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What are your feelings towards the Game of Thrones prequel "Blood Moon"?

Very excited/interested for the new series
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No votes
Cautious but optimistic
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Cautious, not optimistic
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17%
Not excited/interested for the new series
14
40%
 
Total votes : 35

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:05 am

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How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.


Yes but then the NK could just recast reanimation and get his skeleton army back. The rules of the show however seem to suggest that once a weight is hit with dragon glass or Vsteel, it's dead for good and can't come back. So either the NK's spell is 1 time only, which seems dumb, or he can't animate bodies past a certain point, which makes a certain amount of sense.

Doesn't seem all that dumb. Valyrian steel and dragon glass are also known to have some kind of magical properties surrounding it. Being able to break a spell shouldn't be out of the question. A lot of the wights shown in the show were literally just bones with armor on them. Frankly there's more evidence on the show pointing to there not being any time limit to the magic of the White Walkers.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:09 am

Actually, I do believe or like to believe that the WW can raise dead bodies as often as they want. It makes them even more of a threat and would also confirm that burning wights really is the best and most definitive way way to put them down.
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Postby Fedel » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:56 am

After watching the most recent episode, I think:

Jorah will end up dealing the killing blow to the Night King and losing his life in the process.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:04 am

Fedel wrote:After watching the most recent episode, I think:

Jorah will end up dealing the killing blow to the Night King and losing his life in the process.


If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:55 pm

Azor Ahai

What do you think of the Jaime is Azor Ahai theory? According to this theory, Jaime, being the Kingslayer, will slay the Night King. His loved one will be Brienne who will fall in battle because of a stab and Jaime will have to draw a sword from her, thus becoming the prince that was promised. I like this theory because it's unlikely and it avoids further Mary-suing Jon Snow. The problem with this theory is that Cercei is supposed to die by his "younger brother" and Jaime was born a second after Cercei. Him being Azor Ahai likely means that he will die fighting the Others. Tyrion is also in the north, so it will be interesting to see how Cercei will be choked by her "valonqar".

I like how the show leaves this topic a mystery until the very end. At this point Azor Ahai could realistically be Jorah, Jaime, Jon, Beric, Gendry or even The Hound. You could make a case for each one of them e.g: Beric is Azor Ahai because R'hllor keeps reviving him. Which one do you believe will be the Prince that was promised?
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:43 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:Azor Ahai

What do you think of the Jaime is Azor Ahai theory? According to this theory, Jaime, being the Kingslayer, will slay the Night King. His loved one will be Brienne who will fall in battle because of a stab and Jaime will have to draw a sword from her, thus becoming the prince that was promised. I like this theory because it's unlikely and it avoids further Mary-suing Jon Snow. The problem with this theory is that Cercei is supposed to die by his "younger brother" and Jaime was born a second after Cercei. Him being Azor Ahai likely means that he will die fighting the Others. Tyrion is also in the north, so it will be interesting to see how Cercei will be choked by her "valonqar".

I like how the show leaves this topic a mystery until the very end. At this point Azor Ahai could realistically be Jorah, Jaime, Jon, Beric, Gendry or even The Hound. You could make a case for each one of them e.g: Beric is Azor Ahai because R'hllor keeps reviving him. Which one do you believe will be the Prince that was promised?


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Unless there’s more to the prophecy I Don’t see anything in there that requires Azor Ahai to relive the life exactly. I don’t think any love needs to die.


Also I don’t think speculation needs to be spoilered.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:47 pm

Doesnt one of the valyrian swords have a red blade? Or am i imaging that.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:03 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm

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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm

Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:09 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?

Its this worlds version of damascus steel, but dragonfire might have been involved in its forging from what i remember being mentioned in the books.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:13 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?

Nothing, I believe.
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Postby Bloodshade » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:14 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its this worlds version of damascus steel, but dragonfire might have been involved in its forging from what i remember being mentioned in the books.


Also, it was said that magic was imbued in the Valyrian Steel which could explain why it’s effective against the White Walkers as they were made by the Children of the Forest through a magical ritual.

Still, that’s just a rumor in the lore as no character knows exactly how Valyrian Steel was made. It’s method is lost forever, similar to the way we don’t know the method of how Damascus Steel was made.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:20 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Valyrian steel: dragonglass alloy?

People who have paid more attention to both books and show than me: what exactly do we know about the process of making it?

Its this worlds version of damascus steel, but dragonfire might have been involved in its forging from what i remember being mentioned in the books.


Perhaps using dragonglass as an additive for the wootz
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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:05 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Doesnt one of the valyrian swords have a red blade? Or am i imaging that.

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Postby Beyond the Trident » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:52 am

New haven america wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Doesnt one of the valyrian swords have a red blade? Or am i imaging that.

Oathkeeper.

Also Widow's Wail, wherever that is currently.

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Postby Ism » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:08 am

Beyond the Trident wrote:
New haven america wrote:Oathkeeper.

Also Widow's Wail, wherever that is currently.


Jaime’s got that one.

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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:17 pm

A thought occured to me in regards to Jon/Aegon:

I still think that naming Jon Aegon was an awful idea. However, I remembered that in the books, there is also a character called Aegon Targaryen, who is also being built up as a rival to Dany's claim to the throne. Seeing how Martin has told D&D about the culmination of the overall story, but Young Griff was not included in the show, maybe they incorporated parts of book!Aegon's plotine into TV!Jon's plotine? Maybe that's why they had Rhaegar and Lyanna be secretly married in the show, to introduce this Tararyen succession rivalry plotline with Jon instead of fAegon.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Baltenstein wrote:A thought occured to me in regards to Jon/Aegon:

I still think that naming Jon Aegon was an awful idea. However, I remembered that in the books, there is also a character called Aegon Targaryen, who is also being built up as a rival to Dany's claim to the throne. Seeing how Martin has told D&D about the culmination of the overall story, but Young Griff was not included in the show, maybe they incorporated parts of book!Aegon's plotine into TV!Jon's plotine? Maybe that's why they had Rhaegar and Lyanna be secretly married in the show, to introduce this Tararyen succession rivalry plotline with Jon instead of fAegon.


At this point, I think they're going to reveal Jaime and Cersei as Targaryens. It would explain the incest...

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:53 pm

Baltenstein wrote:A thought occured to me in regards to Jon/Aegon:

I still think that naming Jon Aegon was an awful idea. However, I remembered that in the books, there is also a character called Aegon Targaryen, who is also being built up as a rival to Dany's claim to the throne. Seeing how Martin has told D&D about the culmination of the overall story, but Young Griff was not included in the show, maybe they incorporated parts of book!Aegon's plotine into TV!Jon's plotine? Maybe that's why they had Rhaegar and Lyanna be secretly married in the show, to introduce this Tararyen succession rivalry plotline with Jon instead of fAegon.

Hmm yeah that makes sense.
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Postby Auristania » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Fedel wrote:After watching the most recent episode, I think:

Jorah will end up dealing the killing blow to the Night King and losing his life in the process.


If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.

Yeah. I am guessing #03 will resolve the zombies and the rest of the show will be Human political Shenanigans.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:36 am

Auristania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.

Yeah. I am guessing #03 will resolve the zombies and the rest of the show will be Human political Shenanigans.

Seems to be.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:03 am

Unless Cersei is the night queen
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:29 am

Auristania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
If that's the way it goes, I'm guessing it's gonna be the classic stabs self to stab person right behind them trope.

Yeah. I am guessing #03 will resolve the zombies and the rest of the show will be Human political Shenanigans.


Which, in my opinion, would be disappointing. I always figured that part of the tragic irony of the GoT setting was how the various noble houses simply couldn't stop with their petty turf wars and dynastic squabbles despite repeated and unmistaken warnings that the big, supernatural threat was slowly but inevitably descending upon the world over the course of seven seasons. If it turns out that the mortals kick said threat's ass in 1-2 episodes and simply continue with the dynastic squabbles, it would kinda ruin the impression.

Also, it simply looks too much by the numbers. There's got to be some shocking, game-changing twist coming up, even if it's an illogical one (as if that would stop D&D).
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