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Postby Valaran » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:37 pm

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Merizoc wrote:I have a question: Are you Shie?

Oh yeah, what ever happened to that guy?



apparently he ceased to exist on July 4th.

And yeah, characters in media should be defined on quality, not gender.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:37 pm

Somewhat.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:38 pm

Valaran wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Oh yeah, what ever happened to that guy?



apparently he ceased to exist on July 4th.

And yeah, characters in media should be defined on quality, not gender.

I think it probably depends on what your gender is; for instance, I definitely find myself relating more to male characters simply because I am a male.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:39 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Were we all not just assuming that he is?

I've been wondering for a while, but I didn't know if anyone else shared my suspicions.

He hasn't sent me any videos of '80's rock music via TG, so I don't think it's him.
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Postby Conglomerate of Iron » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:41 pm

Love female protagonists.

Despite being male, I love women so much more.
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Postby Giovenith » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:42 pm

Do you prefer them solely because they're male, or because you think males tend to be written better?
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:42 pm

I don't care what the gender of the main character is but any movie or book that promotes Anti-male propaganda, I will not watch or read.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:43 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Merizoc wrote:I've been wondering for a while, but I didn't know if anyone else shared my suspicions.

He hasn't sent me any videos of '80's rock music via TG, so I don't think it's him.

Just think about it though. Both have somewhat odd views, (Soleso less so than Shie) both have black and white flags featuring a person, and both say things that seemingly have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:44 pm

I don't think sex/gender factors in much for me on whether I can connect/sympathize/empathize with the protagonist. However, there have been a few instances in which a video game (for example) gets more interesting, for me, if the character is specifically male or specifically female. The Mass Effect series, IMO, is way better if you play it with a female Shepard than with a male Shepard.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:44 pm

Giovenith wrote:Do you prefer them solely because they're male, or because you think males tend to be written better?


To me, it seems like male protagonist's seem to be written better most of the time but I really don't care either way.
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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:45 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
My OP gets right to the point, not sure what else I would put.

Talk more about what your reasoning is, and give examples of male/female protagonists.


There is not much to it really, I just prefer male leads over female.

Stuff I haven't bothered to check out on top of my head; hunger games, divergent and a number of big tv shows

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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:46 pm

Vamtrl wrote:Whether its a book or a movie, I prefer to have a male protagonist. Its not even about connecting with them, I just like it that way. Does this view make me a sexist?

Edit: Thank you Ifreann

Yes, you are sexist.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:47 pm

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Merizoc wrote:Talk more about what your reasoning is, and give examples of male/female protagonists.


There is not much to it really, I just prefer male leads over female.

Stuff I haven't bothered to check out on top of my head; hunger games, divergent and a number of big tv shows

You should put it directly in the OP, or the mods will lock it. Tell us why you like/dislike these characters. In the OP.

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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:48 pm

Giovenith wrote:Do you prefer them solely because they're male, or because you think males tend to be written better?


Because they are male.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:48 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Talk more about what your reasoning is, and give examples of male/female protagonists.


There is not much to it really, I just prefer male leads over female.

Stuff I haven't bothered to check out on top of my head; hunger games, divergent and a number of big tv shows

I refuse to read The Hunger Games just because I despise first person narration.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:48 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don't think sex/gender factors in much for me on whether I can connect/sympathize/empathize with the protagonist. However, there have been a few instances in which a video game (for example) gets more interesting, for me, if the character is specifically male or specifically female. The Mass Effect series, IMO, is way better if you play it with a female Shepard than with a male Shepard.

Is it because you can romance Garrus?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:49 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don't think sex/gender factors in much for me on whether I can connect/sympathize/empathize with the protagonist. However, there have been a few instances in which a video game (for example) gets more interesting, for me, if the character is specifically male or specifically female. The Mass Effect series, IMO, is way better if you play it with a female Shepard than with a male Shepard.


Really? I just couldn't stand FemShep, don't know why.
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Postby Upper America » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:49 pm

No, it's not sexist. If anything is sexist in books, movies, and video games, it's the running theme of hunky strong men and busty sexy females. That's a big problem.
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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:51 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
There is not much to it really, I just prefer male leads over female.

Stuff I haven't bothered to check out on top of my head; hunger games, divergent and a number of big tv shows

You should put it directly in the OP, or the mods will lock it. Tell us why you like/dislike these characters. In the OP.


There is no like or dislike. I just prefer watching media with male leads.

Its already in the OP. Discussion of a topic doesn't necessarily demand an essay. I have laid out my views quite clearly.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:51 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don't think sex/gender factors in much for me on whether I can connect/sympathize/empathize with the protagonist. However, there have been a few instances in which a video game (for example) gets more interesting, for me, if the character is specifically male or specifically female. The Mass Effect series, IMO, is way better if you play it with a female Shepard than with a male Shepard.

Is it because you can romance Garrus?


Actually, no. I just found her more compelling than Male Shepard. I started playing with Male Shepard and just... I don't know, he was wooden to me. So I restarted the game with a Fem Shepard.

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don't think sex/gender factors in much for me on whether I can connect/sympathize/empathize with the protagonist. However, there have been a few instances in which a video game (for example) gets more interesting, for me, if the character is specifically male or specifically female. The Mass Effect series, IMO, is way better if you play it with a female Shepard than with a male Shepard.


Really? I just couldn't stand FemShep, don't know why.


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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:51 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
There is not much to it really, I just prefer male leads over female.

Stuff I haven't bothered to check out on top of my head; hunger games, divergent and a number of big tv shows

I refuse to read The Hunger Games just because I despise first person narration.

I don't mind first person narration as much as the fact that the whole series is told in the present tense. Like instead of "I picked up the plate, and turned around," it's "I pick up the plate, and turn around."

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:52 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:I refuse to read The Hunger Games just because I despise first person narration.

I don't mind first person narration as much as the fact that the whole series is told in the present tense. Like instead of "I picked up the plate, and turned around," it's "I pick up the plate, and turn around."

Well, that's all the encouragement I need to burn them without mercy.
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:52 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Is it because you can romance Garrus?


Actually, no. I just found her more compelling than Male Shepard. I started playing with Male Shepard and just... I don't know, he was wooden to me. So I restarted the game with a Fem Shepard.

TBH, I found both Sheps pretty wooden. Preferred playing as a m!shep just because of the romance options, though.
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Postby Giovenith » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Giovenith wrote:Do you prefer them solely because they're male, or because you think males tend to be written better?


To me, it seems like male protagonist's seem to be written better most of the time but I really don't care either way.


Writing females as interesting rather than stock characters (love interest, mom, etc.) has been long since believed to be a problem in media.

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Giovenith wrote:Do you prefer them solely because they're male, or because you think males tend to be written better?


Because they are male.


It can be sexist, yes, though it depends. Do you just feel that you can better step into the shoes of a character with the same gender as you?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:54 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Actually, no. I just found her more compelling than Male Shepard. I started playing with Male Shepard and just... I don't know, he was wooden to me. So I restarted the game with a Fem Shepard.

TBH, I found both Sheps pretty wooden. Preferred playing as a m!shep just because of the romance options, though.


I guess we connect differently. Which is ok. The male-female state of a character usually isn't an issue to me. I can connect just as well with a male character and a female character. But in Mass Effect particularly, FemShep was way better to me, story-wise, than MaleShep.
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