Star Wars: Debate Thread

[Brillnuck]

Nihilus would get speed blitzed by any force user in the top 10.

Mhm.

Just asking, but do you think that there is no dark side or light side? I think that there is only the force. If I was in the SW Universe, I'd be a Grey Jedi.

[Bearon]

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I agree, people need to realize who Luke really is and the feats he has accomplished. Hell, he can make his body be with the force consciously even if it is going to make him have restrain in his body and he matches Yoda and Sidious in lightsaber prowess.

Shatterpoint could be a deciding factor but Dooku would most likely know that he has shatterpoint considering the fact that they served in the same council and were said to be friends. Also, Dooku with decades of refinement would probably wouldn't let his weaknesses show that easily. PS, Vaapad is Mace's main style despite mastering all the other Forms and Dooku has the advantage in lightsaber combat as Makashi is energy efficient not to mention Dooku has a general knowledge of all lightsaber forms, he has taught Ventress Jar'Kai, and has taught trained Grievous in the Jedi Arts to make him one of the top Jedi killers of his time(before Darth Vader) not to mention that I think that Dooku could have beaten Anakin, the only reason why Anakin one was because he is "the Chosen One" and is therefore protected.

By the way, Dooku has beaten Djem So users despite Makashi's weakness for this form and he can beat powerful Djem So users like Plo Koon.

This doesn't really matter considering that at his height, Mace WIndu was a telekinetic monster hopping around like he was on crack. The feats from the Clone Wars 2D cartoon simply blow Dooku out of the bloody water if we're going by Legends canon and not Disney.

Dooku had similar feats and he's actually faster then an unamped Mace which is who we are using as he's beaten Grievous numerous times and Mace couldn't land a blow on an imobile Grievous.

[Warpspace]

Nihilus would get speed blitzed by any force user in the top 10.

Mhm.

Just asking, but do you think that there is no dark side or light side? I think that there is only the force. If I was in the SW Universe, I'd be a Grey Jedi.

Considering the IP owner once went on record stating there is, Sith actually mutate and age from its effects, and Sith Sorcerery, there most definitely is.

[Brillnuck]

Mhm.

Just asking, but do you think that there is no dark side or light side? I think that there is only the force. If I was in the SW Universe, I'd be a Grey Jedi.

Considering the IP owner once went on record stating there is, Sith actually mutate and age from its effects, and Sith Sorcerery, there most definitely is.

The 'dark' side mutates you into a monster.

I've always wondered, why can't we see things from a Sith's point of view? Most of the SW movies, tv shows and EU show the Jedi's/Rebels point of view. It would be nice to see things from a Sith Lord's point of view.

[Bearon]

He never beat Dooku. They came close to fighting once but Dooku simply set his droids on Mace before leaving. He's used shatter points in duels before and though they've helped him it has never amounted to an instant win. Mace's telekinesis is nowhere near Dooku's level of telekinesis.

Agreed.

Nihilus would get speed blitzed by any force user in the top 10.

Not very likely though. The problem with Nihilus is that the only way to fight him is to be a "blank" in the force, to be a wound like him. Otherwise he could even kill Palpatine instantly be simply speaking a word and sucking his soul out.

And no, Mace's TK is laughably above Dooku's feats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF3ocZu4cZo

This scene in the Clone Wars by Mace is far above anything Dooku has ever demonstrated, with Mace pretty much flying across the battlefield while dropping TK force attacks that level hundreds of B2's instantly and would kill a human being instantly, including a Force Sensitive if it did (and likely would) penetrate Dooku's force shields eventually.

It takes time for Nihilus to drain his opponents and he is basically featless when it comes to dueling so I stand by my statement that any force user in the top 10 could blitz him.

Dooku has lifted dozens of stone columns that weighed several tons each, has collapsed buildings and caused cave ins along with breaking through multiple force users defenses on multiple different occasions. Nothing shown in the video is on par with the feats I listed.

[Bearon]

Nihilus would get speed blitzed by any force user in the top 10.

Mhm.

Just asking, but do you think that there is no dark side or light side? I think that there is only the force. If I was in the SW Universe, I'd be a Grey Jedi.

There's a light side and a dark side as shown in then novels.

[Brillnuck]

Mhm.

Just asking, but do you think that there is no dark side or light side? I think that there is only the force. If I was in the SW Universe, I'd be a Grey Jedi.

There's a light side and a dark side as shown in then novels.

I mean philosophically. Darth Gravid tried to combine Jedi teaching's with Sith ones, but ended up destroying them. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Gravid) He was killed by his apprentice.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jensaarai The Jensaarai also used Sith and Jedi teachings.

Just because we say that the dark side is bad and the light side is good because of feelings doesn't mean that those who use it are good or bad.

The Jedi Code is pretty restrictive (especially the emotion part).

[Warpspace]

Not very likely though. The problem with Nihilus is that the only way to fight him is to be a "blank" in the force, to be a wound like him. Otherwise he could even kill Palpatine instantly be simply speaking a word and sucking his soul out.

And no, Mace's TK is laughably above Dooku's feats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF3ocZu4cZo

This scene in the Clone Wars by Mace is far above anything Dooku has ever demonstrated, with Mace pretty much flying across the battlefield while dropping TK force attacks that level hundreds of B2's instantly and would kill a human being instantly, including a Force Sensitive if it did (and likely would) penetrate Dooku's force shields eventually.

It takes time for Nihilus to drain his opponents and he is basically featless when it comes to dueling so I stand by my statement that any force user in the top 10 could blitz him.

You really need to stop using Wookieepedia for everything mate. No. the only opponents that stood up to him were those weak in the force or voids (Meetra Surik). Everyone else died. Or did you completely forget how Nihilus instantly killed all life on a planet instantly after simply speaking, and sucked away all their souls?

Dooku has lifted dozens of stone columns that weighed several tons each, has collapsed buildings and caused cave ins along with breaking through multiple force users defenses on multiple different occasions. Nothing shown in the video is on par with the feats I listed.

Weight has no meaning in the force. What matters is how you use it, and the speed, something dooku has never done. He may be able to lift several tonnes of stone, but Mace can take a pile of scrap and accelerate it to supersonic speeds.

[Kazirstan]

One-on-one, Count Dooku would probably win. Dooku was able to take on Yoda, even if it was only for a short time. An individual Sith is generally more powerful than the average individual Jedi. Although, Anakin Skywalker was able to defeat Dooku, but I guess he was already halfway to becoming a Sith at that point.

[Bearon]

It takes time for Nihilus to drain his opponents and he is basically featless when it comes to dueling so I stand by my statement that any force user in the top 10 could blitz him.

You really need to stop using Wookieepedia for everything mate. No. the only opponents that stood up to him were those weak in the force or voids (Meetra Surik). Everyone else died. Or did you completely forget how Nihilus instantly killed all life on a planet instantly after simply speaking, and sucked away all their souls?

Dooku has lifted dozens of stone columns that weighed several tons each, has collapsed buildings and caused cave ins along with breaking through multiple force users defenses on multiple different occasions. Nothing shown in the video is on par with the feats I listed.

Weight has no meaning in the force. What matters is how you use it, and the speed, something dooku has never done. He may be able to lift several tonnes of stone, but Mace can take a pile of scrap and accelerate it to supersonic speeds.

I don't read Wookipeedia. Yesterday was my first time though I found it to be interesting. He didn't speak he drew on the force to consume a world and it took time meaning he could be blitzed by anyone fast enough.

Weight has no meaning in the force? That's BS it's shown that more powerful users are able to lift more then weaker ones. Dooku has kept up with Yoda in Dark Rendezvous and on Geonosis and Yoda kept up with Sidious for a good part of their fight. Besides that in the EU Dooku and Mace have sparred and each won and lost against eachother hinting at equivalent speed and this was in dueling only which negates one of Dooku's main advantages the force.

[Bearon]

One-on-one, Count Dooku would probably win. Dooku was able to take on Yoda, even if it was only for a short time. An individual Sith is generally more powerful than the average individual Jedi. Although, Anakin Skywalker was able to defeat Dooku, but I guess he was already halfway to becoming a Sith at that point.

Well Anakin was being groomed by Sidious since childhood so he was definitely an unorthodox Jedi. But Sith generally being more powerful then a Jedi isn't true it just seems like that because of the Rule of Two which had a system in which each of the successors were more powerful then the other.

[Bearon]

Alright the poll is over and the winner is Mace Windu 29-16. We have Revan vs GM Luke Skywalker as our first suggestion if no others are suggested this will be our next match.

[Spoder]

Spod I do have to thank you though for introducing me to Wookipeedia. It's truly an amazing site.

Oh yeah no problem.

I can say it's actually extremely reliable, as I encountered most the content I found in it on the EU was parallel to what was in my EU encyclopedia, which was a ~400 page book full of really handy info.


And on the topic of the Massassi, they were bred for obedience but they solely obeyed their masters. Which is why I am calling them willful. And training them to be obedient took quite some time. And they were undoubtedly the physically strongest.

[Spoder]

Alright the poll is over and the winner is Mace Windu 29-16. We have Revan vs GM Luke Skywalker as our first suggestion if no others are suggested this will be our next match.

Wait.

How about Mandalore the Ultimate vs Cassius Fett?

[Bearon]

Spod I do have to thank you though for introducing me to Wookipeedia. It's truly an amazing site.

Oh yeah no problem.

I can say it's actually extremely reliable, as I encountered most the content I found in it on the EU was parallel to what was in my EU encyclopedia, which was a ~400 page book full of really handy info.


And on the topic of the Massassi, they were bred for obedience but they solely obeyed their masters. Which is why I am calling them willful. And training them to be obedient took quite some time. And they were undoubtedly the physically strongest.

I understand and regardless of the number it's still an impressive feat for Sadow just not on par with Sidious.

Alright the poll is over and the winner is Mace Windu 29-16. We have Revan vs GM Luke Skywalker as our first suggestion if no others are suggested this will be our next match.

Wait.

How about Mandalore the Ultimate vs Cassius Fett?

That will be in the running to. We have 1 for Revan vs Luke and 1 for Ultimate vs Cassius.

[Spoder]

Oh yeah no problem.

I can say it's actually extremely reliable, as I encountered most the content I found in it on the EU was parallel to what was in my EU encyclopedia, which was a ~400 page book full of really handy info.


And on the topic of the Massassi, they were bred for obedience but they solely obeyed their masters. Which is why I am calling them willful. And training them to be obedient took quite some time. And they were undoubtedly the physically strongest.

I understand and regardless of the number it's still an impressive feat for Sadow just not on par with Sidious.

Not Sadow, but Exar Kun.

Gnost Dural claims he had unparalleled lightsaber skills.

He attained what Sidious never could. Immortality. He didn't die and become a weak spirit as many other jedi.

He left his mortal body, while retaining the ability to influence the physical world.


Before then, he could emit force blast powerful enough to turn walls into dust.

He mastered sith alchemy to the point where he could create terentateks and night beasts.

[Bearon]

I understand and regardless of the number it's still an impressive feat for Sadow just not on par with Sidious.

Not Sadow, but Exar Kun.

Gnost Dural claims he had unparalleled lightsaber skills.

He attained what Sidious never could. Immortality. He didn't die and become a weak spirit as many other jedi.

He left his mortal body, while retaining the ability to influence the physical world.


Before then, he could emit force blast powerful enough to turn walls into dust.

He mastered sith alchemy to the point where he could create terentateks and night beasts.

Didn't you say Sadow was the one to drain them?

Like the "Heart of the Force" quote it's a good accolade but I don't know if the feats are there to back it up.

Sidious achieved a form of immortality but that doesn't necessarily prove strength in the force for either Kun or Sidious.

Most Force Ghosts can.

[Bearon]

If I may suggest the next fight I would say RotS Obi Wan vs Kit Fisto. I know Kit Fisto was proved to be Obi Wan's better in "The Cestus Deception" but this was midway through the Clone Wars and Obi Wan grew in power and improved his Lightsaber skills a lot by RotS.

[Bearon]

Polls up to decide the next fight.

[Bearon]

Guys we need somebody to break the tie and begin the next round.

[The Orson Empire]

I think it is pretty reasonable to expect Luke Skywalker, especially at his Grand Master level, to be one of, if not the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. After all, Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker, who was the Chosen One and had a midichlorian count that was higher than even Yoda's.

Had Anakin not been horrifically burned and forced to wear a life-support suit, his powers would probably be god-like.

[Bearon]

I think it is pretty reasonable to expect Luke Skywalker, especially at his Grand Master level, to be one of, if not the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. After all, Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker, who was the Chosen One and had a midichlorian count that was higher than even Yoda's.

Had Anakin not been horrifically burned and forced to wear a life-support suit, his powers would probably be god-like.

Just as Luke's are. I mean come on manipulating black holes, being able to achieve oneness at will, and projecting his presence across the galaxy are pretty godlike.

[The Orson Empire]

I think it is pretty reasonable to expect Luke Skywalker, especially at his Grand Master level, to be one of, if not the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. After all, Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker, who was the Chosen One and had a midichlorian count that was higher than even Yoda's.

Had Anakin not been horrifically burned and forced to wear a life-support suit, his powers would probably be god-like.

Just as Luke's are. I mean come on manipulating black holes, being able to achieve oneness at will, and projecting his presence across the galaxy are pretty godlike.

Indeed.

[Bearon]

Just as Luke's are. I mean come on manipulating black holes, being able to achieve oneness at will, and projecting his presence across the galaxy are pretty godlike.

Indeed.

Alright posting the next fight. Revan Reborn vs Grand Master Luke Skywalker.

[Bearon]

There's not much to say about this match in my opinion. GM Luke is more powerful then Revan in every single way. Period.