Star Wars: Debate Thread

[Bearon]

It doesn't matter if you think they could do it if they haven't canonically done it you can't logically apply it to this fight.

Yes you can.

Over several instances, a force user's power has been implied in the series.


Revan survived 300 years of torture.

He managed to destroy a sith, despite this sith having his powers being multiplied by an incredible amount as he was utilizing the Star Forge.

Darth Krayt is also quite powerful, as was Exar Kun. Both undoubtedly more so than Palpatine. Hell, it's possible Exar Kun is more powerful than Revan.

No you cannot.

Revan was kept in stasis by Vitiate.

He was able to defeat Malak a Sith of unknown power.

Why do you say that?

[United States Kingdom]

Even better!

That's not even his most impressive feat though considering the fact that he could just basically open up a black hole on any opponent besides GM Luke.

And he was able to beat Luke in their first encounter in a lightsaber duel. Despite Luke not being at his prime in terms of lightsaber combat, he was still extremely powerful and that was an impressive feat. Just note that in their second encounter, Luke defeated Palpatine but Palpatine was still able to hold up for a while.

[Bearon]

Actually he's disintegrated people into ash before and melted durasteel with just his lightning. ^^

Fancy lightning.

Starkiller does better.

And he's not even fucking close to Revan.

Starkiller is proficient in the use of lightning and perhaps has come close to Palpatine's own but that hardly matters as lightning is one of the least important aspects of a fight.

Why do you say he's not close to Revan?

[Spoder]

Yes you can.

Over several instances, a force user's power has been implied in the series.


Revan survived 300 years of torture.

He managed to destroy a sith, despite this sith having his powers being multiplied by an incredible amount as he was utilizing the Star Forge.

Darth Krayt is also quite powerful, as was Exar Kun. Both undoubtedly more so than Palpatine. Hell, it's possible Exar Kun is more powerful than Revan.

No you cannot.

Revan was kept in stasis by Vitiate.

He was able to defeat Malak a Sith of unknown power.

Why do you say that?

Read up Exar Kun and Darth Krayt.


Malak was being boosted by the Star Forge. Even a meek apprentice would have power comparable to the greatest of sith lords if they were utilizing the Star Forge.

It sounds to me like you're just fanboying over your wrinkly old fuck.

[Bearon]

That's not even his most impressive feat though considering the fact that he could just basically open up a black hole on any opponent besides GM Luke.

And he was able to beat Luke in their first encounter in a lightsaber duel. Despite Luke not being at his prime in terms of lightsaber combat, he was still extremely powerful and that was an impressive feat. Just note that in their second encounter, Luke defeated Palpatine but Palpatine was still able to hold up for a while.

Well in the second encounter he had Leia helping him so it's possible Sidious could have won the duel at that point also.

[United States Kingdom]

Actually he's disintegrated people into ash before and melted durasteel with just his lightning. ^^

Fancy lightning.

Starkiller does better.

And he's not even fucking close to Revan.

StarKiller has raw power, nothing else. He is just like Anakin, he uses raw power but never had the time to reach his full potential. Yes I am aware that Palpatine stated that StarKiller could even much him some day but guess what? he didn't. Also be more specific because their are three starkillers, the original one, Galen Marek and two other clones.

[Spoder]

Fancy lightning.

Starkiller does better.

And he's not even fucking close to Revan.

Starkiller is proficient in the use of lightning and perhaps has come close to Palpatine's own but that hardly matters as lightning is one of the least important aspects of a fight.

Why do you say he's not close to Revan?

Because his accomplishments come nowhere near Revan's.

Revan, in the end never lost a fight. Even when he did, he always came back and won the rematch. The old republic canon never mentions how he died, or if he even did die.

[United States Kingdom]

And he was able to beat Luke in their first encounter in a lightsaber duel. Despite Luke not being at his prime in terms of lightsaber combat, he was still extremely powerful and that was an impressive feat. Just note that in their second encounter, Luke defeated Palpatine but Palpatine was still able to hold up for a while.

Well in the second encounter he had Leia helping him so it's possible Sidious could have won the duel at that point also.

Really? I never knew that. Totally forgot about it.

[Bearon]

No you cannot.

Revan was kept in stasis by Vitiate.

He was able to defeat Malak a Sith of unknown power.

Why do you say that?

Read up Exar Kun and Darth Krayt.


Malak was being boosted by the Star Forge. Even a meek apprentice would have power comparable to the greatest of sith lords if they were utilizing the Star Forge.

It sounds to me like you're just fanboying over your wrinkly old fuck.

I've read up on both.

You can't say that with any confidence considering they never specified how amped a force user would be when using the Star Forge.

I enjoy Dooku as a character but I am most certainly not a fanboy.

[Bearon]

Starkiller is proficient in the use of lightning and perhaps has come close to Palpatine's own but that hardly matters as lightning is one of the least important aspects of a fight.

Why do you say he's not close to Revan?

Because his accomplishments come nowhere near Revan's.

Revan, in the end never lost a fight. Even when he did, he always came back and won the rematch. The old republic canon never mentions how he died, or if he even did die.

He actually did lose a fight to Vitiate and the Sith group in the KotOR multiplayer.

Where was the rematch with either of them?

Revan actually went to a similar station as the Star Forge called The Foundry where he began building a army of droid assassins with which to defeat Vitiate with. It is unknown what happened to him after that point.

[United States Kingdom]

No you cannot.

Revan was kept in stasis by Vitiate.

He was able to defeat Malak a Sith of unknown power.

Why do you say that?

Read up Exar Kun and Darth Krayt.


Malak was being boosted by the Star Forge. Even a meek apprentice would have power comparable to the greatest of sith lords if they were utilizing the Star Forge.

It sounds to me like you're just fanboying over your wrinkly old fuck.

No. I just know a lot about Star Wars and can beat your opinion with facts. I am not even above 20 years old. I
Palpatine was born after the Star Forge was destroyed. Also, can Exar Kun and Darth Krayt fight on equal terms with Yoda. Nop.

[Bearon]

Well in the second encounter he had Leia helping him so it's possible Sidious could have won the duel at that point also.

Really? I never knew that. Totally forgot about it.

She provided a lot of support through the force and bolstered Luke. It also has to do with a prophecy of how Sidious would be defeated by the twins working together or something along those lines implying he could beat them individually.

[The Orson Empire]

Can Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and Revan be able to 1. summon a force storm which devours worlds? Nop. 2. Can they be able to master all lightsaber forms to their highest profiency? Nop 3. Can they be able to defeat Grand Master Yoda or at least somewhat hold him off? Nop

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

Also, what about that one Sith Lord that destroyed an entire star system?

[Bearon]

Fancy lightning.

Starkiller does better.

And he's not even fucking close to Revan.

StarKiller has raw power, nothing else. He is just like Anakin, he uses raw power but never had the time to reach his full potential. Yes I am aware that Palpatine stated that StarKiller could even much him some day but guess what? he didn't. Also be more specific because their are three starkillers, the original one, Galen Marek and two other clones.

Two other clones? I thought there was one other...

[Bearon]

1. Yep

2. Yep

3. Um, yeah


Hell Nihilus fits two of those 3 descriptions.

You need to read up on Revan, and Naga Sadow.

Also, what about that one Sith Lord that destroyed an entire star system?

Which Sith? >_>

[The Orson Empire]

Also, what about that one Sith Lord that destroyed an entire star system?

Which Sith? >_>

I can't remember.

[United States Kingdom]

StarKiller has raw power, nothing else. He is just like Anakin, he uses raw power but never had the time to reach his full potential. Yes I am aware that Palpatine stated that StarKiller could even much him some day but guess what? he didn't. Also be more specific because their are three starkillers, the original one, Galen Marek and two other clones.

Two other clones? I thought there was one other...

Really? I thought they were two clones. Sorry about that.

[Spoder]

Not Dooku, Palpatine.

Exar Kun drained the life force from an entire fucking race.

Even as a spirit, he still kicked ass.


Revan had precognition. He killed Mandalore the Ultimate in single combat.

Kreia claims looking at Revan was like staring into the heart of the force.

He knew both light and dark.


He had farsight. He burned Darth Nyriss into ash by redirecting her own sith lightning.

He commanded an entire empire from the front lines.

[Spoder]

Two other clones? I thought there was one other...

Really? I thought they were two clones. Sorry about that.

Well, technically there's a lot of clones.

A lot.

Only two active ones, but a lot.

[Bearon]

Which Sith? >_>

I can't remember.

I can't seem to remember either. Hmmm...

Two other clones? I thought there was one other...

Really? I thought they were two clones. Sorry about that.

Well there was Galen Marek, Starkiller ( Good Clone ), Bad Clone. Who was the fourth?

[Spoder]

I think he may be talking about the Vultar Cataclysm, which was an accident.

[Bearon]

Not Dooku, Palpatine.

Exar Kun drained the life force from an entire fucking race.

Even as a spirit, he still kicked ass.


Revan had precognition. He killed Mandalore the Ultimate in single combat.

Kreia claims looking at Revan was like staring into the heart of the force.

He knew both light and dark.


He had farsight. He burned Darth Nyriss into ash by redirecting her own sith lightning.

He commanded an entire empire from the front lines.

I may not be knowledgeable on all Exar Kun's feats but I know Sidious mind wiping an entire planet beats mind wiping an entire race.

Same with Palpatine. He was able to use Essence Transfer to come back to life multiple times.


Most Jedi and Sith have precognition.

Impressive accolades but the feats just aren't there to back it up.

Many Jedi and Sith did.

An impressive feat.

More of a tactical feat but I'll give you that.

[Bearon]

Really? I thought they were two clones. Sorry about that.

Well, technically there's a lot of clones.

A lot.

Only two active ones, but a lot.

Yeah but we're talking about the main ones not the meat bags Vader used to distract the Good Clone.

I think he may be talking about the Vultar Cataclysm, which was an accident.

Something I don't know about? Do tell.

[Spoder]

Not Dooku, Palpatine.

Exar Kun drained the life force from an entire fucking race.

Even as a spirit, he still kicked ass.


Revan had precognition. He killed Mandalore the Ultimate in single combat.

Kreia claims looking at Revan was like staring into the heart of the force.

He knew both light and dark.


He had farsight. He burned Darth Nyriss into ash by redirecting her own sith lightning.

He commanded an entire empire from the front lines.

I may not be knowledgeable on all Exar Kun's feats but I know Sidious mind wiping an entire planet beats mind wiping a race.

Same with Palpatine. He was able to use Essence Transfer to come back to life multiple times.


Most Jedi and Sith have precognition.

Impressive accolades but the feats just aren't there to back it up.

Many Jedi and Sith did.

An impressive feat.

More of a tactical feat but I'll give you that.

I'm pretty sure mind-wiping the Massassi is more impressive than mind-wiping a planet, considering they're on a lot more planets than one.

[Bearon]

I may not be knowledgeable on all Exar Kun's feats but I know Sidious mind wiping an entire planet beats mind wiping a race.

Same with Palpatine. He was able to use Essence Transfer to come back to life multiple times.


Most Jedi and Sith have precognition.

Impressive accolades but the feats just aren't there to back it up.

Many Jedi and Sith did.

An impressive feat.

More of a tactical feat but I'll give you that.

I'm pretty sure mind-wiping the Massassi is more impressive than mind-wiping a planet, considering they're on a lot more planets than one.

Can you explain the situation in which it happened or link a source to it?