ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Infected Mushroom]

The idea is to execute enough commoners/populists until the rest bend the knee and get back into the fold... not to start a peasant genocide. Use tactics of force and fear until the traitors are rooted out.

It's a very dangerous game to think that other people will simply yield if you just kill their leaders and terrorize them enough. Joffrey thought he could intimidate the Northerners by beheading Ned Stark. The results? The whole North marched against him. (Luckily Tyrion and Cersei could stop him from killing Sansa or else Jamie would have been sent back to King's Landing in little pieces). Right now, Roose is trying to convice Ramsay that murdering your subjects left and right is not the best idea if you want to stay ruler.

But if your enemy won't back down, there's no other route. If there's got to be a fight, start it before they are prepared.

[Infected Mushroom]

You know, I really hate the dragons, and their use in fantasy. In ASoIaF, and in most fantasy in general, they're just sort of ridiculously powerful forces of nature that no one can realistically destroy and crush everyone in their path.

It's sort of like a giant 'I win' button for whoever has them.

Me too.

[Napkiraly]

You know, I really hate the dragons, and their use in fantasy. In ASoIaF, and in most fantasy in general, they're just sort of ridiculously powerful forces of nature that no one can realistically destroy and crush everyone in their path.

It's sort of like a giant 'I win' button for whoever has them.

To be fair, this is reflected rather well where the death of the dragons makes the Targs far more vulnerable and before that what helps contribute to the collapse of the Valyarian Freehold.

[Napkiraly]

It's a very dangerous game to think that other people will simply yield if you just kill their leaders and terrorize them enough. Joffrey thought he could intimidate the Northerners by beheading Ned Stark. The results? The whole North marched against him. (Luckily Tyrion and Cersei could stop him from killing Sansa or else Jamie would have been sent back to King's Landing in little pieces). Right now, Roose is trying to convice Ramsay that murdering your subjects left and right is not the best idea if you want to stay ruler.

But if your enemy won't back down, there's no other route. If there's got to be a fight, start it before they are prepared.

Except this is not one they can fight. As has been mentioned, the High Sparrow and his movement is very popular throughout the Seven Kingdoms. It's one reason by the Lannisters and Tyrell's are so pissed at having to give into his demands, because they know that the alternative is far more dangerous for them.

[Baltenstein]

It's a very dangerous game to think that other people will simply yield if you just kill their leaders and terrorize them enough. Joffrey thought he could intimidate the Northerners by beheading Ned Stark. The results? The whole North marched against him. (Luckily Tyrion and Cersei could stop him from killing Sansa or else Jamie would have been sent back to King's Landing in little pieces). Right now, Roose is trying to convice Ramsay that murdering your subjects left and right is not the best idea if you want to stay ruler.

But if your enemy won't back down, there's no other route. If there's got to be a fight, start it before they are prepared.

You seem convinced that if only the king would strike at the Faith Militant hard enough, the popular force they represent would go away. The last time a (Targaryen) ruler tried that, it exploded into a civil war which went on for years and only ended when the next king negotiated a compromise between the Faith and the Crown.

[Napkiraly]

But if your enemy won't back down, there's no other route. If there's got to be a fight, start it before they are prepared.

You seem convinced that if only the king would strike at the Faith Militant hard enough, the popular force they represent would go away. The last time a (Targaryen) ruler tried that, it exploded into a civil war which went on for years and only ended when the next king negotiated a compromise between the Faith and the Crown.

And they had dragons, full stacks of troops, and the smallfolk were rather divided on whom to support since piety of the people and lords was more divided. The War of the Five Kings and the atrocities that occurred during it have created an new zealous piety among many.

[The Jonathanian States]

You know, I really hate the dragons, and their use in fantasy. In ASoIaF, and in most fantasy in general, they're just sort of ridiculously powerful forces of nature that no one can realistically destroy and crush everyone in their path.

It's sort of like a giant 'I win' button for whoever has them.

Yes, it definitely was a giant "I win" button for Daenerys.... indeed... EDIT: /s. I feel I had to point that out. /EDIT
For the Targs in general, yes it was, but they also paid the price for relying on them.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If there's one thing I've learned as a warlordsellsword here in Westeros, it's that there's never a problem you can't solve with brute force. Not working? You're very clearly not using enough brute force.

-'Immortal' Ulysses Roussell, Head of the War Boys sellsword company

[Napkiraly]

If there's one thing I've learned as a warlordsellsword here in Westeros, it's that there's never a problem you can't solve with brute force. Not working? You're very clearly not using enough brute force.

-'Immortal' Ulysses Roussell, Head of the War Boys sellsword company

Yes well this isn't Mad Max.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If there's one thing I've learned as a warlordsellsword here in Westeros, it's that there's never a problem you can't solve with brute force. Not working? You're very clearly not using enough brute force.

-'Immortal' Ulysses Roussell, Head of the War Boys sellsword company

Yes well this isn't Mad Max.

Hush you.

[Seraven]

You know, I really hate the dragons, and their use in fantasy. In ASoIaF, and in most fantasy in general, they're just sort of ridiculously powerful forces of nature that no one can realistically destroy and crush everyone in their path.

It's sort of like a giant 'I win' button for whoever has them.

Thankfully no one in King's Landing owns them at the moment.

[Napkiraly]

You know, I really hate the dragons, and their use in fantasy. In ASoIaF, and in most fantasy in general, they're just sort of ridiculously powerful forces of nature that no one can realistically destroy and crush everyone in their path.

It's sort of like a giant 'I win' button for whoever has them.

Thankfully no one in King's Landing owns them at the moment.

Yet.

[Infected Mushroom]

But if your enemy won't back down, there's no other route. If there's got to be a fight, start it before they are prepared.

Except this is not one they can fight. As has been mentioned, the High Sparrow and his movement is very popular throughout the Seven Kingdoms. It's one reason by the Lannisters and Tyrell's are so pissed at having to give into his demands, because they know that the alternative is far more dangerous for them.

No way man. If Tywin had been in power, he would have crushed the movement from the start and it would have scattered. There is no such thing as ''too popular.'' If you have superior military firepower, armour, cavalry, and weapons and you show a willingness to find and execute the movement leaders, they'll scatter and surrender. It worked for Tywin.

[Infected Mushroom]

But if your enemy won't back down, there's no other route. If there's got to be a fight, start it before they are prepared.

You seem convinced that if only the king would strike at the Faith Militant hard enough, the popular force they represent would go away. The last time a (Targaryen) ruler tried that, it exploded into a civil war which went on for years and only ended when the next king negotiated a compromise between the Faith and the Crown.

Except that the last time the Crown had to compromise, the Faith had been around for a long time, it was a powerful armed pillar. Cersei only recently re-armed the Faith Militant, which means it only has limited legitimacy and power. Its not too late to reverse that. The Faith doesn't represent the thousand year old uninterrupted power base that the nobility represents. And right now, the nobility has the trained army, the armour, the soldiers and the cavalry.

[Napkiraly]

Except this is not one they can fight. As has been mentioned, the High Sparrow and his movement is very popular throughout the Seven Kingdoms. It's one reason by the Lannisters and Tyrell's are so pissed at having to give into his demands, because they know that the alternative is far more dangerous for them.

No way man. If Tywin had been in power, he would have crushed the movement from the start and it would have scattered. There is no such thing as ''too popular.'' If you have superior military firepower, armour, cavalry, and weapons and you show a willingness to find and execute the movement leaders, they'll scatter and surrender. It worked for Tywin.

Maybe if Tywin was in power, and partially due to the god damn dread he instills in people. The Mountain is afraid to mess with him. However he isn't around, and that's the thing. He isn't around, the Seven Kingdoms is in tatters, and the Faith currently holds the brownie points in the eyes of the smallfolk and a number of minor nobility.

[Landenburg]

No way man. If Tywin had been in power, he would have crushed the movement from the start and it would have scattered. There is no such thing as ''too popular.'' If you have superior military firepower, armour, cavalry, and weapons and you show a willingness to find and execute the movement leaders, they'll scatter and surrender. It worked for Tywin.

Maybe if Tywin was in power, and partially due to the god damn dread he instills in people. The Mountain is afraid to mess with him. However he isn't around, and that's the thing. He isn't around, the Seven Kingdoms is in tatters, and the Faith currently holds the brownie points in the eyes of the smallfolk and a number of minor nobility.

Looks like Westeros is about to be hit by another Aegon the Conqueror.

[Arlye Austros]

is there any projected/active RP about the Dance of Dragons? Kinda want to see stuff burn.

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Next week on Game of Thrones, Tommen stops being a pussy.


No, for real.


I'm serious.


You guys, really!


Hah. No.

I'm wondering what the hell people are expecting Tommen to be even doing.

The thing about Cersei and Jaime doing that brother-sister incest is that their elder son was born without a heart and their younger son was born without a spine.

Cersei manipulates the fuck out of Tommen but with her in danger and no longer counseling him he has no excuse not to act.

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Maybe if Tywin was in power, and partially due to the god damn dread he instills in people. The Mountain is afraid to mess with him. However he isn't around, and that's the thing. He isn't around, the Seven Kingdoms is in tatters, and the Faith currently holds the brownie points in the eyes of the smallfolk and a number of minor nobility.

Looks like Westeros is about to be hit by another Aegon the Conqueror.

I think the Faith will endorse any Targ claimant at this point. They probably see Tommen as a bastard but let him reign only because a bastard is preferable to a servant of a red demon.

[Landenburg]

Looks like Westeros is about to be hit by another Aegon the Conqueror.

I think the Faith will endorse any Targ claimant at this point. They probably see Tommen as a bastard but let him reign only because a bastard is preferable to a servant of a red demon.

The Faith has had a bad history with Targaryens.

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I think the Faith will endorse any Targ claimant at this point. They probably see Tommen as a bastard but let him reign only because a bastard is preferable to a servant of a red demon.

The Faith has had a bad history with Targaryens.

But they originally endorsed Aegon and that was the pillar of his reign.

Tommen being a pathetic king is his only redeeming quality. His mother was his balls and by the end of Dance with Dragons he is effectively neutered.

[Landenburg]

The Faith has had a bad history with Targaryens.

But they originally endorsed Aegon and that was the pillar of his reign.

Tommen being a pathetic king is his only redeeming quality. His mother was his balls and by the end of Dance with Dragons he is effectively neutered.

And then they fought his heir.

And Tommen is but they could be fearful for another Aerys.

[Napkiraly]

I'm wondering what the hell people are expecting Tommen to be even doing.

The thing about Cersei and Jaime doing that brother-sister incest is that their elder son was born without a heart and their younger son was born without a spine.

Cersei manipulates the fuck out of Tommen but with her in danger and no longer counseling him he has no excuse not to act.

Apart from the fact that she's been arrested by one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, faction in the Seven Kingdom. Who are seen in a very positive light. With Tommers coming off the coat trails of his psycho brother who did nothing but make people hate the Iron Throne.

[Lunas Legion]

But they originally endorsed Aegon and that was the pillar of his reign.

Tommen being a pathetic king is his only redeeming quality. His mother was his balls and by the end of Dance with Dragons he is effectively neutered.

And then they fought his heir.

And Tommen is but they could be fearful for another Aerys.

They fought his heir because incest. Maegor and Jacaerys sorted out nearly all the issues between the Targs and Faith through their own methods.

[Landenburg]

And then they fought his heir.

And Tommen is but they could be fearful for another Aerys.

They fought his heir because incest. Maegor and Jacaerys sorted out nearly all the issues between the Targs and Faith through their own methods.

While that is true, it doesn't stop them from not wanting another Aerys.

As they say, the gods flip the coin on what kind of person a Targaryen is.