ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[The Huskar Social Union]

Nothing, he's dead.

But he doesn't want to be dead!

Well unless someone in westeros creates a time travel device and travels to the red wedding with a machine gun he is going to remain dead.

Just imagine how random and epic that would be though... so many dead freys... glorious.

[Diopolis]

But he doesn't want to be dead!

Well unless someone in westeros creates a time travel device and travels to the red wedding with a machine gun he is going to remain dead.

Just imagine how random and epic that would be though... so many dead freys... glorious.

Of course it will happen, when Melisandre becomes convinced that Littlefinger is the Azor Ahai instead of Stannis. *nods*
Of course, Robb's survival will only be a side effect of him rescuing Catelyn.

[Rich and Corporations]

I meant out of the Five Kings.

Well to be fair, and I can't believe I'm defending Joffrey, he does actually think the throne is legitimately his. Not that he'd deserve it anyway.

Pretty sure he knows Jaime is his father and doesn't care.

[Eaglleia]

Well to be fair, and I can't believe I'm defending Joffrey, he does actually think the throne is legitimately his. Not that he'd deserve it anyway.

Pretty sure he knows Jaime is his father and doesn't care.

Not at first.

[New Frenco Empire]

Well to be fair, and I can't believe I'm defending Joffrey, he does actually think the throne is legitimately his. Not that he'd deserve it anyway.

Pretty sure he knows Jaime is his father and doesn't care.

That isn't the case at all. Despite all of it, one of the few things Joffrey ever wanted was to please his father. He was also one of the few people he ever admired, as his conversation with Tywin suggested.

[Rich and Corporations]

Pretty sure he knows Jaime is his father and doesn't care.

That isn't the case at all. Despite all of it, one of the few things Joffrey ever wanted was to please his father. He was also one of the few people he ever admired, as his conversation with Tywin suggested.

We talking book or TV show?

[New Frenco Empire]

That isn't the case at all. Despite all of it, one of the few things Joffrey ever wanted was to please his father. He was also one of the few people he ever admired, as his conversation with Tywin suggested.

We talking book or TV show?

Both.

[The Jonathanian States]

Pretty sure he knows Jaime is his father and doesn't care.

That isn't the case at all. Despite all of it, one of the few things Joffrey ever wanted was to please his father. He was also one of the few people he ever admired, as his conversation with Tywin suggested.

Yep. I'll never be the last one to attack Joffrey, but he was convinced of his Baratheonhood and of his claim to the throne.

Well unless someone in westeros creates a time travel device and travels to the red wedding with a machine gun he is going to remain dead.

Just imagine how random and epic that would be though... so many dead freys... glorious.

Of course it will happen, when Melisandre becomes convinced that Littlefinger is the Azor Ahai instead of Stannis. *nods*
Of course, Robb's survival will only be a side effect of him rescuing Catelyn.

Oh, that'd be nice. Littlefinger having contacts in time and space turning back the RW.

But he doesn't want to be dead!

Well unless someone in westeros creates a time travel device and travels to the red wedding with a machine gun he is going to remain dead.

Just imagine how random and epic that would be though... so many dead freys... glorious.

I'd pay to see that happen. Through some force of the Old Gods (Old Gods = Best Gods) the whole Butchery of the RW is removed and all who died re-appear on the east/north bank of the (Red?) Fork.
It'd be gloriously epic.

[Socialist Czechia]

I hope GRRM will try to explain Drowned God/Storm God religion origin. From book it doesn't sounds like something they made on Iron Islands, it seems more like true religion of First Men before they replaced it by Old Gods worshipped by Children of the Forest - fits for so isolated stubborn people, which even assimilated Andal invaders soon.
Perhaps all First Men previously worshipped R'hllor (there is same dualism between 'good' god who gave land to the people and 'evil' god who fights second one), and ironmen simply changed some 'details' to fit it better into their raiding lives (conflict Fire x Ice replaced by Sea x Sky).

[Diopolis]

I hope GRRM will try to explain Drowned God/Storm God religion origin. From book it doesn't sounds like something they made on Iron Islands, it seems more like true religion of First Men before they replaced it by Old Gods worshipped by Children of the Forest - fits for so isolated stubborn people, which even assimilated Andal invaders soon.
Perhaps all First Men previously worshipped R'hllor (there is same dualism between 'good' god who gave land to the people and 'evil' god who fights second one), and ironmen simply changed some 'details' to fit it better into their raiding lives (conflict Fire x Ice replaced by Sea x Sky).

When Davos is in the sistertons, the few snatches of their religion we see seem to suggest a common origin with the faith of the drowned god. That, and the fact that the sistertons are explicitly described as still being first men- much as the ironmen are described as preserving the first men culture- would seem to suggest it being a development of the original faith of the first men.

I'd never thought of the R'hllor similarities angle, but the more I do the more sense it makes. Both involve

human sacrifice

as a regular part of worship, which seems rare for A Song of Ice and Fire religions.

So does the faith on the sistertons.

[Meryuma]

The problem in the "theocratic despot" reasoning in this case is: Stannis's fire god is real, very, very real. Not to mention, Stannis is the only one who's not in the Game for the power; he genuinely wants to "save the realm"; that's why he's

temporarily withdrawn himself from the war to fight the White Walkers

.

My argument isn't about whether the god is real, it's about whether his priests would be good for Westeros. They wouldn't. Besides, while R'hllor(?) does grant miracles, we don't know where the real miracles end and the false ones begin, not to mention the conflicting interpretations of his teachings (there was definite tension between Stannis/Melisandre and the Band without Banners).

[United Marxist Nations]

The problem in the "theocratic despot" reasoning in this case is: Stannis's fire god is real, very, very real. Not to mention, Stannis is the only one who's not in the Game for the power; he genuinely wants to "save the realm"; that's why he's

temporarily withdrawn himself from the war to fight the White Walkers

.

My argument isn't about whether the god is real, it's about whether his priests would be good for Westeros. They wouldn't. Besides, while R'hllor(?) does grant miracles, we don't know where the real miracles end and the false ones begin, not to mention the conflicting interpretations of his teachings (there was definite tension between Stannis/Melisandre and the Band without Banners).

They can tell death itself to fuck off

, so that would be a plus on the priests issue; plus, we do know that one of the real miracles is

bringing back the dead.

[Meryuma]

My argument isn't about whether the god is real, it's about whether his priests would be good for Westeros. They wouldn't. Besides, while R'hllor(?) does grant miracles, we don't know where the real miracles end and the false ones begin, not to mention the conflicting interpretations of his teachings (there was definite tension between Stannis/Melisandre and the Band without Banners).

They can tell death itself to fuck off

, so that would be a plus on the priests issue; plus, we do know that one of the real miracles is

bringing back the dead.

Can Melisandre and her lackeys

bring back the dead

, though? We only see it from the Band without Banners, who (again) Stannis' forces were suspicious of.

[Eaglleia]

They can tell death itself to fuck off

, so that would be a plus on the priests issue; plus, we do know that one of the real miracles is

bringing back the dead.

Can Melisandre and her lackeys

bring back the dead

, though? We only see it from the Band without Banners, who (again) Stannis' forces were suspicious of.

It seems to be something of the Red Priests, given that Thoros does it and claims it to be an act of R'hllor, so I'd assume that she can.

[Charellia]

They can tell death itself to fuck off

, so that would be a plus on the priests issue; plus, we do know that one of the real miracles is

bringing back the dead.

Can Melisandre and her lackeys

bring back the dead

, though? We only see it from the Band without Banners, who (again) Stannis' forces were suspicious of.

I think we will need to see Winds of Winter before that question can be answered

[The Jonathanian States]

Can Melisandre and her lackeys

bring back the dead

, though? We only see it from the Band without Banners, who (again) Stannis' forces were suspicious of.

It seems to be something of the Red Priests, given that Thoros does it and claims it to be an act of R'hllor, so I'd assume that she can.

Somewhere I saw that R'hllor's priest each focus on different things, with Thoros being in the "School" of Death and that kinda stuff, while Melisandre, well, isn't. Though I don't know how stable that claim is.

[United Marxist Nations]

They can tell death itself to fuck off

, so that would be a plus on the priests issue; plus, we do know that one of the real miracles is

bringing back the dead.

Can Melisandre and her lackeys

bring back the dead

, though? We only see it from the Band without Banners, who (again) Stannis' forces were suspicious of.

She can bring shadows into the world, which seems to be an even more powerful act; so I'd assume she can.

[Haydn]

[The Huskar Social Union]

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Its a really catchy tune, i really liked the scene with the Bolton soldiers singing it in Season 3, it was a really good performance even though we did not hear all of it.

[Haydn]

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Its a really catchy tune, i really liked the scene with the Bolton soldiers singing it in Season 3, it was a really good performance even though we did not hear all of it.

Also the version that plays at weddings is cool.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its a really catchy tune, i really liked the scene with the Bolton soldiers singing it in Season 3, it was a really good performance even though we did not hear all of it.

Also the version that plays at weddings is cool.

Was there a wedding version in the show? i dont remember hearing it.

[Charellia]

Also the version that plays at weddings is cool.

Was there a wedding version in the show? i dont remember hearing it.

It plays in the background in Season 4 Episode 2

[The Huskar Social Union]

Was there a wedding version in the show? i dont remember hearing it.

It plays in the background in Season 4 Episode 2

Ah right, ill have to try and find it one day and have a listen.

[Haydn]

It plays in the background in Season 4 Episode 2

Ah right, ill have to try and find it one day and have a listen.

The Red Wedding (EP 9 S3) right after Robb decides to bed Edmure and Roslin. Here: http://youtu.be/h1a7bwwAtao?t=5m57s

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ah right, ill have to try and find it one day and have a listen.

The Red Wedding (EP 9 S3) right after Robb decides to bed Edmure and Roslin. Here: http://youtu.be/h1a7bwwAtao?t=5m57s

Oh that one, yeah its a pretty good version as well.