ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Napkiraly]

He's already being rather just. While the

High Sparrow and the Faith Militant

are assholes, they do have the legal right to be doing what they are doing. And technically speaking

Margaery and Loras are guilty of the crimes they are accused of

.

Is it possible for the High Sparrow and the Faith Militant to support Tommen when Cersei, Loras, and Margaery are in prison?

I don't see why not. They are not his crimes and as far as they're concerned he didn't know about them. Of course things would turn interesting if they discover his true parentage...

[Seraven]

Is it possible for the High Sparrow and the Faith Militant to support Tommen when Cersei, Loras, and Margaery are in prison?

I don't see why not. They are not his crimes and as far as they're concerned he didn't know about them. Of course things would turn interesting if they discover his true parentage...

Right, son of Jaime and Cersei. However, if the don't know or cannot discover his parentage, then surely Tommen will gains a strong supporters.

[Napkiraly]

I don't see why not. They are not his crimes and as far as they're concerned he didn't know about them. Of course things would turn interesting if they discover his true parentage...

Right, son of Jaime and Cersei. However, if the don't know or cannot discover his parentage, then surely Tommen will gains a strong supporters.

Well they'll support his so much as they believe he's the rightful King, but will hold him the same standard they do everyone else. Basically they'll become the second most powerful (or even most powerful) entity in Westeros just as they were before the Faith Militant was crushed.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

[Meryuma]

Last episode did some good work towards salvaging a couple of the plotlines I was the most frustrated about (Winterfell and King's Landing). The Sparrows are starting to really feel like who they were in Feast for Crows. There were some nice nods to the book readers and the episode really felt like classic Game of Thrones. The Gilly scene kinda bothered me though; having a woman be threatened with rape until a dude (or wolf?) saves her at the last minute and then her banging him immediately after out of gratitude is playing sexist chivalry tropes a little too straight for me. Nonetheless it was great overall and the last two scenes were truly awesome, maybe surpassing the books in some aspects (though I'd say AFFC and ADWD are still better than season 5 so far overall).

Damn, I'd really like the High Sparrow alot more if he wasn't such a religious zealot.

That's the point, he's supposed to be morally grey.

They're totally gonna hook up. Bronn deserves a banging hot Dornish wife after all the shit he's been through.

I approve of this.

Has he really been through shit though? Compared to the other GoT characters, his life has been pretty awesome so far.

The best-off, tbh. I would call him a self-made man but he's a Tyrion-made man if anything...

[Napkiraly]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

The High Sparrow has imprisoned his wife, his brother-in-law, and his mother. If he does nothing he looks even weaker and more pathetic, and every day risks shattering the Tyrell-Lannister alliance. And if that happens he won't be king for long.

[Infected Mushroom]

Tommen is one of the most useless king in all of history.

Also, how much did Cersei pay the Kingsguard not to stop the Faith Militant from grabbing the Queen at the trial?

[Infected Mushroom]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

The common people would be crushed. They don't even have armour; the Faith Militant fight in plain clothes (at least as portrayed in the show). The Tyrell calvary, Lannister soldiers, and the Gold Cloaks would crush them.

Faith Militant be damned.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

The common people would be crushed. They don't even have armour; the Faith Militant fight in plain clothes (at least as portrayed in the show). The Tyrell calvary, Lannister soldiers, and the Gold Cloaks would crush them.

Faith Militant be damned.

I think that the show is going to have the Tyrell-Lannister alliance collapse, which leaves poor old Tommen high and dry as far as support goes. Pretty much guarantees Stannis the throne, too, so long as he can overcome the Boltons.

[Infected Mushroom]

The common people would be crushed. They don't even have armour; the Faith Militant fight in plain clothes (at least as portrayed in the show). The Tyrell calvary, Lannister soldiers, and the Gold Cloaks would crush them.

Faith Militant be damned.

I think that the show is going to have the Tyrell-Lannister alliance collapse, which leaves poor old Tommen high and dry as far as support goes. Pretty much guarantees Stannis the throne, too, so long as he can overcome the Boltons.

The Boltons are the most annoying characters on the show right now. I want Joffrey back, just get rid of the Boltons.

[Vozt Yurkova]

The High Sparrow has imprisoned his wife, his brother-in-law, and his mother. If he does nothing he looks even weaker and more pathetic, and every day risks shattering the Tyrell-Lannister alliance. And if that happens he won't be king for long.

He won't be king for long anyway. Stannis is coming. Also winter.

[Baltenstein]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

He'd risk civil war if he did that.

While I love Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow, the Sparrows overall could have been done better. In the books, there is more empashis that they started as a social rights movement and rose in popularity because the commoners had started to become seriously angry about always having to endure horrible wars brought upon them by the nobility's shenanigans. In the show they got very little build-up before turning into stereotypical evil cultists going around and terrorizing people. You don't get the impression that those guys are actually the most popular faction in King's Landing right now.

[The Nuclear Fist]

The High Sparrow has imprisoned his wife, his brother-in-law, and his mother. If he does nothing he looks even weaker and more pathetic, and every day risks shattering the Tyrell-Lannister alliance. And if that happens he won't be king for long.

He won't be king for long anyway. Stannis is coming. Also winter.

Unless Stannis gets very lucky, it'd be realistic to expect half his army to freeze to death, starve, or desert before it gets all the way to King's Landing. He'll need to keep the momentum, and that means gaining more allies and their armies as he moves south.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

He'd risk civil war if he did that.

He'll have no army to fight the current war if he doesn't get his wife and brother-in-law back soon, since the Tyrells will almost certainly break their pact with the Lannisters.

[Infected Mushroom]

Personally, I think that Tommen should do something right for once and put the High Sparrow and everyone who defends him to the sword. And then put their heads on spikes. And leave their impaled corpses to the crows.

He'd risk civil war if he did that.

While I love Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow, the Sparrows overall could have been done better. In the books, there is more empashis that they started as a social rights movement and rose in popularity because the commoners had started to become seriously angry about always having to endure horrible wars brought upon them by the nobility's shenanigans. In the show they got very little build-up before turning into stereotypical evil cultists going around and terrorizing people. You don't get the impression that those guys are actually the most popular faction in King's Landing right now.

I think he has to do it though. The Sparrow is out of control, civil war is inevitable and you don't want him to grab too many nobles.

If there's got to be a war, better sooner (before the commoners and the Sparrows are organised). Right now the nobles have the armies, the armour, the gold, and the swords. The Sparrows' people don't look like they are very well-armed.

Also, they are a relatively new rallying point. If you march a grand army up to the Sept and kill/capture most of their leaders whatever is left should scatter and panic. The Nobles have ruled the lands for thousands of years.

[Baltenstein]

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

The common people would be crushed. They don't even have armour; the Faith Militant fight in plain clothes (at least as portrayed in the show). The Tyrell calvary, Lannister soldiers, and the Gold Cloaks would crush them.

Faith Militant be damned.

And after crushing the common people, then what? Are the Gold Cloaks and the nobles going to plough the fields, work in the forgeries, feed the cows and sheep? Westeros has recently been through a disastrous war, they're trying to restore things right now.

[Infected Mushroom]

He won't be king for long anyway. Stannis is coming. Also winter.

Unless Stannis gets very lucky, it'd be realistic to expect half his army to freeze to death, starve, or desert before it gets all the way to King's Landing. He'll need to keep the momentum, and that means gaining more allies and their armies as he moves south.

I want him to get rid of the god-damned Boltons. If Stannis goes down because of Bolton, I'm going to be upset.

[Infected Mushroom]

The common people would be crushed. They don't even have armour; the Faith Militant fight in plain clothes (at least as portrayed in the show). The Tyrell calvary, Lannister soldiers, and the Gold Cloaks would crush them.

Faith Militant be damned.

And after crushing the common people, then what? Are the Gold Cloaks and the nobles going to plough the fields, work in the forgeries, feed the cows and sheep? Westeros has recently been through a disastrous war, they're trying to restore things right now.

The idea is to execute enough commoners/populists until the rest bend the knee and get back into the fold... not to start a peasant genocide. Use tactics of force and fear until the traitors are rooted out.

[Baltenstein]

He'd risk civil war if he did that.

He'll have no army to fight the current war if he doesn't get his wife and brother-in-law back soon, since the Tyrells will almost certainly break their pact with the Lannisters.

Actually, Tommen should start thinking about going into hiding himself right now, if the Sparrows get the truth about his parentage out of Cersei, he's toast.

[Napkiraly]

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

The High Sparrow has imprisoned his wife, his brother-in-law, and his mother. If he does nothing he looks even weaker and more pathetic, and every day risks shattering the Tyrell-Lannister alliance. And if that happens he won't be king for long.

Not to the eyes of the small folk who just went through an arbitrary, stupid, cruel king who felt like he could do whatever he wanted. They have been formally charged with crimes, and considering High Sparrow's reputation, most people are going to believe they have some basis to them.
While Cersei is to blame for allowing the Sparrows to gain power, it has become clear to her and Olenna that these religious fanatics are beyond their control. Hence why Olenna, while obviously majorly pissed off at Cersei will a) realize who is the bigger danger (especially considering Cersei's arrest) b) What are they gonna do? Kill Tommen and destroy their chance at the throne? Have Stannis Baratheon become the King then considering he's next in line if Tommers kicks the bucket?
Really he's stuck between a rock and a rock that are slowly pushing inwards towards on another. But he cannot afford a civil war.

[Napkiraly]

Which would cause nothing short of a massive shit storm for Tommen who would then be compared to his much despised older brother. The smallfolk are really, really pissed over the War of the Five Kings hence why so many are following High Sparrow. To boot, High Sparrow has also got the support of a fair number of knights and minor lords. Tommen cannot afford a civil war which is exactly what putting High Sparrow to the sword would do.

The common people would be crushed. They don't even have armour; the Faith Militant fight in plain clothes (at least as portrayed in the show). The Tyrell calvary, Lannister soldiers, and the Gold Cloaks would crush them.

Faith Militant be damned.

The Faith Militant have knights and minor lords swearing to them. Many veterans of the war as well. Top that up with religious fanaticism. There is a reason why it was so hard to take down the Faith Militant the first time even with the assistance of dragons like the Black Dread.

[Napkiraly]

And after crushing the common people, then what? Are the Gold Cloaks and the nobles going to plough the fields, work in the forgeries, feed the cows and sheep? Westeros has recently been through a disastrous war, they're trying to restore things right now.

The idea is to execute enough commoners/populists until the rest bend the knee and get back into the fold... not to start a peasant genocide. Use tactics of force and fear until the traitors are rooted out.

Right and that's not going to work. Why? Because that's how bloody popular High Sparrow is, killing him would piss off the common folk who are already pissed beyond belief. "Oh just crush them for the billionth time" said the dictator who forgot to realize that there is a breaking point beyond return.

[Baltenstein]

And after crushing the common people, then what? Are the Gold Cloaks and the nobles going to plough the fields, work in the forgeries, feed the cows and sheep? Westeros has recently been through a disastrous war, they're trying to restore things right now.

The idea is to execute enough commoners/populists until the rest bend the knee and get back into the fold... not to start a peasant genocide. Use tactics of force and fear until the traitors are rooted out.

It's a very dangerous game to think that other people will simply yield if you just kill their leaders and terrorize them enough. Joffrey thought he could intimidate the Northerners by beheading Ned Stark. The results? The whole North marched against him. (Luckily Tyrion and Cersei could stop him from killing Sansa or else Jamie would have been sent back to King's Landing in little pieces). Right now, Roose is trying to convice Ramsay that murdering your subjects left and right is not the best idea if you want to stay ruler.

[The Nuclear Fist]

You know, I really hate the dragons, and their use in fantasy. In ASoIaF, and in most fantasy in general, they're just sort of ridiculously powerful forces of nature that no one can realistically destroy and crush everyone in their path.

It's sort of like a giant 'I win' button for whoever has them.