Wargaming.net Mega-thread, part 2 (WoT, WoWP, WoWS)

[Estovakiva]

IS-3

Yupp a perfectly working IS-3, I belive its by some museum in Brussels.

[Licana]

How should the new Char 2CBis be balanced then? I mean it would have a lower height than the KV-2 to be sure, but it would have lower armor and probably lower speed unless if Wargaming discovered a new, upgraded engine system for it. Although it looks like somebody has proposed a 1,100 horsepower engine so that would probably make it work. It would be much faster than the KV-2, with less armor, and probably a limited traverse turret sort of like the T28 prototype.

The problem is it's really hard to balance something like that. The lack of armour and mobility suddenly becomes highly irrelevant when you can one-shot anything you face, essentially using that fear factor as your protection. You can see this with the KV-2 and FV 215 183 already.

The only thing I can think of would be to give it no AP/HEAT shells and make the HE shells something like 20-30mm pen so that you can't reliably get those penetration kills like a KV-2 can, even though you'll probably still be able to one-shot anything shy of a T5 heavy due to the splash power of the shells alone (might need to reduce that).

Also 9.1 patch notes are here.

[The Huskar Social Union]

IS-3

Yupp a perfectly working IS-3, I belive its by some museum in Brussels.

That is awesome, ive always loved the look of that tank.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

How should the new Char 2CBis be balanced then? I mean it would have a lower height than the KV-2 to be sure, but it would have lower armor and probably lower speed unless if Wargaming discovered a new, upgraded engine system for it. Although it looks like somebody has proposed a 1,100 horsepower engine so that would probably make it work. It would be much faster than the KV-2, with less armor, and probably a limited traverse turret sort of like the T28 prototype.

The problem is it's really hard to balance something like that. The lack of armour and mobility suddenly becomes highly irrelevant when you can one-shot anything you face, essentially using that fear factor as your protection. You can see this with the KV-2 and FV 215 183 already.

The only thing I can think of would be to give it no AP/HEAT shells and make the HE shells something like 20-30mm pen so that you can't reliably get those penetration kills like a KV-2 can, even though you'll probably still be able to one-shot anything shy of a T5 heavy due to the splash power of the shells alone (might need to reduce that).

Also 9.1 patch notes are here.

It is nice to see that WG is being honest and actually dealing with balance issues like they had suggested. The decreases to capability of the T18, Hellcat, and M4 Sherman are in particular a good move. Even if it won't be a huge patch I still like that they're addressing the problems concerning the various tank's relative power. Obviously there are still a lot of vehicles that are still handicapped or overpowered, but at least this is a nice start. Also interesting will be map changes. Wonder what the changes to Northwest and Windstorm will be in particular, given that they just added those in/changed them heavily so recently.

[Kassaran]

I'm honestly kind of upset about the 105mm nerfs, I thought the T-29 to be a remarkably well-put tank in a battle. If anything they needed to leave the mechanics of most of the German and American tanks alone as they were tolerable as was. With the new nerfs to American maneuverability, I'm curious to see how this goes over given how the Hellcat's view range was what annoyed most people not the maneuverability. I was perfectly fine facing off against the little shits in my M6 and T29 and while yes they could get the drop on me, I've recently found that the reason most pubbies never get good is because they forget they can see what types of tanks they are up against and thus should be looking to engage, derp, or destroy (fight with only in the hopes of receiving additional support, destroy simply because one can do so easily, or eliminate at all costs due to it's significant threat it can pose).

In all respects though, I'm sad there is no re-balancing occurring for the KV-1S and the T-150 given that they are the roflstompers for their tier. On top of that, what of the IS, for it has a gun that can makes me cringe in fear. Somehow whenever facing an IS, I always get outdone in reload time, aim time, and damage output. Rare is it for me to get the average damage roll for any of my American tanks, hence again why I believe there is a strong Russian bias.

[Vareiln]

Tonight has been a good one on the Xbox. The American turreted TDs were released, new maps and weather effects were added, and more.
I'm also pretty sure the Tortoise got buffed, as I'm noticing it perform better in several ways all of the sudden, most notably traverse rate and fire rate.
Couple this with a series of epic games in all the tanks I'm playing right now(Jagdpanther, Tortoise, Comet, and SU-122-44), and you get the feeling of how tonight has been.

[Hurdegaryp]

I'm honestly kind of upset about the 105mm nerfs, I thought the T-29 to be a remarkably well-put tank in a battle. If anything they needed to leave the mechanics of most of the German and American tanks alone as they were tolerable as was. With the new nerfs to American maneuverability, I'm curious to see how this goes over given how the Hellcat's view range was what annoyed most people not the maneuverability. I was perfectly fine facing off against the little shits in my M6 and T29 and while yes they could get the drop on me, I've recently found that the reason most pubbies never get good is because they forget they can see what types of tanks they are up against and thus should be looking to engage, derp, or destroy (fight with only in the hopes of receiving additional support, destroy simply because one can do so easily, or eliminate at all costs due to it's significant threat it can pose).

In all respects though, I'm sad there is no re-balancing occurring for the KV-1S and the T-150 given that they are the roflstompers for their tier. On top of that, what of the IS, for it has a gun that can makes me cringe in fear. Somehow whenever facing an IS, I always get outdone in reload time, aim time, and damage output. Rare is it for me to get the average damage roll for any of my American tanks, hence again why I believe there is a strong Russian bias.

You may be more eloquent than the average wehraboo, but I see the song remains the same. Never bothered to actually play any Russian vehicles, hm?

[Kassaran]

I'm honestly kind of upset about the 105mm nerfs, I thought the T-29 to be a remarkably well-put tank in a battle. If anything they needed to leave the mechanics of most of the German and American tanks alone as they were tolerable as was. With the new nerfs to American maneuverability, I'm curious to see how this goes over given how the Hellcat's view range was what annoyed most people not the maneuverability. I was perfectly fine facing off against the little shits in my M6 and T29 and while yes they could get the drop on me, I've recently found that the reason most pubbies never get good is because they forget they can see what types of tanks they are up against and thus should be looking to engage, derp, or destroy (fight with only in the hopes of receiving additional support, destroy simply because one can do so easily, or eliminate at all costs due to it's significant threat it can pose).

In all respects though, I'm sad there is no re-balancing occurring for the KV-1S and the T-150 given that they are the roflstompers for their tier. On top of that, what of the IS, for it has a gun that can makes me cringe in fear. Somehow whenever facing an IS, I always get outdone in reload time, aim time, and damage output. Rare is it for me to get the average damage roll for any of my American tanks, hence again why I believe there is a strong Russian bias.

You may be more eloquent than the average wehraboo, but I see the song remains the same. Never bothered to actually play any Russian vehicles, hm?

No, mostly for the fact that I face enough to see their capabilities in combat against an opposing force. I have played any tanks of Russian design, they were the T-127, BT-7, & the A-20, the latter of which I hated -no, despised actually- and that's where I stopped, though that is simply until I pool together enough resources and willpower to play the little bastard again to jump into the Russian Medium line.

[Iander]

New thread is (supposedly) new.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

You may be more eloquent than the average wehraboo, but I see the song remains the same. Never bothered to actually play any Russian vehicles, hm?

No, mostly for the fact that I face enough to see their capabilities in combat against an opposing force. I have played any tanks of Russian design, they were the T-127, BT-7, & the A-20, the latter of which I hated -no, despised actually- and that's where I stopped, though that is simply until I pool together enough resources and willpower to play the little bastard again to jump into the Russian Medium line.

T-34 is worth the A-20's horror in my opinion, it is my best performing tank(That I play a lot) with a 58 percent win rate. The A-20 could be a decent tank, just it has 330 meters of view range so you can't scout with it like you're supposed to. And little firepower. And no armor. All it has is mobility and that just isn't enough.

[Hurdegaryp]

No, mostly for the fact that I face enough to see their capabilities in combat against an opposing force. I have played any tanks of Russian design, they were the T-127, BT-7, & the A-20, the latter of which I hated -no, despised actually- and that's where I stopped, though that is simply until I pool together enough resources and willpower to play the little bastard again to jump into the Russian Medium line.

T-34 is worth the A-20's horror in my opinion, it is my best performing tank(That I play a lot) with a 58 percent win rate. The A-20 could be a decent tank, just it has 330 meters of view range so you can't scout with it like you're supposed to. And little firepower. And no armor. All it has is mobility and that just isn't enough.

The T-34 is a fun tank to play, yes. I never played the A-20 myself, I skipped it with the magical power of free XP.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

T-34 is worth the A-20's horror in my opinion, it is my best performing tank(That I play a lot) with a 58 percent win rate. The A-20 could be a decent tank, just it has 330 meters of view range so you can't scout with it like you're supposed to. And little firepower. And no armor. All it has is mobility and that just isn't enough.

The T-34 is a fun tank to play, yes. I never played the A-20 myself, I skipped it with the magical power of free XP.

I wanted to try one of the tier 4 scouts, since I really enjoying scouting in my AMX 13 90. However, I did not appropriately calculate the view range differentials. It seemed pretty good when I first started out too, since in one of the first battles I destroyed a Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger, did a fair amount of assistance regarding spotting, took out a GW Tiger, and played a vital role in assisting in the destruction of an enemy Tiger. But that was an outlier. Still, the M5 Stuart seems like a pretty good light tank, with its much longer view range and pretty capable howitzer. I haven't gotten scout mm in it though which is a bit disappointing; apparently they changed it a bit ago and I didn't see that note. So not all of the tier 4s LTs are bad. The gun depression is so awesome after playing French tanks with our standard 5-6 degrees of gun depression and terrible turret armor.

[Tagmatium]

I'm honestly kind of upset about the 105mm nerfs, I thought the T-29 to be a remarkably well-put tank in a battle. If anything they needed to leave the mechanics of most of the German and American tanks alone as they were tolerable as was. With the new nerfs to American maneuverability, I'm curious to see how this goes over given how the Hellcat's view range was what annoyed most people not the maneuverability. I was perfectly fine facing off against the little shits in my M6 and T29 and while yes they could get the drop on me, I've recently found that the reason most pubbies never get good is because they forget they can see what types of tanks they are up against and thus should be looking to engage, derp, or destroy (fight with only in the hopes of receiving additional support, destroy simply because one can do so easily, or eliminate at all costs due to it's significant threat it can pose).

In all respects though, I'm sad there is no re-balancing occurring for the KV-1S and the T-150 given that they are the roflstompers for their tier. On top of that, what of the IS, for it has a gun that can makes me cringe in fear. Somehow whenever facing an IS, I always get outdone in reload time, aim time, and damage output. Rare is it for me to get the average damage roll for any of my American tanks, hence again why I believe there is a strong Russian bias.

You may be more eloquent than the average wehraboo, but I see the song remains the same. Never bothered to actually play any Russian vehicles, hm?

Hurde, you know the KV-1S is OP.

Everyone knows it is OP.

Even WG, even though they refuse to do anything about it.

[Hurdegaryp]

You may be more eloquent than the average wehraboo, but I see the song remains the same. Never bothered to actually play any Russian vehicles, hm?

Hurde, you know the KV-1S is OP.

Everyone knows it is OP.

Even WG, even though they refuse to do anything about it.

Personally I prefer the T-150, because that beast has a winning combination of an accurate gun with decent penetration, proper armour protection and rugged good looks.

[Tagmatium]

Hurde, you know the KV-1S is OP.

Everyone knows it is OP.

Even WG, even though they refuse to do anything about it.

Personally I prefer the T-150, because that beast has a winning combination of an accurate gun with decent penetration, proper armour protection and rugged good looks.

I like the KV-1S because it blows shit the fuck up.

I'm probably a bad person due to that.

[Morrdh]

Personally I prefer the T-150, because that beast has a winning combination of an accurate gun with decent penetration, proper armour protection and rugged good looks.

I like the KV-1S because it blows shit the fuck up.

I'm probably a bad person due to that.

I like KV-1S, it makes for happy munching for the TOG.

[Graditora]

I like the KV-1S because it blows shit the fuck up.

I'm probably a bad person due to that.

I like KV-1S, it makes for happy munching for the TOG.

My TOG laughes at puny KV-1S. Especially when they use HE.

[Morrdh]

I like KV-1S, it makes for happy munching for the TOG.

My TOG laughes at puny KV-1S. Especially when they use HE.

TOG: Hehehe, that tickles!

[Tagmatium]

I like the KV-1S because it blows shit the fuck up.

I'm probably a bad person due to that.

I like KV-1S, it makes for happy munching for the TOG.

I've never actually fought a TOG.

Only once I've had one on the enemy team and I never saw it.

[Vareiln]

The T-34 is a fun tank to play, yes. I never played the A-20 myself, I skipped it with the magical power of free XP.

I wanted to try one of the tier 4 scouts, since I really enjoying scouting in my AMX 13 90. However, I did not appropriately calculate the view range differentials. It seemed pretty good when I first started out too, since in one of the first battles I destroyed a Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger, did a fair amount of assistance regarding spotting, took out a GW Tiger, and played a vital role in assisting in the destruction of an enemy Tiger. But that was an outlier. Still, the M5 Stuart seems like a pretty good light tank, with its much longer view range and pretty capable howitzer. I haven't gotten scout mm in it though which is a bit disappointing; apparently they changed it a bit ago and I didn't see that note. So not all of the tier 4s LTs are bad. The gun depression is so awesome after playing French tanks with our standard 5-6 degrees of gun depression and terrible turret armor.

M5 Stuart and Panzer 38 nA are my favorite tier 4 scouts.

[Vareiln]

So I have a Centurion now. I like the feel of the tank, but oh dear gods the stock gun is a nightmare when you get stuck in a tier IX or X game.

[Oaledonia]

Any possible indicator as to when WoWS will be out? I want Kancolle mods.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

Any possible indicator as to when WoWS will be out? I want Kancolle mods.

It sounds like sometime in 2015.

Beta might start sooner apparently though.

[Hurdegaryp]

So I have a Centurion now. I like the feel of the tank, but oh dear gods the stock gun is a nightmare when you get stuck in a tier IX or X game.

And if you lack the free XP to get yourself to the optimal configuration fast, you have no choice but to grind like you never did before.

[Tagmatium]

5x weekend didn't seem to be full of people just there to take advantage of the extra exp.

Not every game when stunningly, though.

Some were pretty appalling.

I do know have the STA-1, though.