Star Wars: Debate Thread

[The Romulan Republic]

Actually Marvel's films and TV shows are a different continuity from its comics.

[CTALNH]

Yeah, just like they ruined all the other franchises they bought that are now hugely successful.
I mean, just look at Marvel. It's in shambles!

Yeah, because Marvel too had something like 90%+ of it's material de-canonized in an instant because Disney is too lazy to make the new stuff fit the old stuff. Oh wait...

Remake all trilogies fuck the purists.

[Occidentria]

I will say only this:Disney will ruin Star Wars.

George did a pretty bang-up job of doing that himself once he purged Lucasfilm of anyone whom challenged him creatively.
If it weren't for the patchwork done by BioWare and other external authors and artists in the expanded universe, I'd be pretty bummed.

Dooku over Windu. I don't know about one-on-one direct combat, but I just find Dooku to be a more compelling character. Though that might just have to do with Christopher Lee fitting more appropriately into the character he was given than Samuel Jackson.

[The Sotoan Union]

If Mace Windu could beat Palpatine in a lightsaber fight, he could probably beat Dooku.

But he was ridiculously amped for that fight and Sidious simply played with him until Anakin arrived. Also Mace couldn't land a blow on Grievous and when Dooku was still in the Order he was Mace's better or equal. So take that as you will.

Yeah Sidious played with him. When he didn't know Anakin was coming, and when there was a considerable risk that Windu would kill him and end everything he worked for, Sidious played with him anyways.

Sidious tried to win Anakin over when he arrived, but before that he was fighting for his life. Sidious dispatched the three other Jedi before Windu, why not do the same to Windu? Because he couldn't.

[Spoder]

Actually Marvel's films and TV shows are a different continuity from its comics.

Because it's not like both DC and Marvel have a million alternate universes.

[Bearon]

But he was ridiculously amped for that fight and Sidious simply played with him until Anakin arrived. Also Mace couldn't land a blow on Grievous and when Dooku was still in the Order he was Mace's better or equal. So take that as you will.

Yeah Sidious played with him. When he didn't know Anakin was coming, and when there was a considerable risk that Windu would kill him and end everything he worked for, Sidious played with him anyways.

Sidious tried to win Anakin over when he arrived, but before that he was fighting for his life. Sidious dispatched the three other Jedi before Windu, why not do the same to Windu? Because he couldn't.

Sidious DID know Anakin was coming. It's stated in the RotS novelization. Mace's Vaapad allowed him to not instantly die like the other as it gave him a huge amp but Sidious could have ended with either his force powers or superior dueling skills in an instant. I mean he took down Kit Fisto in seconds a guy who Mace had sparred with in the past and given Mace a good fight.

[Bearon]

But he was ridiculously amped for that fight and Sidious simply played with him until Anakin arrived. Also Mace couldn't land a blow on Grievous and when Dooku was still in the Order he was Mace's better or equal. So take that as you will.

Yeah Sidious played with him. When he didn't know Anakin was coming, and when there was a considerable risk that Windu would kill him and end everything he worked for, Sidious played with him anyways.

Sidious tried to win Anakin over when he arrived, but before that he was fighting for his life. Sidious dispatched the three other Jedi before Windu, why not do the same to Windu? Because he couldn't.

Also don't make this Sidious vs Windu because then the fanboys will really come swarming.

[Idzequitch]

If Mace Windu could beat Palpatine in a lightsaber fight, he could probably beat Dooku.

But he was ridiculously amped for that fight and Sidious simply played with him until Anakin arrived. Also Mace couldn't land a blow on Grievous and when Dooku was still in the Order he was Mace's better or equal. So take that as you will.

I don't see how being amped for a fight is a mark against Windu. If the hardest battles bring out the best in him, that just plays to his advantage.
Also, I think it is a dubious claim at best that Sidious knew Anakin was coming, RotS Novel or no. I can accept that he might have guessed it, but I don't believe for a second that he would have staked his own life on that conjecture. The novelizations of the movies are basically all crap anyway, just my opinion.

[Bearon]

But he was ridiculously amped for that fight and Sidious simply played with him until Anakin arrived. Also Mace couldn't land a blow on Grievous and when Dooku was still in the Order he was Mace's better or equal. So take that as you will.

I don't see how being amped for a fight is a mark against Windu. If the hardest battles bring out the best in him, that just plays to his advantage.
Also, I think it is a dubious claim at best that Sidious knew Anakin was coming, RotS Novel or no. I can accept that he might have guessed it, but I don't believe for a second that he would have staked his own life on that conjecture. The novelizations of the movies are basically all crap anyway, just my opinion.

Actually they were G canon before Disney and now they're the ONLY canon. Besides that however maybe he wasn't betting his life on it? Maybe he was assured of his own victory anyways and felt no need to beat Windu when he could take the moment to have Anakin fall fully to the Dark Side.

[Bearon]

But he was ridiculously amped for that fight and Sidious simply played with him until Anakin arrived. Also Mace couldn't land a blow on Grievous and when Dooku was still in the Order he was Mace's better or equal. So take that as you will.

I don't see how being amped for a fight is a mark against Windu. If the hardest battles bring out the best in him, that just plays to his advantage.
Also, I think it is a dubious claim at best that Sidious knew Anakin was coming, RotS Novel or no. I can accept that he might have guessed it, but I don't believe for a second that he would have staked his own life on that conjecture. The novelizations of the movies are basically all crap anyway, just my opinion.

Also amped doesn't mean brought the best out of him it means he had an advantage he doesn't usually have in other battles and thus would not perform as well as he did in the battle against Sidious in a battle against Dooku. Look at the article on page 1 it explains the Sidious Mace fight very well.

[Idzequitch]

I don't see how being amped for a fight is a mark against Windu. If the hardest battles bring out the best in him, that just plays to his advantage.
Also, I think it is a dubious claim at best that Sidious knew Anakin was coming, RotS Novel or no. I can accept that he might have guessed it, but I don't believe for a second that he would have staked his own life on that conjecture. The novelizations of the movies are basically all crap anyway, just my opinion.

Actually they were G canon before Disney and now they're the ONLY canon. Besides that however maybe he wasn't betting his life on it? Maybe he was assured of his own victory anyways and felt no need to beat Windu when he could take the moment to have Anakin fall fully to the Dark Side.

Doesn't change the fact that they were just terrible books that gave way too much creative license to the authors.
I think we've just got to agree to disagree. Neither one of us is going to budge.

[Bearon]

Actually they were G canon before Disney and now they're the ONLY canon. Besides that however maybe he wasn't betting his life on it? Maybe he was assured of his own victory anyways and felt no need to beat Windu when he could take the moment to have Anakin fall fully to the Dark Side.

Doesn't change the fact that they were just terrible books that gave way too much creative license to the authors.
I think we've just got to agree to disagree. Neither one of us is going to budge.

It doesn't really matter about their quality when classing canon but I know what you mean so yes we can agree to disagree.

[The Sotoan Union]

Yeah Sidious played with him. When he didn't know Anakin was coming, and when there was a considerable risk that Windu would kill him and end everything he worked for, Sidious played with him anyways.

Sidious tried to win Anakin over when he arrived, but before that he was fighting for his life. Sidious dispatched the three other Jedi before Windu, why not do the same to Windu? Because he couldn't.

Sidious DID know Anakin was coming. It's stated in the RotS novelization. Mace's Vaapad allowed him to not instantly die like the other as it gave him a huge amp but Sidious could have ended with either his force powers or superior dueling skills in an instant. I mean he took down Kit Fisto in seconds a guy who Mace had sparred with in the past and given Mace a good fight.

Lightsaber styles are important. Form I isn't going to cut it against Palpatine, even if Kit Fisto is really good at it.

[The Sotoan Union]

Yeah Sidious played with him. When he didn't know Anakin was coming, and when there was a considerable risk that Windu would kill him and end everything he worked for, Sidious played with him anyways.

Sidious tried to win Anakin over when he arrived, but before that he was fighting for his life. Sidious dispatched the three other Jedi before Windu, why not do the same to Windu? Because he couldn't.

Also don't make this Sidious vs Windu because then the fanboys will really come swarming.

It's a valid point to bring up when talking about how powerful characters are and who would win in a fight that never happened.

[Spoder]

Sidious DID know Anakin was coming. It's stated in the RotS novelization. Mace's Vaapad allowed him to not instantly die like the other as it gave him a huge amp but Sidious could have ended with either his force powers or superior dueling skills in an instant. I mean he took down Kit Fisto in seconds a guy who Mace had sparred with in the past and given Mace a good fight.

Lightsaber styles are important. Form I isn't going to cut it against Palpatine, even if Kit Fisto is really good at it.

Kit Fisto literally got his head cut off in a few seconds of fighting Palpatine.

[Bearon]

Sidious DID know Anakin was coming. It's stated in the RotS novelization. Mace's Vaapad allowed him to not instantly die like the other as it gave him a huge amp but Sidious could have ended with either his force powers or superior dueling skills in an instant. I mean he took down Kit Fisto in seconds a guy who Mace had sparred with in the past and given Mace a good fight.

Lightsaber styles are important. Form I isn't going to cut it against Palpatine, even if Kit Fisto is really good at it.

Lightsaber styles are important but the difference in Form VII and Form I aren't so large that a Form VII practitioner would be able to survive nearly 100 times longer then a Form I practioner on a similar if lesser tier.

Also don't make this Sidious vs Windu because then the fanboys will really come swarming.

It's a valid point to bring up when talking about how powerful characters are and who would win in a fight that never happened.

The consensus on the Sidious vs Mace fight is what I've stated and those that disagree are seen as little more then Windu fanboys. Don't tell me you're one.

Lightsaber styles are important. Form I isn't going to cut it against Palpatine, even if Kit Fisto is really good at it.

Kit Fisto literally got his head cut off in a few seconds of fighting Palpatine.

Which simply strengthens my belief that Sidious played with Mace for the entirety of their duel given Fisto's own skill level.

[Bearon]

Also I still have yet to see anyone refute the fact that Mace and Dooku dueled evenly while Dooku was still in the Order.

[Spoder]

Let's be real.

Any one of the good, old sith lords could whup Palpatine's ass with their pinkies.

[Bearon]

Let's be real.

Any one of the good, old sith lords could whup Palpatine's ass with their pinkies.

Sorry Sidious has been canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History and through EU feats has proved he is the second most powerful force user after GM Luke Skywalker.

[United States Kingdom]

Count Dooku will win the fight all the way.

[Bearon]

Count Dooku will win the fight all the way.

You're the first Dooku supporter I've seen in this thread besides myself! *Brofive*

[United States Kingdom]

Mace Windu wins easily. He bested Palpatine (Who, incidentally, was given the first name Sheev in a recent book) in combat, dying only because he was blindsided by the betrayal of an ally.
Palpatine is Dooku's Master, and I don't think anyone will deny that Palpatine is more powerful than Dooku.
It stands to reason that if Windu can defeat Palpatine, he could definitely beat Dooku. (Barring Anakin cutting his arm off or some similar idiocy).
Also, keep in mind that Windu is about 50 years old in Episode III, while Dooku, though spry for his age, is over 80. He would not last in a long battle.

Yea well Dooku fought Yoda on equal terms who can also defeat Mace Windu. The only reason why Mace was able to keep up with Palpatine was because he was using Form Seven, Vaapad which allows someone to channel in the dark side of the force as a useful tool in service of the light. Dooku doesn't go all fighting and animalistic like Darth Maul, he keeps a calm and calculated focus and before you even start to say that Dooku uses the dark side of the force in attacks like force push, telekinesis, let me state that telekinesis is a neutral power and possesses no alignment according to the star wars wikia and their is a light side force lightning power called Electric Judgement so yeah.

[United States Kingdom]

Count Dooku will win the fight all the way.

You're the first Dooku supporter I've seen in this thread besides myself! *Brofive*

[Spoder]

Let's be real.

Any one of the good, old sith lords could whup Palpatine's ass with their pinkies.

Sorry Sidious has been canonically stated to be the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History and through EU feats has proved he is the second most powerful force user after GM Luke Skywalker.

Umm, Revan.

Naga Sadow.

Marka Ragnos.

I can go on.

[Bearon]

Mace Windu wins easily. He bested Palpatine (Who, incidentally, was given the first name Sheev in a recent book) in combat, dying only because he was blindsided by the betrayal of an ally.
Palpatine is Dooku's Master, and I don't think anyone will deny that Palpatine is more powerful than Dooku.
It stands to reason that if Windu can defeat Palpatine, he could definitely beat Dooku. (Barring Anakin cutting his arm off or some similar idiocy).
Also, keep in mind that Windu is about 50 years old in Episode III, while Dooku, though spry for his age, is over 80. He would not last in a long battle.

Yea well Dooku fought Yoda on equal terms who can also defeat Mace Windu. The only reason why Mace was able to keep up with Palpatine was because he was using Form Seven, Vaapad which allows someone to channel in the dark side of the force as a useful tool in service of the light. Dooku doesn't go all fighting and animalistic like Darth Maul, he keeps a calm and calculated focus and before you even start to say that Dooku uses the dark side of the force in attacks like force push, telekinesis, let me state that telekinesis is a neutral power and possesses no alignment according to the star wars wikia and their is a light side force lightning power called Electric Judgement so yeah.

:') Beautiful. I've been trying to explain this to them.

To be fair I do have to add that Dooku while being able to fight Yoda on equal terms for a while would have ultimately lost the fight.