Star Wars: Debate Thread

[Spoder]

There's not much to say about this match in my opinion. GM Luke is more powerful then Revan in every single way. Period.

Mmm.

Luke fell to the dark side because his will wasn't powerful enough to resist being consumed by the shadows he was dancing with.

[Bearon]

There's not much to say about this match in my opinion. GM Luke is more powerful then Revan in every single way. Period.

Mmm.

Luke fell to the dark side because his will wasn't powerful enough to resist being consumed by the shadows he was dancing with.

He actually held out for a long time as he was a double agent for the Republic before succumbing and if my memory recalls Revan was turned by Vitiate when he travelled into the unknown regions. As it is though I'm talking about factors relating to a fight. I believe Revan has the tactical skill advantage but that's about it.

[Spoder]

Mmm.

Luke fell to the dark side because his will wasn't powerful enough to resist being consumed by the shadows he was dancing with.

He actually held out for a long time as he was a double agent for the Republic before succumbing and if my memory recalls Revan was turned by Vitiate when he travelled into the unknown regions. As it is though I'm talking about factors relating to a fight. I believe Revan has the tactical skill advantage but that's about it.

He'd also have an advantage in lightsaber duels.

If memory serves me correctly, he developed a style personalized for himself nobody else ever learned, and it was one helluva form.

And he wasn't turned by Vitiate. Vitiate tortured him for 300 years and he didn't give in.

[Bearon]

He actually held out for a long time as he was a double agent for the Republic before succumbing and if my memory recalls Revan was turned by Vitiate when he travelled into the unknown regions. As it is though I'm talking about factors relating to a fight. I believe Revan has the tactical skill advantage but that's about it.

He'd also have an advantage in lightsaber duels.

If memory serves me correctly, he developed a style personalized for himself nobody else ever learned, and it was one helluva form.

And he wasn't turned by Vitiate. Vitiate tortured him for 300 years and he didn't give in.

No I mean in KotOR 1 when he was turned the first time and attempted to conquer the Republic. Also it was never mentioned that Revan made his own form his form was never specified though it is my personal belief that Juyo was his preferred style as a Sith and Soresu's was his preferred style as a Jedi. Luke however created his own form variant called the 3 rings of defense and has mastered all lightsaber forms. His physicals also are far above anything Revan has shown. And in the force? There's no contest.

[Spoder]

He'd also have an advantage in lightsaber duels.

If memory serves me correctly, he developed a style personalized for himself nobody else ever learned, and it was one helluva form.

And he wasn't turned by Vitiate. Vitiate tortured him for 300 years and he didn't give in.

No I mean in KotOR 1 when he was turned the first time and attempted to conquer the Republic. Also it was never mentioned that Revan made his own form his form was never specified though it is my personal belief that Juyo was his preferred style as a Sith and Soresu's was his preferred style as a Jedi. Luke however created his own form variant called the 3 rings of defense and has mastered all lightsaber forms. His physicals also are far above anything Revan has shown. And in the force? There's no contest.

I'm fairly certain Revan turned of his own accord.

If I remember correctly, he took the mask of a fallen mandalorian and swore to fight the republic.

[Bearon]

No I mean in KotOR 1 when he was turned the first time and attempted to conquer the Republic. Also it was never mentioned that Revan made his own form his form was never specified though it is my personal belief that Juyo was his preferred style as a Sith and Soresu's was his preferred style as a Jedi. Luke however created his own form variant called the 3 rings of defense and has mastered all lightsaber forms. His physicals also are far above anything Revan has shown. And in the force? There's no contest.

I'm fairly certain Revan turned of his own accord.

If I remember correctly, he took the mask of a fallen mandalorian and swore to fight the republic.

Actually once he ended the Mandalorian Wars he went off to the unknown region and through multiple sources in the KotOR multiplayer it's revealed that Vitiate turned Malak and Revan when they had met him during their travels and that Vitiate had turned them to the Dark Side and wiped their memories sending them as an advance force to weaken the Republic.

[Brillnuck]

I'm fairly certain Revan turned of his own accord.

If I remember correctly, he took the mask of a fallen mandalorian and swore to fight the republic.

Actually once he ended the Mandalorian Wars he went off to the unknown region and through multiple sources in the KotOR multiplayer it's revealed that Vitiate turned Malak and Revan when they had met him during their travels and that Vitiate had turned them to the Dark Side and wiped their memories sending them as an advance force to weaken the Republic.

Correct. After the Jedi Civil War ended, Revan set out again to find the emperor and kill him, but he was betrayed and held captive until the Cold War.

[Bearon]

Actually once he ended the Mandalorian Wars he went off to the unknown region and through multiple sources in the KotOR multiplayer it's revealed that Vitiate turned Malak and Revan when they had met him during their travels and that Vitiate had turned them to the Dark Side and wiped their memories sending them as an advance force to weaken the Republic.

Correct. After the Jedi Civil War ended, Revan set out again to find the emperor and kill him, but he was betrayed and held captive until the Cold War.

Yep.

There's not much to say about this fight is there considering Luke stomps.

[Bearon]

Alright it's clear nothing will come of this debate given the small turnout even regarding the actual voting. As such I declare Luke Skywalker the winner.

[The Romulan Republic]

Here's a thought: what about Revan vs. Thrawn? Not a duel, obviously, since I doubt Thrawn could take Reven in a fight even if he had one of those Force-blocking creatures. Revan and Thrawn commanding fleets. Who's the better commander?

[Bearon]

Here's a thought: what about Revan vs. Thrawn? Not a duel, obviously, since I doubt Thrawn could take Reven in a fight even if he had one of those Force-blocking creatures. Revan and Thrawn commanding fleets. Who's the better commander?

Thrawn.

[Bearon]

Here's a thought: what about Revan vs. Thrawn? Not a duel, obviously, since I doubt Thrawn could take Reven in a fight even if he had one of those Force-blocking creatures. Revan and Thrawn commanding fleets. Who's the better commander?

You can suggest that as the upcoming fight if you'd like.

[Bearon]

Alright the poll for the next fight is up.

[The Orson Empire]

Here's a thought: what about Revan vs. Thrawn? Not a duel, obviously, since I doubt Thrawn could take Reven in a fight even if he had one of those Force-blocking creatures. Revan and Thrawn commanding fleets. Who's the better commander?

Thrawn, hands down.

[The Romulan Republic]

See, I think Thrawn is probably at least as good a tactician, and he might be more level-headed than Mr. Dark Side Revan, but I figured Revan's precognition would balance things out a bit.

[Bearon]

Alright both people in this fight are in command of a Republic fleet made up of two Mandator Class Star Dreadnaught, one Mandator Class II Star Dreadnaught, four Venator Class Star Destroyers, three Victory I Class Star Destroyers, six super cruisers that hold 100 BTL Y Wing Fighters and 100 ARC 170 Starfighters.

Links to the ships below.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aggressi ... tarfighter
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandator ... readnaught
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandator ... readnaught
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Victory_ ... _Destroyer
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator- ... _Destroyer
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-B_Y-wing_starfighter

I picked these particular ships because while they are far earlier models then those the Empire used they are similar in design and function. Thrawn finding himself in a random star system and in command of a strange fleet will immediately try to find out where he is and what kind of ships these are. Finding them to be like the Empire ships he's used to though a little less advanced they are the similar and Thrawn will quickly adjust to commanding his new fleet. I also believe Thrawn to be the better strategist then Revan but as it is Revan holds many advantages like battle meditation and precognition. I believe that giving Thrawn ships he'll be more familiar with and his superior skill will even the fight against the not as skilled strategist Revan who has advantages like precognition and can affect the battle via battle meditation.

With that let the debate begin.

[Idzequitch]

This isn't even a fair fight. Revan is an extremely skilled, very talented foot soldier, but as a commander, he shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Thrawn.

Thrawn is like the Star Wars version of Sherlock Holmes when it comes to strategy and tactics. Even with help from the Force, Revan can't overcome Thrawn's genius in a space battle

[Bearon]

This isn't even a fair fight. Revan is an extremely skilled, very talented foot soldier, but as a commander, he shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Thrawn.

Thrawn is like the Star Wars version of Sherlock Holmes when it comes to strategy and tactics. Even with help from the Force, Revan can't overcome Thrawn's genius in a space battle

I would tend to agree but it was the match that was voted on...

[Napkiraly]

This isn't even a fair fight. Revan is an extremely skilled, very talented foot soldier, but as a commander, he shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Thrawn.

Thrawn is like the Star Wars version of Sherlock HolmesHoratio Nelson when it comes to strategy and tactics. Even with help from the Force, Revan can't overcome Thrawn's genius in a space battle

An actual comparable figure is better.

[The Romulan Republic]

It was a hard choice for me but I voted for Thrawn. Revan's big edge is the Force, and Thrawn knows how to counter that. And even if he couldn't, he's the one working with familiar ships in this scenario. But there is a caveat: I think late-KotOR good Revan might do better as he would have no Dark Side influence impairing his mind but would have experience that early good guy Revan who lacks memories might not have. Though I don't think good Revan ever commanded a fleet.

[Bearon]

It was a hard choice for me but I voted for Thrawn. Revan's big edge is the Force, and Thrawn knows how to counter that. And even if he couldn't, he's the one working with familiar ships in this scenario. But there is a caveat: I think late-KotOR good Revan might do better as he would have no Dark Side influence impairing his mind but would have experience that early good guy Revan who lacks memories might not have. Though I don't think good Revan ever commanded a fleet.

Revan has commanded numerous fleets in the past and though I think Thrawn is the better tactician Revan is no slouch.

[The Romulan Republic]

It was a hard choice for me but I voted for Thrawn. Revan's big edge is the Force, and Thrawn knows how to counter that. And even if he couldn't, he's the one working with familiar ships in this scenario. But there is a caveat: I think late-KotOR good Revan might do better as he would have no Dark Side influence impairing his mind but would have experience that early good guy Revan who lacks memories might not have. Though I don't think good Revan ever commanded a fleet.

Revan has commanded numerous fleets in the past and though I think Thrawn is the better tactician Revan is no slouch.

Revan commanded a large force against the Mandalorians. But if its Revan after his memories were changed fighting Thrawn, he would not remember that, meaning he'd effectively have less experience.

[Bearon]

Revan has commanded numerous fleets in the past and though I think Thrawn is the better tactician Revan is no slouch.

Revan commanded a large force against the Mandalorians. But if its Revan after his memories were changed fighting Thrawn, he would not remember that, meaning he'd effectively have less experience.

In battles including tactical and non force user battles we take the characters in their prime so this is Revan in his prime as a commander during the Mandalorian Wars.

[Hatay]

Note: Disney has ruined the whole saga
Thrawn hands down. Or has Wookiepedia said: "Though Thrawn was dead, he would be remembered as the genius tactician, consummate strategist, and Imperial leader who nearly brought down the New Republic." You can't beat that. Sure Revan was impressive in Mandalore but still, Thrawn.

[Spoder]

Hahah you're fucking joking.

Thrawn was commanding a state-of-the-art, bleeding edge fleet and still couldn't get destroy a fledgling republic, with a tiny amount of Jedi on this republic's side.

Revan managed to terrorize and dominate a powerful republic, that had technology parallel to that of his sith empire's, and they had a copious amount of Jedi.

Not to mention, while Thrawn got his ass kicked by his betrayer so hard that he died, Revan came back and bucked that bitch Malak to the pavement.

Single combat? No competition. Thrawn has nothing on Revan.