ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Lunas Legion]

Remember when Dracula Untold was supposed to launch Universal's "Dark Universe"?

I thought that was the Mummy movie with Tom Cruise?

Except that means winds of winter will never be published

Honestly at this point i unironically think its never coming out.

We'll see which happens first, Winds of Winter is released or Brandon Sanderson finishes the 10 book Stormlight Archive.

[New haven america]

I thought that was the Mummy movie with Tom Cruise?

No, the Mummy was supposed to revive it after Dracula Untold flopped. Oops.

And they thought Alex Kurtzman would succeed in that task.

[Forsher]

Question... did the final series of GOT betray what you thought was the sensibility of (a) ASOIAF and (b) the show up until that point?

[Ethel mermania]

I thought that was the Mummy movie with Tom Cruise? Honestly at this point i unironically think its never coming out.

We'll see which happens first, Winds of Winter is released or Brandon Sanderson finishes the 10 book Stormlight Archive.

Martin has claimed he will be done early 2022. I dont belive him

[Ethel mermania]

Question... did the final series of GOT betray what you thought was the sensibility of (a) ASOIAF and (b) the show up until that point?

I didn't like the happy ending.

Its just the last season felt compressed. There were a lot of indivdual scenes i liked, but it felt very rushed to me.

[New haven america]

WoW's probably getting delayed again.

Most suspect it's so he can finish D&E/Fire and Blood before the series starts production.

[Fedel]

Question... did the final series of GOT betray what you thought was the sensibility of (a) ASOIAF and (b) the show up until that point?

The show did that by unceremoniously dumping off many of its greatest political players culminating in Little Finger’s death imo. Everything after was just spoiled gravy.

[Myrensis]

Question... did the final series of GOT betray what you thought was the sensibility of (a) ASOIAF and (b) the show up until that point?

Pretty much yes, all around, though the decline started before season 8 , it just accelerated then.

We went from logistics and travel time being important factors and single deaths triggering massive conflict (Ned's execution triggering the wars for the throne), to everyone just teleporting around the continent at the speed of plot with no need of supply and Cersei, who most people all ready considered an illegitimate incestuous whore, blowing up the equivalent of the Vatican in deeply Catholic Westeros and taking the throne after her son conveniently dies...and absolutely nobody caring, because otherwise they would have had every reason to support Daenerys and that would have gotten rid of what flimsy justification they had for her suddenly turning into Dragon Hitler.

And then of course there's all the characters having the brains fall out of their heads and throwing away 8 season of character development in order to be quickly railroaded to pre-determined endings that made no sense for them.

[Tarsonis]

The Last Kingdom just dropped its final season on Netflix. If you need your fill of medieval intrigue and violence, it's pretty good.

[New Baltenstein]

Question... did the final series of GOT betray what you thought was the sensibility of (a) ASOIAF and (b) the show up until that point?

Pretty much yes, all around, though the decline started before season 8 , it just accelerated then.

We went from logistics and travel time being important factors and single deaths triggering massive conflict (Ned's execution triggering the wars for the throne), to everyone just teleporting around the continent at the speed of plot with no need of supply and Cersei, who most people all ready considered an illegitimate incestuous whore, blowing up the equivalent of the Vatican in deeply Catholic Westeros and taking the throne after her son conveniently dies...and absolutely nobody caring, because otherwise they would have had every reason to support Daenerys and that would have gotten rid of what flimsy justification they had for her suddenly turning into Dragon Hitler.

And then of course there's all the characters having the brains fall out of their heads and throwing away 8 season of character development in order to be quickly railroaded to pre-determined endings that made no sense for them.

We also started the series with Jaime Lannister still being resented as "the Kingslayer" 20 years after he had killed Aerys, because even though almost everyone agreed the latter was a mad tyrant whose death was long overdue it was that much of a societal sin, and ended it at a point where it was easier to list the characters that hadn't commited kingslaying and kinslaying on a whim.

[Jedi Council]

Cautiously optimistic for House of the Dragon

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cautiously optimistic for House of the Dragon

Yeah it was a good trailer, im looking forward to it i wont lie. Think it could be a decent watch.

[Infected Mushroom]

Rewatching all of Game of Thrones starting from Season 1 with my mom. I am RP-ing a first time watcher so there will be no spoilers.

She has good instincts.

After Viserys’ “crowning” with molten gold and Danny watches calmly and says: “He’s no dragon. Dragons can’t be hurt by fire…” my mom says “This woman is crazy.”

Me: “You say this?”

“Yes. She falls for a terrifying rapist savage horse lord for ambition’s sake (a sane person would 100 remain terrified). Also she eats a horse heart and now she responds to the murder of her brother by calmly stating some unrelated thing about dragons.”

Me: “Dragons aren’t people. She’s conflating the two.”

[Jedi Council]

Rewatching all of Game of Thrones starting from Season 1 with my mom. I am RP-ing a first time watcher so there will be no spoilers.

She has good instincts.

After Viserys’ “crowning” with molten gold and Danny watches calmly and says: “He’s no dragon. Dragons can’t be hurt by fire…” my mom says “This woman is crazy.”

Me: “You say this?”

“Yes. She falls for a terrifying rapist savage horse lord for ambition’s sake (a sane person would 100 remain terrified). Also she eats a horse heart and now she responds to the murder of her brother by calmly stating some unrelated thing about dragons.”

Me: “Dragons aren’t people. She’s conflating the two.”

If my brother was an abusive fuck like Viserys, I don't think I would mind seeing him get that golden crown.

[Infected Mushroom]

Cautiously optimistic for House of the Dragon

“House of Dragons, perhaps I was wrong to distrust you-“

“Distrusting me was the wisest thing you’ve done since you climbed off your horse.

[Myrensis]

Rewatching all of Game of Thrones starting from Season 1 with my mom. I am RP-ing a first time watcher so there will be no spoilers.

She has good instincts.

After Viserys’ “crowning” with molten gold and Danny watches calmly and says: “He’s no dragon. Dragons can’t be hurt by fire…” my mom says “This woman is crazy.”

Me: “You say this?”

“Yes. She falls for a terrifying rapist savage horse lord for ambition’s sake (a sane person would 100 remain terrified). Also she eats a horse heart and now she responds to the murder of her brother by calmly stating some unrelated thing about dragons.”

Me: “Dragons aren’t people. She’s conflating the two.”

Eh, your mom did catch that her brother was physically and emotionally abusive, is the one who sold her to the terrifying rapist savage horselord, and then threatened to murder her unborn child if she didn't get him what he wanted, right? I cringed hard at that montage in Season 8 where they show that scene like it was supposed to be evidence of the sEcrEt eViL inside Daeny all along.

As for the rest...GoT is a medieval crapsack world and Daeny, as a woman with royal blood with no power of her own, was pretty much literally a commodity to be fought and bargained over. So she basically had 3 choices: 1. Kill herself. 2. Live her entire life in constant fear and pain and helplessness. 3. Take some measure of control and agency over her life and turn her situation to her advantage.

She opted for 3. That's kind of the opposite of crazy.

[Infected Mushroom]

Rewatching all of Game of Thrones starting from Season 1 with my mom. I am RP-ing a first time watcher so there will be no spoilers.

She has good instincts.

After Viserys’ “crowning” with molten gold and Danny watches calmly and says: “He’s no dragon. Dragons can’t be hurt by fire…” my mom says “This woman is crazy.”

Me: “You say this?”

“Yes. She falls for a terrifying rapist savage horse lord for ambition’s sake (a sane person would 100 remain terrified). Also she eats a horse heart and now she responds to the murder of her brother by calmly stating some unrelated thing about dragons.”

Me: “Dragons aren’t people. She’s conflating the two.”

Eh, your mom did catch that her brother was physically and emotionally abusive, is the one who sold her to the terrifying rapist savage horselord, and then threatened to murder her unborn child if she didn't get him what he wanted, right? I cringed hard at that montage in Season 8 where they show that scene like it was supposed to be evidence of the sEcrEt eViL inside Daeny all along.

As for the rest...GoT is a medieval crapsack world and Daeny, as a woman with royal blood with no power of her own, was pretty much literally a commodity to be fought and bargained over. So she basically had 3 choices: 1. Kill herself. 2. Live her entire life in constant fear and pain and helplessness. 3. Take some measure of control and agency over her life and turn her situation to her advantage.

She opted for 3. That's kind of the opposite of crazy.

That was her first time viewer response (having watched episodes 1 to 8 so far, about 3 episodes a day). So no processing it, no “hmmm let’s contextualize it.” Just based on her pure response to the actors, the story, and that scene as it unfolded. She’s not a book reader either. She made no comment on justifications, just that Danny had a crazy look/feel.

I’m just intrigued that’s actually where things ultimately land.

[Infected Mushroom]

Whereas my first time response as a viewer was indifference in Season 1 and by Season 2 was more like… “Wow this character is insufferable, she seems kind of hard to get along with.” “Coming off as a bit strong eh?”

However, the thought “crazy” never entered my mind.

[Infected Mushroom]

Is there any way that

Bran can still be king in the books and for this series not to suffer for it?

[Lunas Legion]

Is there any way that

Bran can still be king in the books and for this series not to suffer for it?

Probably not. Far too out of left field.

[Infected Mushroom]

Is there any way that

Bran can still be king in the books and for this series not to suffer for it?

Probably not. Far too out of left field.

I’m rewatching and am now in Season 5 with my mom.

Bran’s story was actually still good at this point. So sad…

[Danternoust]

Is there any way that

Bran can still be king in the books and for this series not to suffer for it?

Probably not. Far too out of left field.

So who could possibly be king? The character that fell the most and rises the most? Or the character that passively accumulates status and power (Bronn repeating Jaime's story, but more successfully?).

[The Huskar Social Union]

I personally think the Seven Kingdoms should have just broken up at the end and gone back to the days prior to Aegon the Conquerers landing, where each kingdom is independent again

Think it would have been a neat outcome that the Targaryens are the one who both unified the Seven Kingdoms and then also broke them apart centuries later (Roberts Rebellion, Daenerys' invasion etc)

EDIT: Because id they did do that then at the end of the series you would have had:

The North ruled by Sansa Stark
The Vale ruled by Robin Arryn
The Riverlands ruled by Edmure Tulley
The Iron Islands ruled by Yara Greyjoy

And then the Stormlands, Crownlands, Westerlands, Reach and Dorne are just a mess of infighting and autonomous lords till someone else takes over. I guess Gendry would be King of the Stormlands since he was legitimised as a Baratheon but who knows if he would actually be able to cling onto power.

[Ethel mermania]

I personally think the Seven Kingdoms should have just broken up at the end and gone back to the days prior to Aegon the Conquerers landing, where each kingdom is independent again

Think it would have been a neat outcome that the Targaryens are the one who both unified the Seven Kingdoms and then also broke them apart centuries later (Roberts Rebellion, Daenerys' invasion etc)

EDIT: Because id they did do that then at the end of the series you would have had:

The North ruled by Sansa Stark
The Vale ruled by Robin Arryn
The Riverlands ruled by Edmure Tulley
The Iron Islands ruled by Yara Greyjoy

And then the Stormlands, Crownlands, Westerlands, Reach and Dorne are just a mess of infighting and autonomous lords till someone else takes over. I guess Gendry would be King of the Stormlands since he was legitimised as a Baratheon but who knows if he would actually be able to cling onto power.

With Arya at his side he could have, and that would have filled the promise between rob and ned to join the families.

[Infected Mushroom]

I personally think the Seven Kingdoms should have just broken up at the end and gone back to the days prior to Aegon the Conquerers landing, where each kingdom is independent again

Think it would have been a neat outcome that the Targaryens are the one who both unified the Seven Kingdoms and then also broke them apart centuries later (Roberts Rebellion, Daenerys' invasion etc)

EDIT: Because id they did do that then at the end of the series you would have had:

The North ruled by Sansa Stark
The Vale ruled by Robin Arryn
The Riverlands ruled by Edmure Tulley
The Iron Islands ruled by Yara Greyjoy

And then the Stormlands, Crownlands, Westerlands, Reach and Dorne are just a mess of infighting and autonomous lords till someone else takes over. I guess Gendry would be King of the Stormlands since he was legitimised as a Baratheon but who knows if he would actually be able to cling onto power.

But then how would that be The End? It suggests further books in the same series since the main surviving characters would need to do even more war-related politicking.