ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[The Jonathanian States]

To everyone stating the contrary, military strategy doesn't just consist of moving troops into battle effectively. There's intelligence and psychology involved. In a modern setting, the cyber-warfare officer probably has as much value as the field colonel. Tywin, Aegon, etc. mastered warfare by using this.

Of course it's not only troops. But things such as the Red Wedding, the alliance with the Reach via Margaery-Joffrey, and similar stunts cannot be considered military strategy.
And Aegon, I'll repeat. Pacifying might be inportant in conquests, but unless it was done by military campaigns can't be considered military strategy. That may be strategy in the broader sense, diplomacy, or intrigue. Or all of those. But not military strategy.

People who have read ADWD, what do you think happened to Jon Snow? Do you believe Melisandre will bring him back to life or what? I was just pondering over this today and want to see what people think.

While I wouldn't put it beyond GRRM to have killed off Jon, I doubt he's permanently dead.

[United Marxist Nations]

To everyone stating the contrary, military strategy doesn't just consist of moving troops into battle effectively. There's intelligence and psychology involved. In a modern setting, the cyber-warfare officer probably has as much value as the field colonel. Tywin, Aegon, etc. mastered warfare by using this.

Of course it's not only troops. But things such as the Red Wedding, the alliance with the Reach via Margaery-Joffrey, and similar stunts cannot be considered military strategy.
And Aegon, I'll repeat. Pacifying might be inportant in conquests, but unless it was done by military campaigns can't be considered military strategy. That may be strategy in the broader sense, diplomacy, or intrigue. Or all of those. But not military strategy.

People who have read ADWD, what do you think happened to Jon Snow? Do you believe Melisandre will bring him back to life or what? I was just pondering over this today and want to see what people think.

While I wouldn't put it beyond GRRM to have killed off Jon, I doubt he's permanently dead.

I need to quit reading these spoilers!

As much as I love Jon, watching the R+L=J people implode might be very satisfying.

[The Jonathanian States]

Of course it's not only troops. But things such as the Red Wedding, the alliance with the Reach via Margaery-Joffrey, and similar stunts cannot be considered military strategy.
And Aegon, I'll repeat. Pacifying might be inportant in conquests, but unless it was done by military campaigns can't be considered military strategy. That may be strategy in the broader sense, diplomacy, or intrigue. Or all of those. But not military strategy.

While I wouldn't put it beyond GRRM to have killed off Jon, I doubt he's permanently dead.

I need to quit reading these spoilers!

As much as I love Jon, watching the R+L=J people implode might be very satisfying.

Why?

I love Jon as well, though I'm unsure on R+L=J, I mean, GRRM did probably leave it open on purpose......

[United Marxist Nations]

I need to quit reading these spoilers!

As much as I love Jon, watching the R+L=J people implode might be very satisfying.

Why?

I love Jon as well, though I'm unsure on R+L=J, I mean, GRRM did probably leave it open on purpose......

Because I haven't read the books!

[The Jonathanian States]

Why?

I love Jon as well, though I'm unsure on R+L=J, I mean, GRRM did probably leave it open on purpose......

Because I haven't read the books!

That.... is totally reasonable. NOW GO READ THE BOOKS! They're awesome.

[Napkiraly]

Ah, GRRM. How awesome thoueth be.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ah, GRRM. How awesome thoueth be.

hehe, awesome.

[Meryuma]

Holy fuck, I just watched the whole series in 2 weeks and I'm rather obsessed (haven't read the books).

I love Tyrion, Arya, Daenarys, Bran and Oberyn. Daenarys is probably the best for the throne, though she's in a far greyer place than she started in and I don't support her as unreservedly as I once did. I hate Stannis. He's competent and pragmatic but he's also a fundamentalist dick and he killed

Renly

, who was one of the best candidates for the throne.

Out of all the major deaths,

Oberyn

and

Jojen

hit me the hardest. Season 4 also really left me wondering where Gendry went. I'm pretty curious where Theon's sordid arc will end too.

Viserys was pretty badass but we know what happened to him, Daenerys is chaotic.

I can't believe anyone actually preferred Viserys to Daenarys. Viserys was a pretentious, racist, misogynist bitch who basically treated his sister as a sex object whereas Daenarys is a warrior-queen who unites disparate cultures and fights against oppression (even if she does get in over her head). Daenarys is easily overwhelmed by the real demands of rulership and her decisions are at times quite brash but I feel like with a court of even-handed and rational advisors she would be a wonderful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms if her people would accept her. She could make great strides against the omnipresent corruption and oppression in Westeros, but she'd have to rein in her more impulsive tendencies and the strain of the Westerosi political climate could fuck her up.

[United Marxist Nations]

Holy fuck, I just watched the whole series in 2 weeks and I'm rather obsessed (haven't read the books).

I love Tyrion, Arya, Daenarys, Bran and Oberyn. Daenarys is probably the best for the throne, though she's in a far greyer place than she started in and I don't support her as unreservedly as I once did. I hate Stannis. He's competent and pragmatic but he's also a fundamentalist dick and he killed

Renly

, who was one of the best candidates for the throne.

Out of all the major deaths,

Oberyn

and

Jojen

hit me the hardest. Season 4 also really left me wondering where Gendry went. I'm pretty curious where Theon's sordid arc will end too.

Viserys was pretty badass but we know what happened to him, Daenerys is chaotic.

I can't believe anyone actually preferred Viserys to Daenarys. Viserys was a pretentious, racist, misogynist bitch who basically treated his sister as a sex object whereas Daenarys is a warrior-queen who unites disparate cultures and fights against oppression (even if she does get in over her head). Daenarys is easily overwhelmed by the real demands of rulership and her decisions are at times quite brash but I feel like with a court of even-handed and rational advisors she would be a wonderful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms if her people would accept her. She could make great strides against the omnipresent corruption and oppression in Westeros, but she'd have to rein in her more impulsive tendencies and the strain of the Westerosi political climate could fuck her up.

It's not like he started out that way. From what I gather from book-readers is that Viserys went crazy from the difficulties of keeping Dany alive for all those years. He endured humiliation, had to give away everything they owned, flee assassins, all sorts of things. In fact, that he went crazy begging people to help them survive is one of Dany's primary motivations, if I remember right.

[Meryuma]

Holy fuck, I just watched the whole series in 2 weeks and I'm rather obsessed (haven't read the books).

I love Tyrion, Arya, Daenarys, Bran and Oberyn. Daenarys is probably the best for the throne, though she's in a far greyer place than she started in and I don't support her as unreservedly as I once did. I hate Stannis. He's competent and pragmatic but he's also a fundamentalist dick and he killed

Renly

, who was one of the best candidates for the throne.

Out of all the major deaths,

Oberyn

and

Jojen

hit me the hardest. Season 4 also really left me wondering where Gendry went. I'm pretty curious where Theon's sordid arc will end too.



I can't believe anyone actually preferred Viserys to Daenarys. Viserys was a pretentious, racist, misogynist bitch who basically treated his sister as a sex object whereas Daenarys is a warrior-queen who unites disparate cultures and fights against oppression (even if she does get in over her head). Daenarys is easily overwhelmed by the real demands of rulership and her decisions are at times quite brash but I feel like with a court of even-handed and rational advisors she would be a wonderful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms if her people would accept her. She could make great strides against the omnipresent corruption and oppression in Westeros, but she'd have to rein in her more impulsive tendencies and the strain of the Westerosi political climate could fuck her up.

It's not like he started out that way. From what I gather from book-readers is that Viserys went crazy from the difficulties of keeping Dany alive for all those years. He endured humiliation, had to give away everything they owned, flee assassins, all sorts of things. In fact, that he went crazy begging people to help them survive is one of Dany's primary motivations, if I remember right.

Well, I'm just going off the show. I've heard the books are far more complex and many of the characters are elaborated upon more.

I've also heard that Jojen lives in the books ;_;

[United Marxist Nations]

It's not like he started out that way. From what I gather from book-readers is that Viserys went crazy from the difficulties of keeping Dany alive for all those years. He endured humiliation, had to give away everything they owned, flee assassins, all sorts of things. In fact, that he went crazy begging people to help them survive is one of Dany's primary motivations, if I remember right.

Well, I'm just going off the show. I've heard the books are far more complex and many of the characters are elaborated upon more.

I've also heard that Jojen lives in the books ;_;

Who the fuck is JoJen?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well, I'm just going off the show. I've heard the books are far more complex and many of the characters are elaborated upon more.

I've also heard that Jojen lives in the books ;_;

Who the fuck is JoJen?

Jojen reed... he and his sister went with Bran to the far north beyond the wall?

[Socialist Czechia]

Ah, GRRM. How awesome thoueth be.

hehe, awesome.

He probably wrote it all already and now has every time of the world just to troll everywhere and everyone

If he'll die, I bet in his last will is something like: "For my 'beloved' fans: Yup, it's already done for years. I just loved to see you all crazy and bitchy about it. So there it is. My pleasure."

[Napkiraly]

1)Holy fuck, Daenarys is probably the best for the throne, though she's in a far greyer place than she started in and I don't support her as unreservedly as I once did. I hate Stannis. He's competent and pragmatic but he's also a fundamentalist dick and he killed

Renly

, who was one of the best candidates for the throne.

1) Oh heavens no. She is a terrible ruler.
2) D&D butchered Stannis. At least they pulled off one of his best Mannis moments rather well.

You should read the books, a lot of things are...different and better portrayed.

[Valentir]

I'm worried we won't get to see Euron and Victarion. If they cut them out from the show I'll be pissed.

[Napkiraly]

I'm worried we won't get to see Euron and Victarion. If they cut them out from the show I'll be pissed.

I think we'll see them in later seasons.

[Socialist Czechia]

I'm worried we won't get to see Euron and Victarion. If they cut them out from the show I'll be pissed.

That is good question. Only Euron is officially acknowledged, Aeron is totally out, since Drowned Man who baptised Theon was just common priest and his story is not so important to not be cut out and Victarion, if there will be, then probably just as sidekick/not important character. If there will be at all.

But who knows who will be chosen as Balon's bros. Don't know about Euron's actor, but for Victarion i see only one good option: Vladimir Kulich.
2 meter tall, total badass dude who played viking warlords more than once, and yet not so known face, it's obviously best choice.

They should really focus back on Iron Islands, since Reek has enough reeked tv time already.

[Napkiraly]

I'm worried we won't get to see Euron and Victarion. If they cut them out from the show I'll be pissed.

That is good question. Only Euron is officially acknowledged, Aeron is totally out, since Drowned Man who baptised Theon was just common priest and his story is not so important to not be cut out and Victarion, if there will be, then probably just as sidekick/not important character. If there will be at all.

But who knows who will be chosen as Balon's bros. Don't know about Euron's actor, but for Victarion i see only one good option: Vladimir Kulich.
2 meter tall, total badass dude who played viking warlords more than once, and yet not so known face, it's obviously best choice.

They should really focus back on Iron Islands, since Reek has enough reeked tv time already.

Kulich would make for a good Vicatarion, and imo they have to have Victarion if they're gonna have Euron. I've also heard Ray Stevenson suggested.

As for Euron, I know a lot of people would love Mads Mikkelsen. But, he's Hannibal and so he's almost certainly out of the picture. I think Rufus Sewell would make a pretty good Euron.

Edit: James Purefoy also for Euron.

[Valentir]

I'm worried we won't get to see Euron and Victarion. If they cut them out from the show I'll be pissed.

I think we'll see them in later seasons.

I hope so.

I'm worried we won't get to see Euron and Victarion. If they cut them out from the show I'll be pissed.

That is good question. Only Euron is officially acknowledged, Aeron is totally out, since Drowned Man who baptised Theon was just common priest and his story is not so important to not be cut out and Victarion, if there will be, then probably just as sidekick/not important character. If there will be at all.

But who knows who will be chosen as Balon's bros. Don't know about Euron's actor, but for Victarion i see only one good option: Vladimir Kulich.
2 meter tall, total badass dude who played viking warlords more than once, and yet not so known face, it's obviously best choice.

They should really focus back on Iron Islands, since Reek has enough reeked tv time already.

I could see him playing Victarion. It sucks they left out Aeron though.

[Napkiraly]

I think we'll see them in later seasons.

I hope so.

That is good question. Only Euron is officially acknowledged, Aeron is totally out, since Drowned Man who baptised Theon was just common priest and his story is not so important to not be cut out and Victarion, if there will be, then probably just as sidekick/not important character. If there will be at all.

But who knows who will be chosen as Balon's bros. Don't know about Euron's actor, but for Victarion i see only one good option: Vladimir Kulich.
2 meter tall, total badass dude who played viking warlords more than once, and yet not so known face, it's obviously best choice.

They should really focus back on Iron Islands, since Reek has enough reeked tv time already.

I could see him playing Victarion. It sucks they left out Aeron though.

Eh they could just retcon the priest from season 2 and say its Damphair. If they were to include him, Jon Campling all the way.

[Valentir]

I hope so.


I could see him playing Victarion. It sucks they left out Aeron though.

Eh they could just retcon the priest from season 2 and say its Damphair. If they were to include him, Jon Campling all the way.

I agree. He fits the role. I'm interested to see the plot with the Greyjoys in the TV show, and with

Tywin dead I cannot wait to see Cersei's rule begin and then start to crumble.

[Socialist Czechia]

Remember, that name 'Aeron' would also sound too similar to 'Euron', and HBO loves to change name of characters just for stu...ahem...watchers with less capable memory

So better for Aeron the Damphair to not be there. Who knows what they would do to him.

[Valentir]

Remember, that name 'Aeron' would also sound too similar to 'Euron', and HBO loves to change name of characters just for stu...ahem...watchers with less capable memory

So better for Aeron the Damphair to not be there. Who knows what they would do to him.

Yeah, like with Sweetrobin and Yara.

[Napkiraly]

Remember, that name 'Aeron' would also sound too similar to 'Euron', and HBO loves to change name of characters just for stu...ahem...watchers with less capable memory

So better for Aeron the Damphair to not be there. Who knows what they would do to him.

Well they could just keep him as Damphair.

Also, I remember someone suggesting Lars Mikkelsen for Euron. Could work I think if he buffed up a bit.

[Napkiraly]

Remember, that name 'Aeron' would also sound too similar to 'Euron', and HBO loves to change name of characters just for stu...ahem...watchers with less capable memory

So better for Aeron the Damphair to not be there. Who knows what they would do to him.

Yeah, like with Sweetrobin and Yara.

Remember, unlike GRRM, TV producers think people are too stupid to following anything other than the One Steve Limit rule.