ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[The Treorai]

That is also a possibility.

The only thing I am really confident about when it comes to Stannis is that he won't be on the Iron Throne in the end.

Seriously, spoiler it's not that hard and not doing it is sort of a bastard move.

Who gets it then? Daenerys "Comedic Relief Khaleesi" Targaryen? Myrcella (can't be true if Maggy was right)? Tommen (see Myrcella)? Shireen?

Well, if Maggy is to be believed, Danny seems most likely.

[Charellia]

That is also a possibility.

The only thing I am really confident about when it comes to Stannis is that he won't be on the Iron Throne in the end.

Seriously, spoiler it's not that hard and not doing it is sort of a bastard move.

Who gets it then? Daenerys "Comedic Relief Khaleesi" Targaryen? Myrcella (can't be true if Maggy was right)? Tommen (see Myrcella)? Shireen?

It seems a little extreme to have to spoiler speculation about where a character won't be in two books, but fine, I'll spoiler everything from now on.

Daenerys has a better chance than Stannis in my opinion, just because she is a POV character who has been so built up, but my money is on Jon Snow. His mother's identity has been so carefully avoided for so long that it must be of massive importance. I think he is Rheagar and Lyanna's son who Ned Stark claimed in order to protect him from Robert. If some king or queen were to legitimize him he would then be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

[Zentrut]

Seriously, spoiler it's not that hard and not doing it is sort of a bastard move.

Who gets it then? Daenerys "Comedic Relief Khaleesi" Targaryen? Myrcella (can't be true if Maggy was right)? Tommen (see Myrcella)? Shireen?

It seems a little extreme to have to spoiler speculation about where a character won't be in two books, but fine, I'll spoiler everything from now on.

Daenerys has a better chance than Stannis in my opinion, just because she is a POV character who has been so built up, but my money is on Jon Snow. His mother's identity has been so carefully avoided for so long that it must be of massive importance. I think he is Rheagar and Lyanna's son who Ned Stark claimed in order to protect him from Robert. If some king or queen were to legitimize him he would then be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Jon is the son of Rhaella Targaryen (warged into Ashara Dayne) and Patchface, GRRM spoilt this for us whilst discussing the notes for his secretly announced eleventh book, A Party for George, in which every character and reader (by name) dies a horrific death. The twelfth book is then just hypothetical conversations between some of our favorite characters (discuss what some of the best conversations would be, I'll give some here) such as King Robert and Tormund, or Stannis and Arya, or Davos and Ned Stark.

[Charellia]

It seems a little extreme to have to spoiler speculation about where a character won't be in two books, but fine, I'll spoiler everything from now on.

Daenerys has a better chance than Stannis in my opinion, just because she is a POV character who has been so built up, but my money is on Jon Snow. His mother's identity has been so carefully avoided for so long that it must be of massive importance. I think he is Rheagar and Lyanna's son who Ned Stark claimed in order to protect him from Robert. If some king or queen were to legitimize him he would then be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Jon is the son of Rhaella Targaryen (warged into Ashara Dayne) and Patchface, GRRM spoilt this for us whilst discussing the notes for his secretly announced eleventh book, A Party for George, in which every character and reader (by name) dies a horrific death. The twelfth book is then just hypothetical conversations between some of our favorite characters (discuss what some of the best conversations would be, I'll give some here) such as King Robert and Tormund, or Stannis and Arya, or Davos and Ned Stark.

What?

[Zentrut]

Jon is the son of Rhaella Targaryen (warged into Ashara Dayne) and Patchface, GRRM spoilt this for us whilst discussing the notes for his secretly announced eleventh book, A Party for George, in which every character and reader (by name) dies a horrific death. The twelfth book is then just hypothetical conversations between some of our favorite characters (discuss what some of the best conversations would be, I'll give some here) such as King Robert and Tormund, or Stannis and Arya, or Davos and Ned Stark.

What?

The first part may be bull, but can you imagine conversations between some of the best characters in the books? Or even the show?

[Ceannairceach]

Seriously, spoiler it's not that hard and not doing it is sort of a bastard move.

Who gets it then? Daenerys "Comedic Relief Khaleesi" Targaryen? Myrcella (can't be true if Maggy was right)? Tommen (see Myrcella)? Shireen?

It seems a little extreme to have to spoiler speculation about where a character won't be in two books, but fine, I'll spoiler everything from now on.

Daenerys has a better chance than Stannis in my opinion, just because she is a POV character who has been so built up, but my money is on Jon Snow. His mother's identity has been so carefully avoided for so long that it must be of massive importance. I think he is Rheagar and Lyanna's son who Ned Stark claimed in order to protect him from Robert. If some king or queen were to legitimize him he would then be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Based on the fact that Robb Stark declared someone his heir, and the most likely person would be Jon Snow, he might be legitimized already. That said, no right-minded person would ever support his claim; the Starks are hated by the south for their treason, and the Targaryens already have two claimants out there.

[Charellia]

It seems a little extreme to have to spoiler speculation about where a character won't be in two books, but fine, I'll spoiler everything from now on.

Daenerys has a better chance than Stannis in my opinion, just because she is a POV character who has been so built up, but my money is on Jon Snow. His mother's identity has been so carefully avoided for so long that it must be of massive importance. I think he is Rheagar and Lyanna's son who Ned Stark claimed in order to protect him from Robert. If some king or queen were to legitimize him he would then be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Based on the fact that Robb Stark declared someone his heir, and the most likely person would be Jon Snow, he might be legitimized already. That said, no right-minded person would ever support his claim; the Starks are hated by the south for their treason, and the Targaryens already have two claimants out there.

I forgot that Robb did that. If you're right that would eliminate a major obstacle to him.
I think you are overestimating the hatred for the Starks in the south. The Lannisters hate them and did before the treason, but I'm not sure the other houses will really care. The Tyrells have shown a tendency to run to the winning side, regardless of past differences. They laid siege to Renly's own castle within his lifetime, but still allied with him, only to go over to the Lannister side when he was killed. While their marriage alliance with the Lannisters lasts they will oppose all claimants, but if something were to happen to Tommen or Margeary (as it almost certainly will) they will once again be free to change sides.
The Martells will likely support him if the other two Targaeryan claimants are somehow eliminated. This I think is likely. Aegon is too late an addition and Danaerys is too obvious a choice for the Iron Throne.
Jon also has an established friendship with Tyrion, the rightful lord of Casterly Rock, making a truce with the Lannisters possible if Tyrion comes into his birthright.
The smallfolk don't care one way or another about the politics of the high lords so he will have no resistance from them, possibly even support if he is seen as protecting them from the Others.

I realize that is a lot of "if"s, but this is fiction and any number of improbable circumstances can occur if the author wishes it

[The Jonathanian States]

Based on the fact that Robb Stark declared someone his heir, and the most likely person would be Jon Snow, he might be legitimized already. That said, no right-minded person would ever support his claim; the Starks are hated by the south for their treason, and the Targaryens already have two claimants out there.

I forgot that Robb did that. If you're right that would eliminate a major obstacle to him.
I think you are overestimating the hatred for the Starks in the south. The Lannisters hate them and did before the treason, but I'm not sure the other houses will really care. The Tyrells have shown a tendency to run to the winning side, regardless of past differences. They laid siege to Renly's own castle within his lifetime, but still allied with him, only to go over to the Lannister side when he was killed. While their marriage alliance with the Lannisters lasts they will oppose all claimants, but if something were to happen to Tommen or Margeary (as it almost certainly will) they will once again be free to change sides.
The Martells will likely support him if the other two Targaeryan claimants are somehow eliminated. This I think is likely. Aegon is too late an addition and Danaerys is too obvious a choice for the Iron Throne.
Jon also has an established friendship with Tyrion, the rightful lord of Casterly Rock, making a truce with the Lannisters possible if Tyrion comes into his birthright.
The smallfolk don't care one way or another about the politics of the high lords so he will have no resistance from them, possibly even support if he is seen as protecting them from the Others.

I realize that is a lot of "if"s, but this is fiction and any number of improbable circumstances can occur if the author wishes it

Additionally, assuming Sansa does actually marry Robert Arryn, the Vale would probably support his claim.
Also, considering the Riverlands did bend for Robb, some of the River-lords might also support Jon, as Robbs heir, too.

[Starblaydia]

<snip> Additionally, assuming Sansa does actually marry Robert Arryn, the Vale would probably support his claim.

Littlefinger marrying Sansa instead means he would be, technically, Lord of Winterfell, The Eyrie and Harrenhal, and have over half the land of the Seven Kingdoms under his control. Plus he'd be (creepily) married to the daughter of the woman he has never been able to get over.

[The Jonathanian States]

<snip> Additionally, assuming Sansa does actually marry Robert Arryn, the Vale would probably support his claim.

Littlefinger marrying Sansa instead means he would be, technically, Lord of Winterfell, The Eyrie and Harrenhal, and have over half the land of the Seven Kingdoms under his control. Plus he'd be (creepily) married to the daughter of the woman he has never been able to get over.

Nope. Jon's,Bran's, and Rickon's claims all have precedence over a claim via marriage. Also, having Sansa does not automatically place the north under his control, and even the vale barely seems to be.

[Ceannairceach]

Littlefinger marrying Sansa instead means he would be, technically, Lord of Winterfell, The Eyrie and Harrenhal, and have over half the land of the Seven Kingdoms under his control. Plus he'd be (creepily) married to the daughter of the woman he has never been able to get over.

Nope. Jon's,Bran's, and Rickon's claims all have precedence over a claim via marriage. Also, having Sansa does not automatically place the north under his control, and even the vale barely seems to be.

Jon has no claim as a member of the Night's Watch. Bran and Rickon are assumed dead. Sansa technically has the highest claim according to the common knowledge of Westeros.

[The Jonathanian States]

Nope. Jon's,Bran's, and Rickon's claims all have precedence over a claim via marriage. Also, having Sansa does not automatically place the north under his control, and even the vale barely seems to be.

Jon has no claim as a member of the Night's Watch. Bran and Rickon are assumed dead. Sansa technically has the highest claim according to the common knowledge of Westeros.

I'm pretty sure Robb declared him[Jon] his heir and left an order to legitimize him...... Bran and Rickon are assumed both alive and dead, as we see in the fact that Lord Manderly has sent Davos to find a Stark. What is dead cannot be found, so he does not believe them dead. And if Manderly can believe that, it isn't too farfetched to assume other northern lords do so too.

[The Huskar Social Union]

1.) Again, you're not understanding the context and you only comprehend what you want. From Tyrion's POV on the other side, it becomes quite clear the Yunkish host is simply over-glorified and reliant on sellswords and untrained slave soldiers with incompetent masters. Meanwhile, Barristan commands 8,000 Unsullied, a few Dothraki warriors, battle-hardened pit fighters, freedmen who fight for their queen rather than coin and the Stormcrows, who are basically bound to Meereen since Daario is still prisoner. Not to mention, it's implied heavily that both the Windblown and the Second Sons will be defecting. Let the Bloody Flux be dealt with later.

2.) Quite a few people approached Daenerys thinking the same thing. She isn't so easily underestimated. Not to mention, Moqorro is one shady motherfucker. Like all the other red priests, they worship Dany as a tool of R'hollor. The blood needed for the horn could very well be Victarion's own. Again, speculation, but as it seems, the Iron Fleet is there to aid Daenerys' force against the Yunkish in the short-term. Leave the speculation to GRRM.

3.) Now you're just sounding like one of Stannis' worshipers from the books. Cult of personality, much?

Also, the whole "Azor Ahai" thing, Melisandre can't see Stannis when she asks her fires to see Azor. Only Snow. He's been misguided. It wouldn't be the first time Melisandre made a blunder.

4.) Who's to say Manderly won't simply take power for himself using Rickon as his tool? Why would he have Davos fetch the brother of one of Stannis' usurper kings if he was going to declare for Stannis? Again, speculation.

5.) I don't get why you're acting high and mighty, considering your own views are based solely on biased speculation and a personality cult.

1.So Speculative musing coming from a man who has only commanded one battle his entire life and even then it was only one aspect of it, The hope that their hired mercenaries will defect and the belief that the Mercs won't turn and run the moment that their backs against the walls?
2. I highly doubt it is there to aid them in any timeframe, it is there because their commander wants it to be there, and his prize isn't even there. I see no reason for it actually engage.
3. I admit the greatness of the man i desire to win, You seem to do it for another contender, but don't claim "cult of personality" to be limited to Stannis what with that whole "mother" garbage, and the chain breaker and that whole mythos she built up.
4. Because Robb's rebellion died with robb and having a united North under Stannis beats having a united North under the Boltons, or having the Ironmen continue to linger there? Stannis actually is about the only person around there who would actually move to secure his Kingdom, much like he said to Jon Snow. He came to protect his realm, to gain his throne, not the opposite like every one else.
5. Like your own! i will point out though, you seem to "forget" bits of what is going on, when it doesn't suit you.

Spoiler this post now mormak.

[Ceannairceach]

Jon has no claim as a member of the Night's Watch. Bran and Rickon are assumed dead. Sansa technically has the highest claim according to the common knowledge of Westeros.

I'm pretty sure Robb declared him[Jon] his heir and left an order to legitimize him...... Bran and Rickon are assumed both alive and dead, as we see in the fact that Lord Manderly has sent Davos to find a Stark. What is dead cannot be found, so he does not believe them dead. And if Manderly can believe that, it isn't too farfetched to assume other northern lords do so too.

It really doesn't matter much if Robb legitimized him. Robb was a traitor with no claim to the Iron Throne nor kingship at all, and more importantly, as a member of the Watch, any attempts to press this legitimization would lead to him being branded a worse traitor than he already has been as of ADWD. Obviously some people still cling to the hope that Bran and Rickon are alive, and they're right, but I don't think they have enough support considering the bodies were clearly displayed. Sure, if they produce a Stark boy, he'll have the claim, but until then, Sansa is the clearest heir to the Stark claim on the North.

[Mormak]

So no evidence then.

Despite his fate, Eddard was instrumental to the plot. If Stannis is to take the Iron Throne and defeat the Others that would make him an even more important character than Ned or any other deceased POV character. If Stannis really were the hero of the story I think we would have got his POV by now.

I would not be surprised if Stannis did eventually gain the Iron Throne only to lose it to somebody else though.

I still think Stannis will bend the knee out of his duty to protect the realm against the Others. At most, he might find a comfy spot as Hand.

I strongly doubt that, He doesn't bend.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

I still think Stannis will bend the knee out of his duty to protect the realm against the Others. At most, he might find a comfy spot as Hand.

I strongly doubt that, He doesn't bend.

With enough pressure and heat he will.

[Mormak]

I strongly doubt that, He doesn't bend.

With enough pressure and heat he will.

Funny, i still doubt it though.

He has established that he will die a King if he is to die.

[Arlye Austros]

I strongly doubt that, He doesn't bend.

With enough pressure and heat he will.

Stannis?!?! Nah, that guy is as cold and heartless as steel. Seriously, its like the thing between robots and humans.

[Mormak]

With enough pressure and heat he will.

Stannis?!?! Nah, that guy is as cold and heartless as steel. Seriously, its like the thing between robots and humans.

He isn't heartless, Nor he is overly cold but he is driven by what he views as right and wrong.

And that comes before everything else.

Besides his Daughter is adorable! Therefore he should win!

[Arlye Austros]

Stannis?!?! Nah, that guy is as cold and heartless as steel. Seriously, its like the thing between robots and humans.

He isn't heartless, Nor he is overly cold but he is driven by what he views as right and wrong.

And that comes before everything else.

Besides his Daughter is adorable! Therefore he should win!

Yes, cause having adorable kids is the way to get the Throne in Westeros... Right Stark Family?... Stark? Where the hell did you?... Oh! Right!

[Mormak]

He isn't heartless, Nor he is overly cold but he is driven by what he views as right and wrong.

And that comes before everything else.

Besides his Daughter is adorable! Therefore he should win!

Yes, cause having adorable kids is the way to get the Throne in Westeros... Right Stark Family?... Stark? Where the hell did you?... Oh! Right!

None of them were cute, They were all whiny, brooding and overly emotional.

Really its a good thing that, well. There isn't like to be anymore of them.

Its ironic because if the Starks hadn't been the imbeciles they were, Stannis would likely have met his death at the Wall. Thank goodness for Teenagers though eh?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just another friendly reminder to SPOILER ANYTHING that would give hints to events in the fucking story from the start of Season 3/ Book 3 onwards.

Mormak, go back and spoiler that post i told you to earlier, as well as the one above this post.

[Mormak]

Just another friendly reminder to SPOILER ANYTHING THAT WOULD GIVE HINTS TO EVENTS IN THE FUCKING STORY.

Mormak, go back and spoiler that post i told you to earlier, as well as the one above this post.

Maybe for the one mentioned prior, For the one just now? No.

By your own rules, mentioning of the Red Wedding is not "spoiling" anything

Its a storm of swords event after all.

The book came out fourteen years ago, i really don't think it or its events should be considered spoiling anything.

[Arlye Austros]

Just another friendly reminder to SPOILER ANYTHING THAT WOULD GIVE HINTS TO EVENTS IN THE FUCKING STORY.

Mormak, go back and spoiler that post i told you to earlier, as well as the one above this post.

Maybe for the one mentioned prior, For the one just now? No.

By your own rules, mentioning of the Red Wedding is not "spoiling" anything

Its a storm of swords event after all.

The book came out fourteen years ago, i really don't think it or its events should be considered spoiling anything.

seriously, we gonna start arguing whats a spoiler? It´s Season 3, enough to me to consider it a Spoiler. Already edited my post.

[Mormak]

Maybe for the one mentioned prior, For the one just now? No.

By your own rules, mentioning of the Red Wedding is not "spoiling" anything

Its a storm of swords event after all.

The book came out fourteen years ago, i really don't think it or its events should be considered spoiling anything.

seriously, we gonna start arguing whats a spoiler? It´s Season 3, enough to me to consider it a Spoiler. Already edited my post.

Not much of an argument when the source material is nearing twenty years of age, just going to put that out there.

And i don't judge things by the Mediocre television show, which i actually ceased watching in "season two".