NATION

PASSWORD

ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

A coffee shop for those who like to discuss art, music, books, movies, TV, each other's own works, and existential angst.

Advertisement

Remove ads

What are your feelings towards the Game of Thrones prequel "Blood Moon"?

Very excited/interested for the new series
3
7%
Cautious but optimistic
15
33%
Cautious, not optimistic
11
24%
Not excited/interested for the new series
16
36%
 
Total votes : 45

User avatar
Pasong Tirad
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9979
Founded: May 31, 2007
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:05 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.


Yes but then the NK could just recast reanimation and get his skeleton army back. The rules of the show however seem to suggest that once a weight is hit with dragon glass or Vsteel, it's dead for good and can't come back. So either the NK's spell is 1 time only, which seems dumb, or he can't animate bodies past a certain point, which makes a certain amount of sense.

Doesn't seem all that dumb. Valyrian steel and dragon glass are also known to have some kind of magical properties surrounding it. Being able to break a spell shouldn't be out of the question. A lot of the wights shown in the show were literally just bones with armor on them. Frankly there's more evidence on the show pointing to there not being any time limit to the magic of the White Walkers.
Last edited by Pasong Tirad on Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Baltenstein
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10580
Founded: Jan 25, 2010
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:09 am

Actually, I do believe or like to believe that the WW can raise dead bodies as often as they want. It makes them even more of a threat and would also confirm that burning wights really is the best and most definitive way way to put them down.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


THE NORTH REMEMBERS

User avatar
Fedel
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1205
Founded: Mar 08, 2018
Father Knows Best State

Postby Fedel » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:56 am

After watching the most recent episode, I think:

Jorah will end up dealing the killing blow to the Night King and losing his life in the process.

User avatar
Tarsonis
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12440
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:04 am

Fedel wrote:After watching the most recent episode, I think:

Jorah will end up dealing the killing blow to the Night King and losing his life in the process.


If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.
Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

User avatar
-Ocelot-
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1812
Founded: Jun 14, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby -Ocelot- » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:55 pm

Azor Ahai

What do you think of the Jaime is Azor Ahai theory? According to this theory, Jaime, being the Kingslayer, will slay the Night King. His loved one will be Brienne who will fall in battle because of a stab and Jaime will have to draw a sword from her, thus becoming the prince that was promised. I like this theory because it's unlikely and it avoids further Mary-suing Jon Snow. The problem with this theory is that Cercei is supposed to die by his "younger brother" and Jaime was born a second after Cercei. Him being Azor Ahai likely means that he will die fighting the Others. Tyrion is also in the north, so it will be interesting to see how Cercei will be choked by her "valonqar".

I like how the show leaves this topic a mystery until the very end. At this point Azor Ahai could realistically be Jorah, Jaime, Jon, Beric, Gendry or even The Hound. You could make a case for each one of them e.g: Beric is Azor Ahai because R'hllor keeps reviving him. Which one do you believe will be the Prince that was promised?
Post Τenebras Lux

██████████
██████████
██████████

User avatar
Tarsonis
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12440
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:43 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:Azor Ahai

What do you think of the Jaime is Azor Ahai theory? According to this theory, Jaime, being the Kingslayer, will slay the Night King. His loved one will be Brienne who will fall in battle because of a stab and Jaime will have to draw a sword from her, thus becoming the prince that was promised. I like this theory because it's unlikely and it avoids further Mary-suing Jon Snow. The problem with this theory is that Cercei is supposed to die by his "younger brother" and Jaime was born a second after Cercei. Him being Azor Ahai likely means that he will die fighting the Others. Tyrion is also in the north, so it will be interesting to see how Cercei will be choked by her "valonqar".

I like how the show leaves this topic a mystery until the very end. At this point Azor Ahai could realistically be Jorah, Jaime, Jon, Beric, Gendry or even The Hound. You could make a case for each one of them e.g: Beric is Azor Ahai because R'hllor keeps reviving him. Which one do you believe will be the Prince that was promised?


”There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.”

Unless there’s more to the prophecy I Don’t see anything in there that requires Azor Ahai to relive the life exactly. I don’t think any love needs to die.


Also I don’t think speculation needs to be spoilered.
Last edited by Tarsonis on Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44993
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:47 pm

Doesnt one of the valyrian swords have a red blade? Or am i imaging that.
Im Irish and live in Belfast Im a Leftwinger and im an Atheist

‘I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume

I like: The Red Agenda, video games, Not being a Wanker, Art, History, Blondes, Redheads, English Brunettes, Fortifications, Old Gregg, Tanks
I Dislike: The Blue Agenda, Being a Wanker, Gatekeeping, Likes and Dislikes lists, Dismantling Fortifications, Zealots, People who dont like Tanks

User avatar
The World Capitalist Confederation
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12837
Founded: Dec 07, 2018
Capitalist Paradise

Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:48 pm

The current state of GoT:
Imagevia Imgflip Meme Generator
Please Watch
“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

User avatar
Tarsonis
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12440
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:03 pm

Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

User avatar
Ethel mermania
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 106593
Founded: Aug 20, 2010
Father Knows Best State

Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:


Nice, will show wife.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

http://www.salientpartners.com/epsilont ... ilizations

User avatar
Platypus Bureaucracy
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1763
Founded: Jun 06, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm

Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?
Platypus of the non-venomous, egg-laying variety
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:I will never stop being a gay platypus.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:You glorifted ducking wanabe sea pheasant

Platapusses are not rel

Ostroeuropa wrote:"Can we just eat SOME of the rich?"

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44993
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:09 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?

Its this worlds version of damascus steel, but dragonfire might have been involved in its forging from what i remember being mentioned in the books.
Im Irish and live in Belfast Im a Leftwinger and im an Atheist

‘I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume

I like: The Red Agenda, video games, Not being a Wanker, Art, History, Blondes, Redheads, English Brunettes, Fortifications, Old Gregg, Tanks
I Dislike: The Blue Agenda, Being a Wanker, Gatekeeping, Likes and Dislikes lists, Dismantling Fortifications, Zealots, People who dont like Tanks

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 141359
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Ifreann » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:13 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?

Nothing, I believe.
Mistake Not My Current State Of Regular Thorough Handwashing For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Mask Wearing That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Social Distancing
He/Him

You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
I'll tell you where the real road lies: between your ears, behind your eyes. That is the path to paradise, likewise the road to ruin.

User avatar
Bloodshade
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 457
Founded: May 28, 2017
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Bloodshade » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:14 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its this worlds version of damascus steel, but dragonfire might have been involved in its forging from what i remember being mentioned in the books.


Also, it was said that magic was imbued in the Valyrian Steel which could explain why it’s effective against the White Walkers as they were made by the Children of the Forest through a magical ritual.

Still, that’s just a rumor in the lore as no character knows exactly how Valyrian Steel was made. It’s method is lost forever, similar to the way we don’t know the method of how Damascus Steel was made.
Last edited by Bloodshade on Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Galactic Federation of Bloodshade
A Future-Tech civilisation that survived the destruction of its now long-gone homeworld and is attempting to consolidate its place in the stars, all the while avoiding getting its ass kicked around.


7th in the NationStates Flag Bracket | Video game screenshots I'm proud of | Queen Kitty

Bloodshade Broadcasting Company | Talking black cat saved from a suspicious house fire by heroic G.E.B director, Victoria Hoffmeister | Octavian forces have engaged in Sildorian Space. Population ecstatic and worried about result |

User avatar
Tarsonis
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12440
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:20 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?

Its this worlds version of damascus steel, but dragonfire might have been involved in its forging from what i remember being mentioned in the books.


Perhaps using dragonglass as an additive for the wootz
Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

User avatar
New haven america
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37323
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:05 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Doesnt one of the valyrian swords have a red blade? Or am i imaging that.

Oathkeeper.
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2020

That's all folks~

User avatar
Beyond the Trident
Civilian
 
Posts: 1
Founded: Apr 02, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Beyond the Trident » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:52 am

New haven america wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Doesnt one of the valyrian swords have a red blade? Or am i imaging that.

Oathkeeper.

Also Widow's Wail, wherever that is currently.

User avatar
Ism
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6152
Founded: Oct 14, 2011
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ism » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:08 am

Beyond the Trident wrote:
New haven america wrote:Oathkeeper.

Also Widow's Wail, wherever that is currently.


Jaime’s got that one.

User avatar
Baltenstein
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10580
Founded: Jan 25, 2010
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Baltenstein » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:17 pm

A thought occured to me in regards to Jon/Aegon:

I still think that naming Jon Aegon was an awful idea. However, I remembered that in the books, there is also a character called Aegon Targaryen, who is also being built up as a rival to Dany's claim to the throne. Seeing how Martin has told D&D about the culmination of the overall story, but Young Griff was not included in the show, maybe they incorporated parts of book!Aegon's plotine into TV!Jon's plotine? Maybe that's why they had Rhaegar and Lyanna be secretly married in the show, to introduce this Tararyen succession rivalry plotline with Jon instead of fAegon.
Last edited by Baltenstein on Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


THE NORTH REMEMBERS

User avatar
The World Capitalist Confederation
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12837
Founded: Dec 07, 2018
Capitalist Paradise

Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Baltenstein wrote:A thought occured to me in regards to Jon/Aegon:

I still think that naming Jon Aegon was an awful idea. However, I remembered that in the books, there is also a character called Aegon Targaryen, who is also being built up as a rival to Dany's claim to the throne. Seeing how Martin has told D&D about the culmination of the overall story, but Young Griff was not included in the show, maybe they incorporated parts of book!Aegon's plotine into TV!Jon's plotine? Maybe that's why they had Rhaegar and Lyanna be secretly married in the show, to introduce this Tararyen succession rivalry plotline with Jon instead of fAegon.


At this point, I think they're going to reveal Jaime and Cersei as Targaryens. It would explain the incest...
Please Watch
“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44993
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:53 pm

Baltenstein wrote:A thought occured to me in regards to Jon/Aegon:

I still think that naming Jon Aegon was an awful idea. However, I remembered that in the books, there is also a character called Aegon Targaryen, who is also being built up as a rival to Dany's claim to the throne. Seeing how Martin has told D&D about the culmination of the overall story, but Young Griff was not included in the show, maybe they incorporated parts of book!Aegon's plotine into TV!Jon's plotine? Maybe that's why they had Rhaegar and Lyanna be secretly married in the show, to introduce this Tararyen succession rivalry plotline with Jon instead of fAegon.

Hmm yeah that makes sense.
Im Irish and live in Belfast Im a Leftwinger and im an Atheist

‘I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume

I like: The Red Agenda, video games, Not being a Wanker, Art, History, Blondes, Redheads, English Brunettes, Fortifications, Old Gregg, Tanks
I Dislike: The Blue Agenda, Being a Wanker, Gatekeeping, Likes and Dislikes lists, Dismantling Fortifications, Zealots, People who dont like Tanks

User avatar
Auristania
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1064
Founded: Aug 12, 2016
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Auristania » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Fedel wrote:After watching the most recent episode, I think:

Jorah will end up dealing the killing blow to the Night King and losing his life in the process.


If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.

Yeah. I am guessing #03 will resolve the zombies and the rest of the show will be Human political Shenanigans.

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44993
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:36 am

Auristania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.

Yeah. I am guessing #03 will resolve the zombies and the rest of the show will be Human political Shenanigans.

Seems to be.
Im Irish and live in Belfast Im a Leftwinger and im an Atheist

‘I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume

I like: The Red Agenda, video games, Not being a Wanker, Art, History, Blondes, Redheads, English Brunettes, Fortifications, Old Gregg, Tanks
I Dislike: The Blue Agenda, Being a Wanker, Gatekeeping, Likes and Dislikes lists, Dismantling Fortifications, Zealots, People who dont like Tanks

User avatar
Tarsonis
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12440
Founded: Sep 20, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:03 am

Unless Cersei is the night queen
Proud NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

User avatar
Baltenstein
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10580
Founded: Jan 25, 2010
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Baltenstein » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:29 am

Auristania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.

Yeah. I am guessing #03 will resolve the zombies and the rest of the show will be Human political Shenanigans.


Which, in my opinion, would be disappointing. I always figured that part of the tragic irony of the GoT setting was how the various noble houses simply couldn't stop with their petty turf wars and dynastic squabbles despite repeated and unmistaken warnings that the big, supernatural threat was slowly but inevitably descending upon the world over the course of seven seasons. If it turns out that the mortals kick said threat's ass in 1-2 episodes and simply continue with the dynastic squabbles, it would kinda ruin the impression.

Also, it simply looks too much by the numbers. There's got to be some shocking, game-changing twist coming up, even if it's an illogical one (as if that would stop D&D).
Last edited by Baltenstein on Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:31 am, edited 2 times in total.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


THE NORTH REMEMBERS

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Arts & Fiction

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot]

Advertisement

Remove ads