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Postby Morrdh » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:15 am

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I think I only drive commando heavy tanks. Seriously I get way more artillery kills and base captures with my heavies than I should. I know with at least on British heavy I got 3 arty kills in one game well before it ended. I think it may have been a Black Prince too.


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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:21 am

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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:I think I only drive commando heavy tanks. Seriously I get way more artillery kills and base captures with my heavies than I should. I know with at least on British heavy I got 3 arty kills in one game well before it ended. I think it may have been a Black Prince too.


ALL my Scouting related awards are on the Churchill III.

Well I drive BTs so that isn't gonna be true for me. Still I have noticed that heavies make pretty good scouts in WoT. I never cared much for scouting with light tanks, you die too easily and your speed is pretty useless if you are a passive scout. I generally just scout with my Black Prince because I take point and happen to spot enemy tanks even if I don't shoot at them myself.

Also would anyone be interested in making a BP platoon on the NA server?
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Postby Morrdh » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:23 am

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ALL my Scouting related awards are on the Churchill III.

Well I drive BTs so that isn't gonna be true for me. Still I have noticed that heavies make pretty good scouts in WoT. I never cared much for scouting with light tanks, you die too easily and your speed is pretty useless if you are a passive scout. I generally just scout with my Black Prince because I take point and happen to spot enemy tanks even if I don't shoot at them myself.

Also would anyone be interested in making a BP platoon on the NA server?


EU based and lacking cash to buy a BP.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:25 am

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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:Well I drive BTs so that isn't gonna be true for me. Still I have noticed that heavies make pretty good scouts in WoT. I never cared much for scouting with light tanks, you die too easily and your speed is pretty useless if you are a passive scout. I generally just scout with my Black Prince because I take point and happen to spot enemy tanks even if I don't shoot at them myself.

Also would anyone be interested in making a BP platoon on the NA server?


EU based and lacking cash to buy a BP.

You mean credits? BP is a tier VII heavy, the matilda BP is a premium.
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Postby Morrdh » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:27 am

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EU based and lacking cash to buy a BP.

You mean credits? BP is a tier VII heavy, the matilda BP is a premium.


Yes, credits.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:31 am

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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:You mean credits? BP is a tier VII heavy, the matilda BP is a premium.


Yes, credits.

Yeah I wanna move up to the tier VI American but am low on credits. I could grind with a premium tank but I really don't feel like it. Guess I will build up xp so I waste less free xp on when I research the America tier VI heavy.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:03 am

I need to roll out my MBP, "Harbinger of the Apocalypse", again.

It's a cracking tank.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:13 am

Tagmatium wrote:I need to roll out my MBP, "Harbinger of the Apocalypse", again.

It's a cracking tank.

I have an MBP but I almost never use it. Just feels so meh. Honestly I've even stopped playing my British Matilda simply because I cannot bring myself to care anymore. BP is still fun and I am enjoying the IS so that is nice. Tier VII American TD is crap though, honestly I would prefer that the Hellcat and it switch places. It has enough armour to slow it down but not enough to really protect it from anything, while its gun is barely an upgrade from the Hellcat's. Hopefully the pain will be worth it when I get a T28 Prototype.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:16 am

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Tagmatium wrote:I need to roll out my MBP, "Harbinger of the Apocalypse", again.

It's a cracking tank.

I have an MBP but I almost never use it. Just feels so meh. Honestly I've even stopped playing my British Matilda simply because I cannot bring myself to care anymore. BP is still fun and I am enjoying the IS so that is nice. Tier VII American TD is crap though, honestly I would prefer that the Hellcat and it switch places. It has enough armour to slow it down but not enough to really protect it from anything, while its gun is barely an upgrade from the Hellcat's. Hopefully the pain will be worth it when I get a T28 Prototype.

The T 25-2 is literary the WORST tier 7 I have ever had. Even the comet is better then that peace of crap... playing it only on X2. And honestly I have no idea how I have 64% win rate with the blasted thing...
And what makes it even worse is the fact that the gun is inaccurate and it has a fairly slow shell... Penetration will not be such a problem with the APCR and its 258 mm penetration.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:29 am

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Tagmatium wrote:I need to roll out my MBP, "Harbinger of the Apocalypse", again.

It's a cracking tank.

I have an MBP but I almost never use it. Just feels so meh. Honestly I've even stopped playing my British Matilda simply because I cannot bring myself to care anymore. BP is still fun and I am enjoying the IS so that is nice. Tier VII American TD is crap though, honestly I would prefer that the Hellcat and it switch places. It has enough armour to slow it down but not enough to really protect it from anything, while its gun is barely an upgrade from the Hellcat's. Hopefully the pain will be worth it when I get a T28 Prototype.

The Prot's a tank I fear.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:30 am

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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:I have an MBP but I almost never use it. Just feels so meh. Honestly I've even stopped playing my British Matilda simply because I cannot bring myself to care anymore. BP is still fun and I am enjoying the IS so that is nice. Tier VII American TD is crap though, honestly I would prefer that the Hellcat and it switch places. It has enough armour to slow it down but not enough to really protect it from anything, while its gun is barely an upgrade from the Hellcat's. Hopefully the pain will be worth it when I get a T28 Prototype.

The Prot's a tank I fear.

That's kind of why I want it, like a very well armed open topped heavy tank with pretty solid armour too.
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Postby Licana » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:30 am

"inaccurate gun"

0.36 with a razor quick aim time is not inaccurate, esp post sigma changes. if you honestly think this, then quit sniping from 700+ meters.

"slow shell"

975 m/s is not slow by any standard for AP. It's just barely slower than the AC mle. 46 and JgPanther (only if you use the 88, if you use the 105 the T25's 90 is faster), and the TD with the fastest AP shell speed (AT7) beats it by a whopping 45 m/s.

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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:39 am

Licana wrote:"inaccurate gun"

0.36 with a razor quick aim time is not inaccurate, esp post sigma changes. if you honestly think this, then quit sniping from 700+ meters.

"slow shell"

975 m/s is not slow by any standard for AP. It's just barely slower than the AC mle. 46 and JgPanther (only if you use the 88, if you use the 105 the T25's 90 is faster), and the TD with the fastest AP shell speed (AT7) beats it by a whopping 45 m/s.

If you're going to criticize a tank, at least be correct in your criticisms.

0.36 is noting special in terms of accuracy. For me somehow it lacks it I do not know why. I have much more inaccurate tanks then it but they do not miss that much. I only have 72% hit ratio with it.
As for the speed where have you gotten it from if I may ask? Cause I doubt it goes nearly as fast as the 88 mm on the jagtiger 88 I use. At least that is how it looks to me. although sometimes I register hits with it before my picture and the way it shows moving hits the target. It may look to me like that due to high ping. 100+ is actually the normal one for me.
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Postby Licana » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:44 am

It may be nothing special, but to claim it as poor (as a claim of inaccuracy generally implies), is blatantly incorrect, especially when you consider the fact that the 90 on the T25/2 has arguably the best gun handling among its peers.

Speed is pulled from tanknumbers.com. All data from that source is datamined and generally correct, though I don't know how regularly it is updated. I can confirm from general use of both the T25/2 and the JgTig 88 that the difference in shell velocity is trivial.
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Postby Morrdh » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:46 am

Second set of skills being trained on Churchill III crew! \o/

Also, roughly another 10k exp and then Centurion I (just need the credits).
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Postby Catahecassa » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:47 am

Just recently got my Pz.III/IV.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:48 am

Catahecassa wrote:Just recently got my Pz.III/IV.

I've often been half-tempted by that tank.

I just don't need another Tier V.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:56 am

Licana wrote:It may be nothing special, but to claim it as poor (as a claim of inaccuracy generally implies), is blatantly incorrect, especially when you consider the fact that the 90 on the T25/2 has arguably the best gun handling among its peers.

Speed is pulled from tanknumbers.com. All data from that source is datamined and generally correct, though I don't know how regularly it is updated. I can confirm from general use of both the T25/2 and the JgTig 88 that the difference in shell velocity is trivial.

I do not know why it just does not look like that to me. I made a quick check on most tanks I played in tier 7 and it has a better accuracy then only 2 of them in my statistics. Do not really know the reason.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:02 pm

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Licana wrote:It may be nothing special, but to claim it as poor (as a claim of inaccuracy generally implies), is blatantly incorrect, especially when you consider the fact that the 90 on the T25/2 has arguably the best gun handling among its peers.

Speed is pulled from tanknumbers.com. All data from that source is datamined and generally correct, though I don't know how regularly it is updated. I can confirm from general use of both the T25/2 and the JgTig 88 that the difference in shell velocity is trivial.

I do not know why it just does not look like that to me. I made a quick check on most tanks I played in tier 7 and it has a better accuracy then only 2 of them in my statistics. Do not really know the reason.

Sometimes I find a tank just doesn't "work" for me. No matter what I do, it either does feel right or I don't do well. There might be little or no difference to how it handles compared to other tanks that I've got and it might be very comparable on paper.

It might be something similar to how you're doing in the T25/2.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:08 pm

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Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:I do not know why it just does not look like that to me. I made a quick check on most tanks I played in tier 7 and it has a better accuracy then only 2 of them in my statistics. Do not really know the reason.

Sometimes I find a tank just doesn't "work" for me. No matter what I do, it either does feel right or I don't do well. There might be little or no difference to how it handles compared to other tanks that I've got and it might be very comparable on paper.

It might be something similar to how you're doing in the T25/2.

I just find it inferior to the hellcat. I mainly hate its armour, heavy enough to slow it down, too little to actually protect against anything equal or higher than you. I would like it if it was a tier VI tank even if it only got the first gun, the hellcat is simply more versatile because it is smaller and faster.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:54 am

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Sometimes I find a tank just doesn't "work" for me. No matter what I do, it either does feel right or I don't do well. There might be little or no difference to how it handles compared to other tanks that I've got and it might be very comparable on paper.

It might be something similar to how you're doing in the T25/2.

I just find it inferior to the hellcat. I mainly hate its armour, heavy enough to slow it down, too little to actually protect against anything equal or higher than you. I would like it if it was a tier VI tank even if it only got the first gun, the hellcat is simply more versatile because it is smaller and faster.

The only tank destroyer in my garage is the M36 Jackson. Not a bad vehicle, might be nice to throw that thing into battle again.
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Postby Kassaran » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:48 am

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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:I just find it inferior to the hellcat. I mainly hate its armour, heavy enough to slow it down, too little to actually protect against anything equal or higher than you. I would like it if it was a tier VI tank even if it only got the first gun, the hellcat is simply more versatile because it is smaller and faster.

The only tank destroyer in my garage is the M36 Jackson. Not a bad vehicle, might be nice to throw that thing into battle again.


Just don't try and play it like a Hellcat. Play it like you would any other weakly armored turreted tank destroyer. Sit behind the the second line of attack, but not so far back as to be with the arty (unless your team is one of those who forggot to buy gas for their tanks at the start).
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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:I just find it inferior to the hellcat. I mainly hate its armour, heavy enough to slow it down, too little to actually protect against anything equal or higher than you. I would like it if it was a tier VI tank even if it only got the first gun, the hellcat is simply more versatile because it is smaller and faster.

The only tank destroyer in my garage is the M36 Jackson. Not a bad vehicle, might be nice to throw that thing into battle again.

How could you only have one?

I've got eight, ranging from the FT AC to the Jagdtiger.

The latter is my only named German vehicle.

I've got this weird thing whereby if a tank acts consistently well, it earns a name. Most of my German tanks have done so, it's just that most of the German names are shit.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:22 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:The only tank destroyer in my garage is the M36 Jackson. Not a bad vehicle, might be nice to throw that thing into battle again.

How could you only have one?

I've got eight, ranging from the FT AC to the Jagdtiger.

The latter is my only named German vehicle.

I've got this weird thing whereby if a tank acts consistently well, it earns a name. Most of my German tanks have done so, it's just that most of the German names are shit.

I personally hate turretless tanks. I tried grinding up the German TD to get to the waffletanks but I gave up.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:24 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:The only tank destroyer in my garage is the M36 Jackson. Not a bad vehicle, might be nice to throw that thing into battle again.

Just don't try and play it like a Hellcat. Play it like you would any other weakly armored turreted tank destroyer. Sit behind the the second line of attack, but not so far back as to be with the arty (unless your team is one of those who forggot to buy gas for their tanks at the start).

The Jackson is wildly different from the Hellcat, since it doesn't race across the battlefield as if had recently consumed ALL the speed. Easy does it, no need to thrown yourself at the enemy.

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Hurdegaryp wrote:The only tank destroyer in my garage is the M36 Jackson. Not a bad vehicle, might be nice to throw that thing into battle again.

How could you only have one?

I've got eight, ranging from the FT AC to the Jagdtiger.

The latter is my only named German vehicle.

I've got this weird thing whereby if a tank acts consistently well, it earns a name. Most of my German tanks have done so, it's just that most of the German names are shit.

It's easy to have only one tank destroyer if you're mainly into regular tanks.
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