ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[The Valyria Empire]

I believe there’s a point to the Faramir Six-Skins prologue. Not only do we learn a lot about skinchangers in that chapter, as he is one of the strongest skinchangers. It also helps reinforce the idea of a character’s subconscious living on in their animal. As we first saw with Orell and his eagle, then alluded with Robb and Grey Wind, followed up by Faramir.

All these tie into to how Jon’s story ends in the book. With him whispering Ghost (just like Robb), and possibly having his sub conscious go into Ghost.

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I just finished re-reading AWDW, and I think I’d put ADWD at my third favorite. Right behind AGOT, and AFFC. There’s some points where I think the book drags in places; Dany’s last chapter was kinda meh. A couple of Jon chapters were hit and miss, and some of Barristan’s. However I believe the fantastic Theon chapters, as well as the Tyrion and Cersei chapters made up for it. Plus it has one of the best epilogues.

Also I’ve just started Fire & Blood. While I feel like a couple of spots are ripped right out of the World of Ice and Fire, there’s some extra details here and there that I like. I’m very interested in the second half, as I find the Targaryens post-Dance to be more interesting.

[Auristania]

I'm back into Westeros one last time. I think I'm actually going to miss Roy Dotrice a little once it's done; he's an appalling narrator, but I've grown to enjoy his quirks through sheer, exhausting repetition. Like a kind of auditory Stockholm Syndrome.

Anyway, do I need to use spoiler tags for ADWD?

T doubt it. Show and Book have diverged so much.

Do we still need spoilers for Season 7?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm back into Westeros one last time. I think I'm actually going to miss Roy Dotrice a little once it's done; he's an appalling narrator, but I've grown to enjoy his quirks through sheer, exhausting repetition. Like a kind of auditory Stockholm Syndrome.

Anyway, do I need to use spoiler tags for ADWD?

T doubt it. Show and Book have diverged so much.

Do we still need spoilers for Season 7?

At this stage nah its been out long enough, just keep the spoilers for that new Fire and Blood book that came out, and season 8 when it rolls around. This thread is usually dead between seasons of the show any way.

[Yohannes]

Hi! I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this question (since this thread is for the book; if this is not the right thread my apologies!), well I was watching the Greyscale scene where Sam dissect/cut away Jonah's infected greyscale upper skin layer. Well I saw pus formation (yuck) beneath the (removed) greyscale layer. Is this pus part of the infection or is it part of the body's way to fight the infection?

If it is the latter, why couldn't the body fight back the infection?

Also, why the removal of greyscale (upper skin) layer? Does it really mean that the whole infection/disease is connected with the upper layer itself? (So once the upper skin layer has been removed we can assume that we've cured the person)

And if so, why did the Maester consider the procedure a dangerous procedure?

Thank you

[Ethel mermania]

Hi! I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this question (since this thread is for the book; if this is not the right thread my apologies!), well I was watching the Greyscale scene where Sam dissect/cut away Jonah's infected greyscale upper skin layer. Well I saw pus formation (yuck) beneath the (removed) greyscale layer. Is this pus part of the infection or is it part of the body's way to fight the infection?

If it is the latter, why couldn't the body fight back the infection?

Also, why the removal of greyscale (upper skin) layer? Does it really mean that the whole infection/disease is connected with the upper layer itself? (So once the upper skin layer has been removed we can assume that we've cured the person)

And if so, why did the Maester consider the procedure a dangerous procedure?

Thank you

Thread is for book and movie, and complaining we will never see book 6, so you are fine.

Have to think the pus was part of the infection, as getting the pus on you caused infections.

The actual mechanics of the disease, you are going to have to ask George. That said I am sure he will be happy to answer you, in great detail, anything he can do not to write book 6.

As to the maester, because no one but Sam followed the directions completely.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Apparently Asha's cunt became the world, which sounds like some weird creation myth.

[Infected Mushroom]

I just had this Whack dream where I was teaching some kids a class in Taipei as a substitute teacher (main teacher was there too). The kids were young and “naive” so they admitted to the teacher that they like me (the substitute teacher) would also like to travel internationally and be in Canada. I smiled but I was thinking (“if only you knew the entire sad story”). The kids then complained to the main teacher about how they much they hated their parents. The teacher gave them a scolding for it with an Irish accent that resembles Mad Eye Moody:

“I hate mee old man, but he still ma grand-farther!”

I was privately sad because I’d rather stay here but I’ve run out of money and have to trouble my controversial long estrtranged uncle in Quebec:

King Stannis Baratheon

Stannis tried to take the Iron Throne in London but was defeated and has fled England. Since then he’s been trying to rebuild his army in Canada (he faked his death in England). Supposedly he got involved with some Red priestess/cult leader after the battle.

Before leaving, I give a friend some advice on how to play Vladimir in League of Legends and advised him to buy Marquis Vlad.

I go to Quebec and finds that Stannis lives inside a large hidden cave in the rocks that he has rebuilt into an underground castle.

He’s supposed to be stern, charmless, and mean but he seems excessively jovial and happy to see me.

“nepheeeeeeeeeew!” He yells as he embraces me. He then makes a ton of strange jokes as he shows me the underworld castle and brags about retaking the iron throne. I see the red lady as well who rolls her eyes. I get assigned some paperwork tasks inside the dungeon and later discuss military plans with Stannis. I ask him what if the English discover this cave; he shrugs and he says he’s worked out a pact with the Quebecois and the tribes.

“Y’all all I got now, ya ma blood,” I remember Stannis saying

While I’m out there picking flowers the Red Woman attempts to “seduce” me but it turns out that I’m Stannis in disguise for that scene. For some reason Stannis was amused instead of angry.

The real me was working with alchemists in the cave to prepare a magical potion to give the king “his strength back.” I caution Stannis against the potion but Stannis says: “reeeeee lax”

Stannis later wakes up slightly deformed but extremely megalomaniacal and able to lift two soldiers up at once.

At this point a representative from England/the Iton Throne comes knocking at the cave. Stannis goes to treat with this man and takes with him a single guardsman and a naked dude that kind of looks like Ramsay but isn’t Ramsay. I want to go along too but he won’t let me.

The dream then shifts to a third person perspective as a Stannis cautiously calls out to the English to make sure they came alone and in good faith. The POV switched a bit to “Ramsay” who intends to betray Stannis to the English outside.

I then wake up

[Ethel mermania]

Something else Martin is doing besides writing book 6


https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 5510258071

He is right about the pizza though.

[Infected Mushroom]

Something else Martin is doing besides writing book 6


https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 5510258071

He is right about the pizza though.

Agreed 100%

its good thing to know Martin and I have similar taste in foods

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Oh, joy. An Areo Hotah chapter.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Official Season 8 teaser

Its a very nice animated sequence, no scenes from the show though.

[Auristania]

Greyscale guesses

Pus is common body reaction to isolate infection. This pus MAY be some magic stuff.

Pus aint enough to stop spread of disease. Greyscale starts on the skin but eventually effects the brain and other organs. Mormont and Princess had not been infected long enough,

Treatment is dangerous because Doctor might get infected. Sam did not wear gloves or mask.

Greyscale leper Colony is Valyria where the Dragins come from. Most greyscalers die. 1 in 1,000 get cured. What if 1 in 1,000,000 turn into dragons?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Greyscale guesses

Pus is common body reaction to isolate infection. This pus MAY be some magic stuff.

Pus aint enough to stop spread of disease. Greyscale starts on the skin but eventually effects the brain and other organs. Mormont and Princess had not been infected long enough,

Treatment is dangerous because Doctor might get infected. Sam did not wear gloves or mask.

Greyscale leper Colony is Valyria where the Dragins come from. Most greyscalers die. 1 in 1,000 get cured. What if 1 in 1,000,000 turn into dragons?

What if greyscale was a dragon disease that jumped across species?

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Well, that's just typical. Just as I get to a point where I'm genuinely excited to see where this series goes, I catch up and it'll probably never be finished.

ADWD is definitely a big improvement. The Aegon stuff in particular is intriguing, but I still have some gripes. I feel like we've only inched forwards in terms of events, and the book ends just as all the things start to happen. I also hoped the Quentyn Martell plot was going to go somewhere interesting. Following a man halfway across the world only for him to get set on fire is...frustrating. I can see why the show cut that shaggy dog story.

And, God, do I miss the days of AGOT, when a group of people would say "Let's go to King's Landing" and they'd arrive within a couple of chapters and stuff could start happening. It feels like Martin was playing a game of seeing just how many detours he could send Tyrion on while still keeping the plot coherent.

[Infected Mushroom]

From a gossip site:

...But there’s some potentially bad news, too. You see, this year, Coster-Waldau was involved in a workplace-related arbitration dispute. At the bottom of the arbitration judge’s ruling, there’s an itemized list of all the income Coster-Waldau has made in the recent past. There are two big takeaways from it: 1) Coster-Waldau is doing just fine, and; 2) He’s only listed as having made money off four episodes of Game of Thrones season 8. Does this mean that Jaime only appears in four out of the coming six episodes? And if not in the remaining two, why not? Might Jaime die in this giant battle?

Nothing’s for certain, but we’re starting to think Jaime doesn’t make it out of Game of Thrones alive.

^

GOD DAMN IT

(IM jumps up and down, slams the table, swipes all glasses unto the floor... CLING CLING CLING*)

GOD... DAMN IT

(Walks up to a wall, punches it a few times, parts of it crumbles*)

[Britaen]

I enjoy watching this tv series with many nud*s in every series

[The Valyria Empire]

Been reading more Fire & Blood. I like the new details about Jahaerys reign, I assumed most of his reign was easy, but there were a lot of issues he had to deal with.

Also I never expected

Rhaena to play such a huge role even after Jahaerys took the throne.

This book isn’t Winds of Winter but it’s holding me over, plus season 8 is coming up too.

I think Martin is waiting for the show to end before he releases Winds of Winter, because I bet he changed some stuff after what the show did. That way the books and the show will be different.

[Baltenstein]

From a gossip site:

...But there’s some potentially bad news, too. You see, this year, Coster-Waldau was involved in a workplace-related arbitration dispute. At the bottom of the arbitration judge’s ruling, there’s an itemized list of all the income Coster-Waldau has made in the recent past. There are two big takeaways from it: 1) Coster-Waldau is doing just fine, and; 2) He’s only listed as having made money off four episodes of Game of Thrones season 8. Does this mean that Jaime only appears in four out of the coming six episodes? And if not in the remaining two, why not? Might Jaime die in this giant battle?

Nothing’s for certain, but we’re starting to think Jaime doesn’t make it out of Game of Thrones alive.

^

GOD DAMN IT

(IM jumps up and down, slams the table, swipes all glasses unto the floor... CLING CLING CLING*)

GOD... DAMN IT

(Walks up to a wall, punches it a few times, parts of it crumbles*)

I'm imagining some sort of murder-suicide with Jamie and Cersei, to be honest.
And it will take place BEFORE the final confrontation between the Night King and the "Three-Headed-Dragon" (read: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion, who btw will be revealed to be the Mad King's bastard son with Tywin's wife and therefore also a Targaryen.)

[Infected Mushroom]

From a gossip site:

^

GOD DAMN IT

(IM jumps up and down, slams the table, swipes all glasses unto the floor... CLING CLING CLING*)

GOD... DAMN IT

(Walks up to a wall, punches it a few times, parts of it crumbles*)

I'm imagining some sort of murder-suicide with Jamie and Cersei, to be honest.
And it will take place BEFORE the final confrontation between the Night King and the "Three-Headed-Dragon" (read: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion, who btw will be revealed to be the Mad King's bastard son with Tywin's wife and therefore also a Targaryen.)

this is really really unfortunate

I'm going to be very sad because I really wanted one of them to be on the throne at the end

[The Huskar Social Union]

From a gossip site:

^

GOD DAMN IT

(IM jumps up and down, slams the table, swipes all glasses unto the floor... CLING CLING CLING*)

GOD... DAMN IT

(Walks up to a wall, punches it a few times, parts of it crumbles*)

I'm imagining some sort of murder-suicide with Jamie and Cersei, to be honest.
And it will take place BEFORE the final confrontation between the Night King and the "Three-Headed-Dragon" (read: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion, who btw will be revealed to be the Mad King's bastard son with Tywin's wife and therefore also a Targaryen.)

If Cersei dies, yay she is a cunt.

Dont want Jaime to die though, want him and Tyrion to survive.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I'm imagining some sort of murder-suicide with Jamie and Cersei, to be honest.
And it will take place BEFORE the final confrontation between the Night King and the "Three-Headed-Dragon" (read: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion, who btw will be revealed to be the Mad King's bastard son with Tywin's wife and therefore also a Targaryen.)

If Cersei dies, yay she is a cunt.

Dont want Jaime to die though, want him and Tyrion to survive.

I think Cersei's death--or downfall--pretty much has to happen if it's going to follow this general through-line of "ruthlessness gets immediate results but is a bad long-term strategy".

Jaime could go either way. I reckon Tyrion's safe.

[The Valyria Empire]

From a gossip site:

^

GOD DAMN IT

(IM jumps up and down, slams the table, swipes all glasses unto the floor... CLING CLING CLING*)

GOD... DAMN IT

(Walks up to a wall, punches it a few times, parts of it crumbles*)

I'm imagining some sort of murder-suicide with Jamie and Cersei, to be honest.
And it will take place BEFORE the final confrontation between the Night King and the "Three-Headed-Dragon" (read: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion, who btw will be revealed to be the Mad King's bastard son with Tywin's wife and therefore also a Targaryen.)

If Tyrion turns out to be a Targaryen bastard I’m gonna flip.

On the topic of Jaime, I can see him dying but I can also see him surviving but being exiled due to Tyrion calling in a favor with Dany.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Game of Thrones prequel cast announcement

[Baltenstein]

The first snippet from Season 8:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXdU3af4-xc

Thanks a lot, Jon.

Seriously, the Northeners seem to have a talent for picking leaders who are comically bad at ensuring the North's independece. First they rally behind a KINGINDANORF who gets himself and his followers killed by virtue of not understanding familiy and power politics, then they submit to a treacherous house that treats the rest of the North as its personal torture dungeon, when that house gets defeated they rally behind the shining hero as new KINGINDANORF...who then promptly goes on and hands over the North to his new girlfriend.
Maybe they really should stop bothering with this whole "independece" thing - their leaders are clearly not up to it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The first snippet from Season 8:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXdU3af4-xc

Thanks a lot, Jon.

Seriously, the Northeners seem to have a talent for picking leaders who are comically bad at ensuring the North's independece. First they rally behind a KINGINDANORF who gets himself and his followers killed by virtue of not understanding familiy and power politics, then they submit to a treacherous house that treats the rest of the North as its personal torture dungeon, when that house gets defeated they rally behind the shining hero as new KINGINDANORF...who then promptly goes on and hands over the North to his new girlfriend.
Maybe they really should stop bothering with this whole "independece" thing - their leaders are clearly not up to it.

"The King has returned! THE KING OF THE NO-
"Hey guys here is this hot dragon chick, we fucked and uh... i pledged the knee" *Sick Dab*
"..... So we executing house stark then?"