialized against multiple opponents, not one and it is wild and aggressive and doesn't have a calm nature. You may say that I am wrong and use a piece of evidence like Kit Fisto vs Grievous in where Kit Fisto defeated Grievous but Griveous had multiple weapons which Shii Choo can battle against because multiple opponents have multiple weapons

No I understand this I was simply making the point that since Mace's skill level while higher then Fisto's own they were still able to spar together and thus Mace must have had a specific amp for this fight to have survived so much longer the Fisto did in the first place regardless in the differences in their Lightsaber forms.

You may as not a single person you listed is more powerful then Sidious.

Don't kid me.

I may kid about a lot of things but not Star Wars.

[United States Kingdom]

I will say only this:Disney will ruin Star Wars.

Give Disney a chance.

[Bearon]

Can Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and Revan be able to 1. summon a force storm which devours worlds? Nop. 2. Can they be able to master all lightsaber forms to their highest profiency? Nop 3. Can they be able to defeat Grand Master Yoda or at least somewhat hold him off? Nop

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

None of them have ever been able to create a force storm strong enough to devour worlds, mastered all forms of Lightsaber combat or are able to hold off Yoda. Nihilus doesn't use force storm nor has he master all Lightsaber forms and its debatable that he could beat Yoda as he'd simply be blitzed before he could use force drain.

[The Orson Empire]

I'm going to go with Mace Windu, since he came very close to killing Palpatine during a duel until Anakin intervened.

[Bearon]

:') Beautiful. I've been trying to explain this to them.

To be fair I do have to add that Dooku while being able to fight Yoda on equal terms for a while would have ultimately lost the fight.

That is true but you should have seen Sidious in that duel with Yoda. Dooku probably was able to hold off Yoda because Yoda probably felt bad for him and didn't want to fight considering Dooku was Yoda's padawan but Yoda did fight like a boss.

I don't even think this people know what the lightsaber forms even are.

I think that was partly it but Dooku seemed skilled enough on his own to be able to hold Yoda off if only for a few minutes.

Some people sadly don't.

[Bearon]

I'm going to go with Mace Windu, since he came very close to killing Palpatine during a duel until Anakin intervened.

He had an amp during that fight that won't be present here and it has already been shown that he has fought evenly with a pre Sith Dooku and stalemated an opponent Dooku has beaten regularly. I don't see how the Sidious fight is applicable here at all.

[United States Kingdom]

Can Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and Revan be able to 1. summon a force storm which devours worlds? Nop. 2. Can they be able to master all lightsaber forms to their highest profiency? Nop 3. Can they be able to defeat Grand Master Yoda or at least somewhat hold him off? Nop

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

I want to see a source of Naga Sadw. Revan, and Marka Ragnos summoning force storms. PS, Darth Nihilus was a 'wound in the force' and he consumed life force energies to make his hunger go away. It is even shown that when he hasn't consumed life force energies for a while, he becomes weak.

By the way, the era of Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos concentrated on Sith Alchemy so fighting with swords usually took a back sit therefore they aren't even CLOSE to having the lightsaber mastery of GM Yoda. Also, Naga Sadow blowing up a star doesn't count considering it was a labor intensive technique and required a lot of focus where summoning force storms was also labor intensive and required a lot of focus but Sidious didn't need an artifact to do so where other Sith who have summoned force storms required an artifact.

[Spoder]

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

None of them have ever been able to create a force storm strong enough to devour worlds, mastered all forms of Lightsaber combat or hold off Yoda. Nihilus doesn't use force storm nor has he master all Lightsaber forms and its debatable that he could beat Yoda as he'd simply be blitzed before he could force drain.

You ought to read up on Revan and Naga Sadow.

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they couldn't.

[United States Kingdom]

The only reason why Kit Fisto was beaten by Palpatine was because the lightsaber form he uses Form I: Shii-Choo is specialized against multiple opponents, not one and it is wild and aggressive and doesn't have a calm nature. You may say that I am wrong and use a piece of evidence like Kit Fisto vs Grievous in where Kit Fisto defeated Grievous but Griveous had multiple weapons which Shii Choo can battle against because multiple opponents have multiple weapons

No I understand this I was simply making the point that since Mace's skill level while higher then Fisto's own they were still able to spar together and thus Mace must have had a specific amp for this fight to have survived so much longer the Fisto did in the first place regardless in the differences in their Lightsaber forms.

Don't kid me.

I may kid about a lot of things but not Star Wars.

Fisto only had Ataru on his side and a mastery of Shii Choo while Mace mastered all the lightsaber forms but I don't believe he could steel beat Dooku considering the fact that Dooku has lived for DECADES and has years of experience, and has refined Form II: Makashi to its highest level EVER!

[Bearon]

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

I want to see a source of Naga Sadw. Revan, and Marka Ragnos summoning force storms. PS, Darth Nihilus was a 'wound in the force' and he consumed life force energies to make his hunger go away. It is even shown that when he hasn't consumed life force energies for a while, he becomes weak.

By the way, the era of Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos concentrated on Sith Alchemy so fighting with swords usually took a back sit therefore they aren't even CLOSE to having the lightsaber mastery of GM Yoda. Also, Naga Sadow blowing up a star doesn't count considering it was a labor intensive technique and required a lot of focus where summoning force storms was also labor intensive and required a lot of focus but Sidious didn't need an artifact to do so where other Sith who have summoned force storms required an artifact.

Also Naga Sadow used an artifact to help him cause a dying son to go supernova and Revan's own force storm in the KotOR game effected a small area not even as large as a football field. I don't know why it's listed as a force storm but it apparently is.

[Bearon]

None of them have ever been able to create a force storm strong enough to devour worlds, mastered all forms of Lightsaber combat or hold off Yoda. Nihilus doesn't use force storm nor has he master all Lightsaber forms and its debatable that he could beat Yoda as he'd simply be blitzed before he could force drain.

You ought to read up on Revan and Naga Sadow.

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they couldn't.

It doesn't matter if you think they could do it if they haven't canonically done it you can't logically apply it to this fight.

[United States Kingdom]

I want to see a source of Naga Sadw. Revan, and Marka Ragnos summoning force storms. PS, Darth Nihilus was a 'wound in the force' and he consumed life force energies to make his hunger go away. It is even shown that when he hasn't consumed life force energies for a while, he becomes weak.

By the way, the era of Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos concentrated on Sith Alchemy so fighting with swords usually took a back sit therefore they aren't even CLOSE to having the lightsaber mastery of GM Yoda. Also, Naga Sadow blowing up a star doesn't count considering it was a labor intensive technique and required a lot of focus where summoning force storms was also labor intensive and required a lot of focus but Sidious didn't need an artifact to do so where other Sith who have summoned force storms required an artifact.

Also Naga Sadow used an artifact to help him cause a dying son to go supernova and Revan's own force storm in the KotOR game effected a small area not even as large as a football field. I don't know why it's listed as a force storm but it apparently is.

[Bearon]

No I understand this I was simply making the point that since Mace's skill level while higher then Fisto's own they were still able to spar together and thus Mace must have had a specific amp for this fight to have survived so much longer the Fisto did in the first place regardless in the differences in their Lightsaber forms.



I may kid about a lot of things but not Star Wars.

Fisto only had Ataru on his side and a mastery of Shii Choo while Mace mastered all the lightsaber forms but I don't believe he could steel beat Dooku considering the fact that Dooku has lived for DECADES and has years of experience, and has refined Form II: Makashi to its highest level EVER!

Fisto was knowledgeable in other forms as shown in "The Cestus Deception" but I know what you're saying. I believe that Mace and Dooku are equals in terms of skill and versatility but Dooku has the experience and in my opinion superior force powers.

[United States Kingdom]

None of them have ever been able to create a force storm strong enough to devour worlds, mastered all forms of Lightsaber combat or hold off Yoda. Nihilus doesn't use force storm nor has he master all Lightsaber forms and its debatable that he could beat Yoda as he'd simply be blitzed before he could force drain.

You ought to read up on Revan and Naga Sadow.

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they couldn't.

Oh trust me I have and I love both of them and their feats but we must consider combative applications of the force and Sidious has a lot of them. His force lightning was stated to burn someone's body. That's how powerful he is.

[Bearon]

You ought to read up on Revan and Naga Sadow.

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they couldn't.

Oh trust me I have and I love both of them and their feats but we must consider combative applications of the force and Sidious has a lot of them. His force lightning was stated to burn someone's body. That's how powerful he is.

Actually he's disintegrated people into ash before and melted durasteel with just his lightning. ^^

[United States Kingdom]

Oh trust me I have and I love both of them and their feats but we must consider combative applications of the force and Sidious has a lot of them. His force lightning was stated to burn someone's body. That's how powerful he is.

Actually he's disintegrated people into ash before and melted durasteel with just his lightning. ^^

Even better!

[Spoder]

You ought to read up on Revan and Naga Sadow.

Just because they haven't doesn't mean they couldn't.

It doesn't matter if you think they could do it if they haven't canonically done it you can't logically apply it to this fight.

Yes you can.

Over several instances, a force user's power has been implied in the series.


Revan survived 300 years of torture.

He managed to destroy a sith, despite this sith having his powers being multiplied by an incredible amount as he was utilizing the Star Forge.

Darth Krayt is also quite powerful, as was Exar Kun. Both undoubtedly more so than Palpatine. Hell, it's possible Exar Kun is more powerful than Revan.

[Bearon]

Actually he's disintegrated people into ash before and melted durasteel with just his lightning. ^^

Even better!

That's not even his most impressive feat though considering the fact that he could just basically open up a black hole on any opponent besides GM Luke.

[Spoder]

Oh trust me I have and I love both of them and their feats but we must consider combative applications of the force and Sidious has a lot of them. His force lightning was stated to burn someone's body. That's how powerful he is.

Actually he's disintegrated people into ash before and melted durasteel with just his lightning. ^^

Fancy lightning.

Starkiller does better.

And he's not even fucking close to Revan.