Star Wars: Debate Thread

[Bearon]

Hahah you're fucking joking.

Thrawn was commanding a state-of-the-art, bleeding edge fleet and still couldn't get destroy a fledgling republic, with a tiny amount of Jedi on this republic's side.

Revan managed to terrorize and dominate a powerful republic, that had technology parallel to that of his sith empire's, and they had a copious amount of Jedi.

Not to mention, while Thrawn got his ass kicked by his betrayer so hard that he died, Revan came back and bucked that bitch Malak to the pavement.

Single combat? No competition. Thrawn has nothing on Revan.

Well there is the fact that though Thrawn had an advanced fleet so did his enemies making the difference not quite so large.

The Republic at the time seemed to have normal or good tech for their age but Revan had a fleet made by the Star Forge which made them incredibly advanced.

That's more dueling skill and force power rather then tactical knowledge.

No it's a tactical battle. They both have the same fleet as mentioned on the last page.

[Spoder]

Hahah you're fucking joking.

Thrawn was commanding a state-of-the-art, bleeding edge fleet and still couldn't get destroy a fledgling republic, with a tiny amount of Jedi on this republic's side.

Revan managed to terrorize and dominate a powerful republic, that had technology parallel to that of his sith empire's, and they had a copious amount of Jedi.

Not to mention, while Thrawn got his ass kicked by his betrayer so hard that he died, Revan came back and bucked that bitch Malak to the pavement.

Single combat? No competition. Thrawn has nothing on Revan.

Well there is the fact that though Thrawn had an advanced fleet so did his enemies making the difference not quite so large.

The Republic at the time seemed to have normal or good tech for their age but Revan had a fleet made by the Star Forge which made them incredibly advanced.

That's more dueling skill and force power rather then tactical knowledge.

No it's a tactical battle. They both have the same fleet as mentioned on the last page.

Oh, very well.

Well, if all you're judging things by is tactical capability, I'd call it a draw.

Thrawn got things done faster, and accomplished slightly more than Revan, but his oversight proved to be fatal (traitor bodyguard). Whereas Revan survived his betrayal, and was able to exact his revenge on Malak. That's really the one place where I can see Revan having a clear advantage.

If the two met head to head, it's no competition. Revan would just need a small boarding party to defeat Thrawn. Of course, getting there will be an obstacle. But plot advancement makes this obstinate, and thus by some miracle a single transport carrying Revan, HK-47 and a few squads of Sith troopers manages to land in one of the docking bays of the Chimaera. They blast and slice their way to the bridge, by which time a single Sith trooper (due for a promotion later, of course), HK-47 and Revan himself are the only members of the boarding party still alive. A personal confrontation ensues, in which Thrawn's bodyguards throw themselves on HK-47 and the Sith trooper, who take cover and fire blaster shots. HK-47, being more important than the Sith trooper actually takes out a bodyguard or two, and the Sith trooper might even hit one. Thrawn somehow is still alive, as one of his bodyguards is keeping Revan at bay, but eventually Revan destroys the bodyguard and wrenches his head from his shoulders. He lunges at Thrawn and his lightsaber pierces Thrawn's abdomen. Thrawn lets out a choked breath, and his red eyes are full of emotion. Revan deactivates his lightsaber, and Thrawn falls to the floor with a thud. HK-47 and the Sith trooper are finished with the bodyguards, and join Revan. They activate the self-destruct sequence, and evacuate in the nick of time, followed by a glorious explosion which starts a chain reaction of collisions and half of Thrawn's fleet is destroyed. Disorganized, the remaining ships are either cut down by Revan's fleet or they flee. Award ceremony. Sith trooper squads are given posthumous medals. Sith trooper who survived gets equivalent to medal of honor. Promoted to big position (grand general or something) even though he is totally unqualified. Last shot of Revan leaving. Credits roll.

[Bearon]

Well there is the fact that though Thrawn had an advanced fleet so did his enemies making the difference not quite so large.

The Republic at the time seemed to have normal or good tech for their age but Revan had a fleet made by the Star Forge which made them incredibly advanced.

That's more dueling skill and force power rather then tactical knowledge.

No it's a tactical battle. They both have the same fleet as mentioned on the last page.

Oh, very well.

Well, if all you're judging things by is tactical capability, I'd call it a draw.

Thrawn got things done faster, and accomplished slightly more than Revan, but his oversight proved to be fatal (traitor bodyguard). Whereas Revan survived his betrayal, and was able to exact his revenge on Malak. That's really the one place where I can see Revan having a clear advantage.

If the two met head to head, it's no competition. Revan would just need a small boarding party to defeat Thrawn. Of course, getting there will be an obstacle. But plot advancement makes this obstinate, and thus by some miracle a single transport carrying Revan, HK-47 and a few squads of Sith troopers manages to land in one of the docking bays of the Chimaera. They blast and slice their way to the bridge, by which time a single Sith trooper (due for a promotion later, of course), HK-47 and Revan himself are the only members of the boarding party still alive. A personal confrontation ensues, in which Thrawn's bodyguards throw themselves on HK-47 and the Sith trooper, who take cover and fire blaster shots. HK-47, being more important than the Sith trooper actually takes out a bodyguard or two, and the Sith trooper might even hit one. Thrawn somehow is still alive, as one of his bodyguards is keeping Revan at bay, but eventually Revan destroys the bodyguard and wrenches his head from his shoulders. He lunges at Thrawn and his lightsaber pierces Thrawn's abdomen. Thrawn lets out a choked breath, and his red eyes are full of emotion. Revan deactivates his lightsaber, and Thrawn falls to the floor with a thud. HK-47 and the Sith trooper are finished with the bodyguards, and join Revan. They activate the self-destruct sequence, and evacuate in the nick of time, followed by a glorious explosion which starts a chain reaction of collisions and half of Thrawn's fleet is destroyed. Disorganized, the remaining ships are either cut down by Revan's fleet or they flee. Award ceremony. Sith trooper squads are given posthumous medals. Sith trooper who survived gets equivalent to medal of honor. Promoted to big position (grand general or something) even though he is totally unqualified. Last shot of Revan leaving. Credits roll.

Cool scenario but the battle won't be dictated by plot just pure tactical skill where Revan can use his skill. Revan at this time doesn't have access to HK47 or his personally trained guards. He has the standard clone troopers on the ships he is in control of and himself. While it's possible Revan could make his way to Thrawn's capital ship and take him out it seems unlikely he'd get past the defenses or that if he did the majority of his own fleet would be wiped out while he made the attempt. I believe Revan would be more useful in this battle as a straight out commander.

[United Ameritania]

If it we're a Personal Confrontation, I'd say Revan, he'd end up Killing his Bodyguards, and Thrawn's Physical Strength is...Questionable. Though, if it we're a Tactics/Strategy Contest, I say Thrawn, as he has Years of Experiance in the Chiss Expeditionary Force, and in the Imperial Navy. Only problem, is that Revan simply needs a Boarding Party, and Thrawn would be Screwed.

[Bearon]

If it we're a Personal Confrontation, I'd say Revan, he'd end up Killing his Bodyguards, and Thrawn's Physical Strength is...Questionable. Though, if it we're a Tactics/Strategy Contest, I say Thrawn, as he has Years of Experiance in the Chiss Expeditionary Force, and in the Imperial Navy. Only problem, is that Revan simply needs a Boarding Party, and Thrawn would be Screwed.

But that leaves Revan's fleet without a commander. Besides that there are numerous defenses on both sides here so getting through while possible would be extremely difficult and most likely take a good amount of time.

[Bearon]

Alright apparently Revan wins in a tactical battle. Close fight. I wish some more reasons had been given for either side though.

Next fight is open to suggestions.

[Bearon]

Now in regards to the Galen Marek and Revan fight I put up I'd suggest that people unfamiliar with Galen's capabilities watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXdVxj ... N-Lfae0SIQ

And that people unfamiliar with Revan read this thread.

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/dartha ... ead/95278/

The video aptly describes Galen's capabilities while the thread with Revan should really just be used for reference and taken with a grain of salt at that as the author is a bit of a Revan fanboy.

[Anthony Willman]

Obi-wan forever!

[Bearon]

Obi-wan forever!

I specifically put up the fights that I see as incredibly even. I would not be able to choose between the teams without a long period of thought. In regards to the Obi Wan vs Kit Fisto fight Kit Fisto has actually proven to be a better Lightsaber duelist then Obi Wan in the "Cestus Deception" but this was Obi Wan near the end of the war. Let's take Obi Wan from RotS the master of Soresu who dueled Dooku and beat Grievous along with defeating the Chosen One. Then I think you have a much more even fight.

[Bearon]

Looks like you all want a team battle.

[Bearon]

Well given the overwhelming support for the second option I think we can begin.

My own opinion on the fight is that this is so even as to be nearly undecidable though I do have a favorite. Regardless I will be playing Devil's Advocate and offer information to anybody who asks for it. I will also correct incorrect statements. Begin!

[The Romulan Republic]

The new match is a tough one to call. Dooku is almost certainly Maul's superior in combat, but Ventress is probably weaker than Savage.

[Bearon]

The new match is a tough one to call. Dooku is almost certainly Maul's superior in combat, but Ventress is probably weaker than Savage.

Specifically why I made this match. Dooku and Maul would dominate each of their opponents if they didn't end up fighting eachother and as his been shown in TCW Savage has been shown to be Ventress's superior but only by a little. Ventress has also been shown to be able to hold off Maul if only for a little while. None are weak in the force either.

[Corsahnim]

Dooku and Ventress will definitely win.

I say this because Dooku has superior Force Abilities, and Ventress has better lightsaber techniques than Maul or Savage. And, considering that she could switch between dual-wield and double-blade, and used to be a Night Sister (which, in Clone Wars, was responsible for bringing Maul back to power to die yet again) AND turned back to that same organization when Dooku betrayed her later on, it'd be hard not to say that Dooku and Ventress would win over Maul and Savage.

Then again, anything can happen when two-vs.-two happens.

[Gaiserin]

Hahah you're fucking joking.

Thrawn was commanding a state-of-the-art, bleeding edge fleet and still couldn't get destroy a fledgling republic, with a tiny amount of Jedi on this republic's side.

Revan managed to terrorize and dominate a powerful republic, that had technology parallel to that of his sith empire's, and they had a copious amount of Jedi.

Not to mention, while Thrawn got his ass kicked by his betrayer so hard that he died, Revan came back and bucked that bitch Malak to the pavement.

Single combat? No competition. Thrawn has nothing on Revan.

Revan has mines so he wins, hue. ~

[Bearon]

Just would like to say I'm sorry for responding so late to these posts. Have had a lot of work since the end of the semester is around the corner.

Dooku and Ventress will definitely win.

I say this because Dooku has superior Force Abilities, and Ventress has better lightsaber techniques than Maul or Savage. And, considering that she could switch between dual-wield and double-blade, and used to be a Night Sister (which, in Clone Wars, was responsible for bringing Maul back to power to die yet again) AND turned back to that same organization when Dooku betrayed her later on, it'd be hard not to say that Dooku and Ventress would win over Maul and Savage.

Then again, anything can happen when two-vs.-two happens.

I agree that Dooku does have superior force abilities and while I agree that Ventress may have better technique then Savage I do not think that she compares to Maul in this regard. Maul was also adept at both double blade and dual wielding and was not only more skilled but also more physically capable. Both Maul and Savage have been shown to be capable of beating Ventress in a duel in Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

Hahah you're fucking joking.

Thrawn was commanding a state-of-the-art, bleeding edge fleet and still couldn't get destroy a fledgling republic, with a tiny amount of Jedi on this republic's side.

Revan managed to terrorize and dominate a powerful republic, that had technology parallel to that of his sith empire's, and they had a copious amount of Jedi.

Not to mention, while Thrawn got his ass kicked by his betrayer so hard that he died, Revan came back and bucked that bitch Malak to the pavement.

Single combat? No competition. Thrawn has nothing on Revan.

Revan has mines so he wins, hue. ~

I believe it was a fairly even match if Revan used his battle meditation effectively though Thrawn in the better strategist and would probably have been more capable in that he was using fleets with similar designs to those he commanded.

[Bearon]

Bump.

[Bearon]

Guys I'm officially letting this thread die. It has really become a voting thread which isn't what I wanted. I wanted it to be filled with debate and life but it's just people coming in to check before voting and going back out. If anyone wants to keep this up they may and I will edit the board accordingly. As it is I'll be letting this thread fade into the annals of history.

[Spoder]

I think the issue is that this match-up is particularly boring.

[Bearon]

I think the issue is that this match-up is particularly boring.

Why is that?

[Bearon]

Alright guys what do you think about the next fight being Anakin and Obi Wan vs Maul and Savage?

[Bearon]

Bump.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Revan fans are all the same~

Next fight should be Ajunta Pall and Naga Sadow.

Or Quinlan Vos vs Rahm Koda.

Or Cad Bane vs Durge. (So long as you don't give Bane an environmental win-button)

Or Xoxaan vs Zhana.

[Bearon]

Revan fans are all the same~

Next fight should be Ajunta Pall and Naga Sadow.

Or Quinlan Vos vs Rahm Koda.

Or Cad Bane vs Durge. (So long as you don't give Bane an environmental win-button)

Or Xoxaan vs Zhana.

Sounds good.

[Creepoc Infinite]

Qymaen Jai Sheelal is a pretty good warrior. His time as a general for the Confederacy of Independent Systems was probably his prime.

Which is you favorite Sith Lord? Hego Damask (Darth Plagueis)?
Darth Tenebrous?
Darth Sidious?
Darth Revan?
Darth Nihilus
Darth Sion?
Darth Traya?
Darth Bane
Darth Zannah?