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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:36 pm

I like Against Me! And Rise Against. I can't think of any other punk bands I like right now, but I don't pay attention to genre that much.
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Postby Cosumar » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:38 pm

Listened to Minor Threat today. Very disappointed. Some of the most bland and lifeless 80s hardcore I've heard. All the songs were exactly the same, even for punk. I'll stick to Black Flag and Dead Kennedys.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:52 pm

Cosumar wrote:Listened to Minor Threat today. Very disappointed. Some of the most bland and lifeless 80s hardcore I've heard. All the songs were exactly the same, even for punk. I'll stick to Black Flag and Dead Kennedys.


Your complaint seems to be with 80s hardcore, not with Minor Threat. Black Flag and Dead Kennedys were west coast punk bands that influenced hardcore; Minor Threat were hardcore.
Dead Kennedys and Black Flag lack the focus and conciseness that seems to define hardcore punk.

If you listen to Bad Brains or DC Youth Brigade or State of Alert (featuring Henry Rollins before he was Henry Rollins) compared to DKs or Black Flag the difference should stand out. A lot of the 'Decline of Western Civilization' bands were called hardcore punk, but prior to 1980 that just meant 'dedicated to punk rock and the DIY culture', the hardcore punk sound hadn't emerged fully yet. The East Coast bands that formed around 1980 defined the sound.
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Postby Cosumar » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:30 pm

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Cosumar wrote:Listened to Minor Threat today. Very disappointed. Some of the most bland and lifeless 80s hardcore I've heard. All the songs were exactly the same, even for punk. I'll stick to Black Flag and Dead Kennedys.


Your complaint seems to be with 80s hardcore, not with Minor Threat. Black Flag and Dead Kennedys were west coast punk bands that influenced hardcore; Minor Threat were hardcore.
Dead Kennedys and Black Flag lack the focus and conciseness that seems to define hardcore punk.

If you listen to Bad Brains or DC Youth Brigade or State of Alert (featuring Henry Rollins before he was Henry Rollins) compared to DKs or Black Flag the difference should stand out. A lot of the 'Decline of Western Civilization' bands were called hardcore punk, but prior to 1980 that just meant 'dedicated to punk rock and the DIY culture', the hardcore punk sound hadn't emerged fully yet. The East Coast bands that formed around 1980 defined the sound.

Good to know. I really like Bad Brains though.
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Cosumar wrote:Listened to Minor Threat today. Very disappointed. Some of the most bland and lifeless 80s hardcore I've heard. All the songs were exactly the same, even for punk. I'll stick to Black Flag and Dead Kennedys.


Seinfeld effect.
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Postby Filthy Ginger Bastards » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:15 pm

Just watched Circle Jerks: My Career As a Jerk. In some ways it made me like them more, and certain members less. Regardless, it got the creative juices flowing. Also picked up some sick old punk records and some Henry Rollins spoken word.

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The REAL Glasers wrote:
Cosumar wrote:Listened to Minor Threat today. Very disappointed. Some of the most bland and lifeless 80s hardcore I've heard. All the songs were exactly the same, even for punk. I'll stick to Black Flag and Dead Kennedys.


Seinfeld effect.

Explain?
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:03 pm

Cosumar wrote:
The REAL Glasers wrote:
Seinfeld effect.

Explain?


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dIsUnfunny

Pretty much every HC band after them emulated that sound which makes them sound bland, unimaginative, etc. even though they were among the first.
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The REAL Glasers wrote:
Cosumar wrote:Explain?


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dIsUnfunny

Pretty much every HC band after them emulated that sound which makes them sound bland, unimaginative, etc. even though they were among the first.

Ah, that makes sense. It's like when my friend, who is just now starting to get into metal, said Black Sabbath is boring.
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Anyone like Gorilla Biscuits or Ten Yard Fight?
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Postby Demen 2 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:15 pm

Oh lord a punk thread


I have a pretty huge love for punk music and the -core genres it spawned

My favorite punk band is the crust punk outfit Fall of Efrafa.

Even though my favorite punk outfit is crust punk, it's hard to pinpoint a specific sub genre I like most

I mean almost every subgenre has something good to it, something that makes the subgenre more interesting and opens the way for more artists in that subgenre to be discovered. I like crust a lot and bands like Amebix and From Ashes Rise resonate with me still.

And the cores (mostly early-mid 90's metalcore and post-hardcore) are also very good. They really aren't considered punk or metal, but I feel like they'd make more sense in this thread as they normally borrow more from punk. Bands like Converge, Rorschach, Quicksand and Chavez are a few of my favorite -core bands
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Postby Dead Names » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:55 pm

Demen 2 wrote:Oh lord a punk thread


I have a pretty huge love for punk music and the -core genres it spawned

My favorite punk band is the crust punk outfit Fall of Efrafa.

Even though my favorite punk outfit is crust punk, it's hard to pinpoint a specific sub genre I like most

I mean almost every subgenre has something good to it, something that makes the subgenre more interesting and opens the way for more artists in that subgenre to be discovered. I like crust a lot and bands like Amebix and From Ashes Rise resonate with me still.

And the cores (mostly early-mid 90's metalcore and post-hardcore) are also very good. They really aren't considered punk or metal, but I feel like they'd make more sense in this thread as they normally borrow more from punk. Bands like Converge, Rorschach, Quicksand and Chavez are a few of my favorite -core bands

CONVERGE IS MY STEEZ.

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Postby Demen 2 » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:33 pm

Dead Names wrote:
Demen 2 wrote:Oh lord a punk thread


I have a pretty huge love for punk music and the -core genres it spawned

My favorite punk band is the crust punk outfit Fall of Efrafa.

Even though my favorite punk outfit is crust punk, it's hard to pinpoint a specific sub genre I like most

I mean almost every subgenre has something good to it, something that makes the subgenre more interesting and opens the way for more artists in that subgenre to be discovered. I like crust a lot and bands like Amebix and From Ashes Rise resonate with me still.

And the cores (mostly early-mid 90's metalcore and post-hardcore) are also very good. They really aren't considered punk or metal, but I feel like they'd make more sense in this thread as they normally borrow more from punk. Bands like Converge, Rorschach, Quicksand and Chavez are a few of my favorite -core bands

CONVERGE IS MY STEEZ.

I actually feel their music has improved as they've aged
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Postby Phoenixfox » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:40 am

Has anyone heard of Billy Idol? They are punk band I discovered and they are awesome. Good stuff for if ya feeling down.
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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:54 am

Phoenixfox wrote:Has anyone heard of Billy Idol? They are punk band I discovered and they are awesome. Good stuff for if ya feeling down.


I've heard the Black Veil Brides cover of a Rebel Yell, but I haven't actually gotten around to listening to Billy Idol yet.
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Phoenixfox wrote:Has anyone heard of Billy Idol? They are punk band I discovered and they are awesome. Good stuff for if ya feeling down.


I feel old, I remember Billy Idol being on the radio when I was a kid. :unsure:
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Postby Demen 2 » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:31 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Phoenixfox wrote:Has anyone heard of Billy Idol? They are punk band I discovered and they are awesome. Good stuff for if ya feeling down.


I feel old, I remember Billy Idol being on the radio when I was a kid. :unsure:

I vaguely remember when Rebel Yell came out

Billy Idol is okay, I vastly prefer Generation X to any of his solo work
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Postby Roherst » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:38 pm

>don't see The Adolescents up to vote

I think they deserve a chance, I love them at least, but Black Flag and T.S.O.L both awesome bands up there in my top favs, just wish T,S,O,L didn't keep switching genre's around so much they started to get back to their roots in early 2000s but their latest album didn't care much for
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:29 pm

Filthy Ginger Bastards wrote:Glad DOA made it on here, cuz, y'know, they arguably coined (or at the very least cemented) the term "hardcore."


True. I'd say them, The Germs, The Middle Class, Black Flag, DK and Minor Threat were the most influential the hardcore genre. And, without Minor Threat and a few other bands, we wouldn't really have thrash metal.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:34 pm

Demen 2 wrote:Oh lord a punk thread


I have a pretty huge love for punk music and the -core genres it spawned

My favorite punk band is the crust punk outfit Fall of Efrafa.

Even though my favorite punk outfit is crust punk, it's hard to pinpoint a specific sub genre I like most

I mean almost every subgenre has something good to it, something that makes the subgenre more interesting and opens the way for more artists in that subgenre to be discovered. I like crust a lot and bands like Amebix and From Ashes Rise resonate with me still.

And the cores (mostly early-mid 90's metalcore and post-hardcore) are also very good. They really aren't considered punk or metal, but I feel like they'd make more sense in this thread as they normally borrow more from punk. Bands like Converge, Rorschach, Quicksand and Chavez are a few of my favorite -core bands


Rorschach is amazing. I got really into their music a while back.

Roherst wrote:>don't see The Adolescents up to vote

I think they deserve a chance, I love them at least, but Black Flag and T.S.O.L both awesome bands up there in my top favs, just wish T,S,O,L didn't keep switching genre's around so much they started to get back to their roots in early 2000s but their latest album didn't care much for


I can only put so many on there...

Cadonica wrote:Napalm Death is the best punk band.


Not the best. Very good, undeniably influential, but I can name a couple of better grindcore bands. Discordance Axis, for starters.

Fabulous Rainicorns wrote:I like Against Me! And Rise Against. I can't think of any other punk bands I like right now, but I don't pay attention to genre that much.


Against Me is really poppy, never really liked them. Rise Against became a laughingstock of "hard"-core after their second album.
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Postby Filthy Ginger Bastards » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:36 pm

Subhumans were pretty righteous too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=temABKKRZcA

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Filthy Ginger Bastards wrote:Subhumans were pretty righteous too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=temABKKRZcA


"The Day the Country Died" is a great album, and they're one of the best anarchopunk bands I've seen along with Crass and Choking Victim.
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Postby Filthy Ginger Bastards » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:17 pm

No, no, I mean the Canadian band Subhumans. The Brits are good too, but I'm talking about a different band.

Incorrect Thoughts and Death Was Too Kind are sick albums by these guys, and "Fuck You" has been struck in my head all damn day.

Still anarcho, I would say. In fact, their frontman went to jail for his involvement with the Direct Action anarchist group. And they say Canada is lame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhumans_%28Canadian_band%29

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Postby Filthy Ginger Bastards » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:02 pm

Picked up an old Maximumrocknroll LP the other day... Welcome to 1984... 23 bands, 17 countries. Diggin' some Raw Power from Italy and The Stalin from Japan. Really cool compilation, some cool West German bands too.

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Postby Filthy Ginger Bastards » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:44 pm

And of particular interest to NS is the rather verbose political manifesto written on the back by Jeff Bale. Pretty dense reading for an LP, but I myself am a fan of punk that is not afraid to be political.

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