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Postby Conscentia » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:55 am

DesAnges wrote:I'd like a return to a really strange costume as well. 11's wasn't really strange, it was just playing up to the hipster scene.

Give me another rainbow coat or cricket whites.

How about a lab coat over a medieval tunic?

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Postby Untaroicht » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:17 am

A quick question for professional whovians:

I have watched a fair bit of both the classic series and the new series (I was introduced to the show by a online reviewer named Nash who would riff some of the bad episodes from the classic era), but I can safely say I am no expert on the dr. who mythos. However, one thing is starting to confuse me about the relation between the old series and the new:

Is the doctor still half-human like he was in the movie?

Apparently the new series has acknowledged the 1996 TV movie as canon, confirming that the 8th incarnation of the doctor was, in fact, Paul Mcgann, but would that also apply to the idea the 1996 movie proposed saying that the doctor was half-human on his mother's side?

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Postby The Floor Kippers » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:18 am

Untaroicht wrote:A quick question for professional whovians:

I have watched a fair bit of both the classic series and the new series (I was introduced to the show by a online reviewer named Nash who would riff some of the bad episodes from the classic era), but I can safely say I am no expert on the dr. who mythos. However, one thing is starting to confuse me about the relation between the old series and the new:

Is the doctor still half-human like he was in the movie?

Apparently the new series has acknowledged the 1996 TV movie as canon, confirming that the 8th incarnation of the doctor was, in fact, Paul Mcgann, but would that also apply to the idea the 1996 movie proposed saying that the doctor was half-human on his mother's side?

Thanks.

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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:20 am

The Floor Kippers wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:A quick question for professional whovians:

I have watched a fair bit of both the classic series and the new series (I was introduced to the show by a online reviewer named Nash who would riff some of the bad episodes from the classic era), but I can safely say I am no expert on the dr. who mythos. However, one thing is starting to confuse me about the relation between the old series and the new:

Is the doctor still half-human like he was in the movie?

Apparently the new series has acknowledged the 1996 TV movie as canon, confirming that the 8th incarnation of the doctor was, in fact, Paul Mcgann, but would that also apply to the idea the 1996 movie proposed saying that the doctor was half-human on his mother's side?

Thanks.

NO.
I hope I answered everything.

There are numerous theories as to just what was going on there, such as a.) Eight is a maniac, b.) a chameleon arch, c.) the movie was terrible, d.) the movie was terrible, and e.) the movie was fucking terrible.

I'm partial to Option E, myself. Which is a pity, because Eight is great.
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Postby DesAnges » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:26 am

Some on Tumblr weren't too happy, I see.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:29 am

DesAnges wrote:Some on Tumblr weren't too happy, I see.

This is just one of the many layers as to why this choice is so fantastic.
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:32 am

DesAnges wrote:Some on Tumblr weren't too happy, I see.


Those people have fortunately and surprisingly been in the minority.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:36 am

DesAnges wrote:Some on Tumblr weren't too happy, I see.

Inspecting the tags shows that the majority of these people are pissed that Peter Capaldi is white, heterosexual, and male.

Listen, if you look at Capaldi and your immediate thought is "Damn it, he's straight!", it may be time for some introspection.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:37 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:NO.
I hope I answered everything.

There are numerous theories as to just what was going on there, such as a.) Eight is a maniac, b.) a chameleon arch, c.) the movie was terrible, d.) the movie was terrible, and e.) the movie was fucking terrible.

I'm partial to Option E, myself. Which is a pity, because Eight is great.


Could it be that the Doctor lied for some reason?
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:39 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:There are numerous theories as to just what was going on there, such as a.) Eight is a maniac, b.) a chameleon arch, c.) the movie was terrible, d.) the movie was terrible, and e.) the movie was fucking terrible.

I'm partial to Option E, myself. Which is a pity, because Eight is great.


Could it be that the Doctor lied for some reason?

If I remember correctly, both he and the Master just randomly blurt it out, serving no plot purpose whatsoever. (It was originally a plot point in an earlier draft of the script, which wormed its way into rewrites.)

This can be reconciled by the fact that both had recently acquired new bodies, and were both a bit out there.
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Postby Fedeledland » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:45 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Some on Tumblr weren't too happy, I see.

Inspecting the tags shows that the majority of these people are pissed that Peter Capaldi is white, heterosexual, and male.

Listen, if you look at Capaldi and your immediate thought is "Damn it, he's straight!", it may be time for some introspection.


It's just the Britta Perrys of the Doctor Who fan community calling small idiotic details racist sexist or homophobic when they aren't at all and even if they were it'd be nothing in comparison with real racism sexism or homophobia they could be actually organising stuff against.

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DesAnges wrote:I'd like a return to a really strange costume as well. 11's wasn't really strange, it was just playing up to the hipster scene.

Give me another rainbow coat or cricket whites.

How about a lab coat over a medieval tunic?


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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:49 am

Fedeledland wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Inspecting the tags shows that the majority of these people are pissed that Peter Capaldi is white, heterosexual, and male.

Listen, if you look at Capaldi and your immediate thought is "Damn it, he's straight!", it may be time for some introspection.


It's just the Britta Perrys of the Doctor Who fan community calling small idiotic details racist sexist or homophobic when they aren't at all and even if they were it'd be nothing in comparison with real racism sexism or homophobia they could be actually organising stuff against.

I wouldn't mind a non-"standard" Doctor, in race, sex, or sexuality (though why it matters if the Doctor is heterosexual or not, I don't know - that doesn't change anything about the character, who has his own sexual preferences), but I see no reason to campaign for it.

They chose a very distinguished actor who only occasionally screams bloody murder at politicians - no matter what "side" of the nonexistent debate you're on, even if you didn't want an older Doctor, how is that not, in of itself, cause for celebration?
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Postby Fedeledland » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:53 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Fedeledland wrote:
It's just the Britta Perrys of the Doctor Who fan community calling small idiotic details racist sexist or homophobic when they aren't at all and even if they were it'd be nothing in comparison with real racism sexism or homophobia they could be actually organising stuff against.

I wouldn't mind a non-"standard" Doctor, in race, sex, or sexuality (though why it matters if the Doctor is heterosexual or not, I don't know - that doesn't change anything about the character, who has his own sexual preferences), but I see no reason to campaign for it.

They chose a very distinguished actor who only occasionally screams bloody murder at politicians - no matter what "side" of the nonexistent debate you're on, even if you didn't want an older Doctor, how is that not, in of itself, cause for celebration?


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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:56 am

Fedeledland wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I wouldn't mind a non-"standard" Doctor, in race, sex, or sexuality (though why it matters if the Doctor is heterosexual or not, I don't know - that doesn't change anything about the character, who has his own sexual preferences), but I see no reason to campaign for it.

They chose a very distinguished actor who only occasionally screams bloody murder at politicians - no matter what "side" of the nonexistent debate you're on, even if you didn't want an older Doctor, how is that not, in of itself, cause for celebration?


Because tumblr is insane.

Oh God.

I don't pretend that Moffat is some kind of social revolutionary, but he's not sexist (or at least not to any major extent). He writes about the Doctor, who is male, and likes to write fairy tales about him - so, is it a bit strange that Amy is obsessed over a man? Yes, but that's how things work in fairy tales. If Peter Pan left her behind, Wendy would have trouble forgetting.
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From a word to a word I was led to a word,
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:58 am

Astrolinium wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc

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I laughed, very very loudly.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:58 am

Astrolinium wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc

:rofl:
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Postby Fedeledland » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:00 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:

Oh God.

I don't pretend that Moffat is some kind of social revolutionary, but he's not sexist (or at least not to any major extent). He writes about the Doctor, who is male, and likes to write fairy tales about him - so, is it a bit strange that Amy is obsessed over a man? Yes, but that's how things work in fairy tales. If Peter Pan left her behind, Wendy would have trouble forgetting.


Yeah, these people are just drawing up stuff where it doesn't exist.

The problem is, people believe it's true.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:04 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:

Oh God.

I don't pretend that Moffat is some kind of social revolutionary, but he's not sexist (or at least not to any major extent). He writes about the Doctor, who is male, and likes to write fairy tales about him - so, is it a bit strange that Amy is obsessed over a man? Yes, but that's how things work in fairy tales. If Peter Pan left her behind, Wendy would have trouble forgetting.


"Blink" had a female protagonist who was the most competent character in the episode.

That doesn't seem like something a hard-core sexist would write.

But Moffat was a much better writer then.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:08 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Oh God.

I don't pretend that Moffat is some kind of social revolutionary, but he's not sexist (or at least not to any major extent). He writes about the Doctor, who is male, and likes to write fairy tales about him - so, is it a bit strange that Amy is obsessed over a man? Yes, but that's how things work in fairy tales. If Peter Pan left her behind, Wendy would have trouble forgetting.


"Blink" had a female protagonist who was the most competent character in the episode.

That doesn't seem like something a hard-core sexist would write.

But Moffat was a much better writer then.

I disagree, but really don't want to do an argument about Moffat's writing quality. I prefer being annoyed by stupid people to having a stupid argument.

To be fair, Sparrow did have some focus on romance, in much the same way a movie might - what I like about Blink is that it tells Sparrow's story, which could fill an entire program with enough filler, in forty-five minutes while still managing to give Ten and Martha a role.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:11 am

The Floor Kippers wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc

"Run you clever boy"
"Oh Fuck off"
I laughed, very very loudly.

"EX-TER-MIN-ATE!"

"Oh, fuck you, you fucking tin can piece-of-time-shit. You come in here, with your fucking Martian UF-fucking-O flying saucers, throwing a fucking fit and fucking shooting people left and fucking right. What the fuck is your problem? What the fuck is wrong with you, you plunger-armed fuckers? I will shove that fucking eggbeater in your fucking eyestock, push it into your fucking brain, and wiggle it fucking around."

"I-DENTIFY!"

"Fuck you, I'm the Doctor. Now fuck off!"

We're going to be very disappointed when he doesn't actually talk like this.
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Postby The Floor Kippers » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:13 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:"Run you clever boy"
"Oh Fuck off"
I laughed, very very loudly.

"EX-TER-MIN-ATE!"

"Oh, fuck you, you fucking tin can piece-of-time-shit. You come in here, with your fucking Martian UF-fucking-O flying saucers, throwing a fucking fit and fucking shooting people left and fucking right. What the fuck is your problem? What the fuck is wrong with you, you plunger-armed fuckers? I will shove that fucking eggbeater in your fucking eyestock, push it into your fucking brain, and wiggle it fucking around."

"I-DENTIFY!"

"Fuck you, I'm the Doctor. Now fuck off!"

We're going to be very disappointed when he doesn't actually talk like this.

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Postby DesAnges » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:14 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
The Floor Kippers wrote:"Run you clever boy"
"Oh Fuck off"
I laughed, very very loudly.

"EX-TER-MIN-ATE!"

"Oh, fuck you, you fucking tin can piece-of-time-shit. You come in here, with your fucking Martian UF-fucking-O flying saucers, throwing a fucking fit and fucking shooting people left and fucking right. What the fuck is your problem? What the fuck is wrong with you, you plunger-armed fuckers? I will shove that fucking eggbeater in your fucking eyestock, push it into your fucking brain, and wiggle it fucking around."

"I-DENTIFY!"

"Fuck you, I'm the Doctor. Now fuck off!"

We're going to be very disappointed when he doesn't actually talk like this.

So very immensely disappointed. I may have to mentally substitute in swear words to cope.

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Oh God.

I don't pretend that Moffat is some kind of social revolutionary, but he's not sexist (or at least not to any major extent). He writes about the Doctor, who is male, and likes to write fairy tales about him - so, is it a bit strange that Amy is obsessed over a man? Yes, but that's how things work in fairy tales. If Peter Pan left her behind, Wendy would have trouble forgetting.


"Blink" had a female protagonist who was the most competent character in the episode.

That doesn't seem like something a hard-core sexist would write.

But Moffat was a much better writer then.

Nancy from The Empty Child double was always a compelling character.
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