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Does anyone else sympathize with Prince Hans?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:55 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Does anyone else sympathize with Prince Hans?

Eh, maybe a little, but that sympathy went sailing out the window pretty quick when he revealed the lengths (up to and including cold-blooded murder) he was willing to go to in order to get himself a throne.
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Reploid Productions wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Does anyone else sympathize with Prince Hans?

Eh, maybe a little, but that sympathy went sailing out the window pretty quick when he revealed the lengths (up to and including cold-blooded murder) he was willing to go to in order to get himself a throne.

He has qualities of Caesar.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:50 pm

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Reploid Productions wrote:Eh, maybe a little, but that sympathy went sailing out the window pretty quick when he revealed the lengths (up to and including cold-blooded murder) he was willing to go to in order to get himself a throne.

He has qualities of Caesar.

Bullshit, Caesar was much more calculated, cool, and strategic.

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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:56 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Does anyone else sympathize with Prince Hans?



Not really I thought he was fairly cute but other than that he was kind of satan as a human being. I mean he has the cute factor going for him but I can't think of much else as to why anyone could sympathize with him.

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Reploid Productions wrote:Eh, maybe a little, but that sympathy went sailing out the window pretty quick when he revealed the lengths (up to and including cold-blooded murder) he was willing to go to in order to get himself a throne.

He has qualities of Caesar.


Can we please not insult one of the greatest minds of our world by comparing him to a cardboard two-dimensional Disney villain?

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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:13 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Does anyone else sympathize with Prince Hans?



Not really I thought he was fairly cute but other than that he was kind of satan as a human being. I mean he has the cute factor going for him but I can't think of much else as to why anyone could sympathize with him.

Well, there is an argument to be made that he's the result of his upbringing, and if we take his word for fact about all his siblings and the way he was treated by them, there is some grounds for sympathy. Plus, he did seem to be legitimately interested in making sure the people were cared for properly during the crisis. It seems to me that he wanted to have a throne and title all his own, but it's also clear he doesn't want to be seen as a cruel or uncaring ruler given he tends more toward subterfuge to get the sisters out of the way. After all, he only resorts to open attack on Elsa at the end when the perception by the public would have been less "strong man attacking a young woman" and more "hero bringing down a monstrous witch."

Which arguably makes him that more unnerving of a villain, because he might actually be a very good and well-loved king if you aren't privy to what he is capable of doing to get there.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:20 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:

Not really I thought he was fairly cute but other than that he was kind of satan as a human being. I mean he has the cute factor going for him but I can't think of much else as to why anyone could sympathize with him.

Well, there is an argument to be made that he's the result of his upbringing, and if we take his word for fact about all his siblings and the way he was treated by them, there is some grounds for sympathy. Plus, he did seem to be legitimately interested in making sure the people were cared for properly during the crisis. It seems to me that he wanted to have a throne and title all his own, but it's also clear he doesn't want to be seen as a cruel or uncaring ruler given he tends more toward subterfuge to get the sisters out of the way. After all, he only resorts to open attack on Elsa at the end when the perception by the public would have been less "strong man attacking a young woman" and more "hero bringing down a monstrous witch."

Which arguably makes him that more unnerving of a villain, because he might actually be a very good and well-loved king if you aren't privy to what he is capable of doing to get there.


I suppose I can't disagree with what you said, although in my books the cute aspect gets a lot more sympathy than harassed by older siblings and could be a good king.

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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:36 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:He has qualities of Caesar.


Can we please not insult one of the greatest minds of our world by comparing him to a cardboard two-dimensional Disney villain?

Prince Hans is like Caesar because he was thought of as ambitious by some for caring about his fellow citizens and Arendelle's citizens and he paid the price by people jealous of him just like Caesar.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:37 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
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Not really I thought he was fairly cute but other than that he was kind of satan as a human being. I mean he has the cute factor going for him but I can't think of much else as to why anyone could sympathize with him.

Well, there is an argument to be made that he's the result of his upbringing, and if we take his word for fact about all his siblings and the way he was treated by them, there is some grounds for sympathy. Plus, he did seem to be legitimately interested in making sure the people were cared for properly during the crisis. It seems to me that he wanted to have a throne and title all his own, but it's also clear he doesn't want to be seen as a cruel or uncaring ruler given he tends more toward subterfuge to get the sisters out of the way. After all, he only resorts to open attack on Elsa at the end when the perception by the public would have been less "strong man attacking a young woman" and more "hero bringing down a monstrous witch."

Which arguably makes him that more unnerving of a villain, because he might actually be a very good and well-loved king if you aren't privy to what he is capable of doing to get there.

That is just like Caesar.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:37 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Can we please not insult one of the greatest minds of our world by comparing him to a cardboard two-dimensional Disney villain?

Prince Hans is like Caesar because he was thought of as ambitious by some for caring about his fellow citizens and Arendelle's citizens and he paid the price by people jealous of him just like Caesar.

No he isn't. He's two dimensional, not all that clever, and nowhere nears as cold, calculated, and logical as Caesar.

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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:37 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Well, there is an argument to be made that he's the result of his upbringing, and if we take his word for fact about all his siblings and the way he was treated by them, there is some grounds for sympathy. Plus, he did seem to be legitimately interested in making sure the people were cared for properly during the crisis. It seems to me that he wanted to have a throne and title all his own, but it's also clear he doesn't want to be seen as a cruel or uncaring ruler given he tends more toward subterfuge to get the sisters out of the way. After all, he only resorts to open attack on Elsa at the end when the perception by the public would have been less "strong man attacking a young woman" and more "hero bringing down a monstrous witch."

Which arguably makes him that more unnerving of a villain, because he might actually be a very good and well-loved king if you aren't privy to what he is capable of doing to get there.


I suppose I can't disagree with what you said, although in my books the cute aspect gets a lot more sympathy than harassed by older siblings and could be a good king.

Also, on an unrelated note: As a student of history and someone preparing for their degree in European history I must say this is possibly my favorite thread of all time. The enjoyment I've had from reading almost every post in it is too high for my own good. Bless you all.

Which post is your favorite?
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:38 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Prince Hans is like Caesar because he was thought of as ambitious by some for caring about his fellow citizens and Arendelle's citizens and he paid the price by people jealous of him just like Caesar.

No he isn't. He's two dimensional, not all that clever, and nowhere nears as cold, calculated, and logical as Caesar.

He was wrongfully harmed like Caesar.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:38 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Well, there is an argument to be made that he's the result of his upbringing, and if we take his word for fact about all his siblings and the way he was treated by them, there is some grounds for sympathy. Plus, he did seem to be legitimately interested in making sure the people were cared for properly during the crisis. It seems to me that he wanted to have a throne and title all his own, but it's also clear he doesn't want to be seen as a cruel or uncaring ruler given he tends more toward subterfuge to get the sisters out of the way. After all, he only resorts to open attack on Elsa at the end when the perception by the public would have been less "strong man attacking a young woman" and more "hero bringing down a monstrous witch."

Which arguably makes him that more unnerving of a villain, because he might actually be a very good and well-loved king if you aren't privy to what he is capable of doing to get there.

That is just like Caesar.


He isn't much like Caesar at all. Now if the Southern Isles Imperial Senate all decided to stab him with daggers like sixty times then sure I'd say he is like Caesar. Plus it would have made for a much more interesting ending.

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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:39 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:No he isn't. He's two dimensional, not all that clever, and nowhere nears as cold, calculated, and logical as Caesar.

He was wrongfully harmed like Caesar.

Hans got what he deserved. Caesar was murdered.

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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:41 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:That is just like Caesar.


He isn't much like Caesar at all. Now if the Southern Isles Imperial Senate all decided to stab him with daggers like sixty times then sure I'd say he is like Caesar. Plus it would have made for a much more interesting ending.

Princess Anna punched him like Brutus and company stabbed Caesar.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:42 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:He was wrongfully harmed like Caesar.

Hans got what he deserved. Caesar was murdered.

Hans was a great man. He was noble and just. He was not ambitious. That is a grievous fault. He was punched like Caesar was murdered.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:45 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
He isn't much like Caesar at all. Now if the Southern Isles Imperial Senate all decided to stab him with daggers like sixty times then sure I'd say he is like Caesar. Plus it would have made for a much more interesting ending.

Princess Anna punched him like Brutus and company stabbed Caesar.


What no. She punched him after he tried to kill her and her sister like really.

Brutus stabbed Caesar to stage a coup with the rest of the senate over nothing of the sort.

Hans: Kinda hot probably Nordic guy who is an evil little shit.

Caesar: None of the above and add brilliant by every definition of the word.

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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:45 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Hans got what he deserved. Caesar was murdered.

Hans was a great man. He was noble and just. He was not ambitious. That is a grievous fault. He was punched like Caesar was murdered.

He was conniving, power hungry, and downright crazy. Not a Caesar at all.

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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:49 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Hans was a great man. He was noble and just. He was not ambitious. That is a grievous fault. He was punched like Caesar was murdered.

He was conniving, power hungry, and downright crazy. Not a Caesar at all.

I would be glad to give an oration over the body of Hans.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:51 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Princess Anna punched him like Brutus and company stabbed Caesar.


What no. She punched him after he tried to kill her and her sister like really.

Brutus stabbed Caesar to stage a coup with the rest of the senate over nothing of the sort.

Hans: Kinda hot probably Nordic guy who is an evil little shit.

Caesar: None of the above and add brilliant by every definition of the word.

Queen Elsa committed possible crimes against humanity. Her own subjects feared her. I am sure they loved Prince Hans.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:51 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:He was conniving, power hungry, and downright crazy. Not a Caesar at all.

I would be glad to give an oration over the body of Hans.


Christ he isn't dead, he was punched in the face by a sassy red head and flew off a boat into the water.

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