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Thoughts on HOTD Episode Ten: "The Black Queen"

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:25 am

The true Queen of Westeros passed into eternity today. God speed Lady Olena
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:26 am

Tarsonis wrote:The true Queen of Westeros passed into eternity today. God speed Lady Olena

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:17 am

Tarsonis wrote:The true Queen of Westeros passed into eternity today. God speed Lady Olena

RIP

Game of Thrones, as far as i know anyway, is the only thing ive seen her in but she was phenomenal in the role of Olena. Easily one of the best in the entire cast.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:07 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:The true Queen of Westeros passed into eternity today. God speed Lady Olena

RIP

Game of Thrones, as far as i know anyway, is the only thing ive seen her in but she was phenomenal in the role of Olena. Easily one of the best in the entire cast.


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Postby Arlye Austros » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:10 am

Random thought I had. How would the alternate history be where Daenerys runs with Jorah and gives birth to Rhaego before taking hiding in Qarth, the Bone Mountains or some other eastern settlement? I am guessing no major changes in Essos until Rhaego comes (after all he would be fed the same tales from Dany that she was fed by Viserys). Perhaps the Golden Company would act at some point but its hard to tell.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:30 pm

Cersei will always be The Queen. :)

If you went to the most remote anglosphere backwood town (where tv is still a thing) and asked some farmer: “Game of Thrones. Who is the queen?”

They’ll reply in understandable English: “Cersei. Cersei Lannister right?”

One season of bad writing doesn’t erase 6-7 (or was it 5) seasons of glory. In the minds of most, I think when they hear Queen of Westeros, they default to Cersei.

Now that’s branding, social currency. To lose a war and still be associated with being Queen.

Sometimes it’s really not about whether you won or lost, HOW you lost matters too. Danny’s 1 and a half episode long coup just never seemed all that compelling or lasting and neither did the ending. You can’t erase the previous seasons of glory.

I mean Danny never even sat on the thing.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:46 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Cersei will always be The Queen. :)

If you went to the most remote anglosphere backwood town (where tv is still a thing) and asked some farmer: “Game of Thrones. Who is the queen?”

They’ll reply in understandable English: “Cersei. Cersei Lannister right?”

One season of bad writing doesn’t erase 6-7 (or was it 5) seasons of glory. In the minds of most, I think when they hear Queen of Westeros, they default to Cersei.

Now that’s branding, social currency. To lose a war and still be associated with being Queen.

Sometimes it’s really not about whether you won or lost, HOW you lost matters too. Danny’s 1 and a half episode long coup just never seemed all that compelling or lasting and neither did the ending. You can’t erase the previous seasons of glory.

I mean Danny never even sat on the thing.

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:43 pm

the show lost its own game. let it die
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:01 pm

Oh look another reason for the books not to be finished

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:52 am

Hello folks, been a long time hasnt it but i figured it was worth kickstarting the thread again since we have the first trailer for the new ASOIAF series and Game of Thrones prequel "House of the Dragon"

Thoughts? Im intrigued personally. I know the last season of game of thrones was crap but there is a chance this series could be good and ill start a new poll to gauge peoples thoughts on the matter.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:26 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Hello folks, been a long time hasnt it but i figured it was worth kickstarting the thread again since we have the first trailer for the new ASOIAF series and Game of Thrones prequel "House of the Dragon"

Thoughts? Im intrigued personally. I know the last season of game of thrones was crap but there is a chance this series could be good and ill start a new poll to gauge peoples thoughts on the matter.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:19 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Hello folks, been a long time hasnt it but i figured it was worth kickstarting the thread again since we have the first trailer for the new ASOIAF series and Game of Thrones prequel "House of the Dragon"

Thoughts? Im intrigued personally. I know the last season of game of thrones was crap but there is a chance this series could be good and ill start a new poll to gauge peoples thoughts on the matter.

I've heard this show will have 17 dragons, which I'm sure will solve all the fast travel problems nicely.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Hello folks, been a long time hasnt it but i figured it was worth kickstarting the thread again since we have the first trailer for the new ASOIAF series and Game of Thrones prequel "House of the Dragon"

Thoughts? Im intrigued personally. I know the last season of game of thrones was crap but there is a chance this series could be good and ill start a new poll to gauge peoples thoughts on the matter.

I've heard this show will have 17 dragons, which I'm sure will solve all the fast travel problems nicely.

Well based on the war this series seems to be based on most of them will by dying and they will have to lugg it around on foot for the next few centuries until teleporters are invented by Euron Greyjoy.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:24 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I've heard this show will have 17 dragons, which I'm sure will solve all the fast travel problems nicely.

Well based on the war this series seems to be based on most of them will by dying and they will have to lugg it around on foot for the next few centuries until teleporters are invented by Euron Greyjoy.

Turns out Daemon Targaryen had a magical device that allowed him to travel through time and relative dimensions in space, and this device was rediscovered by Euron.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:29 am

I think it's going to flop. People haven't forgotten the massive pile of shit that was the finale of the core series. It was so bad, GoT was completely erased from the zeitgeist. Memes, fanclubs, discussion boards, all gone. They're not gonna watch a spinoff and risk the same letdown.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:33 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well based on the war this series seems to be based on most of them will by dying and they will have to lugg it around on foot for the next few centuries until teleporters are invented by Euron Greyjoy.

Turns out Daemon Targaryen had a magical device that allowed him to travel through time and relative dimensions in space, and this device was rediscovered by Euron.

No joke the idea of Euron with a Tardis is terrifying.

Tarsonis wrote:I think it's going to flop. People haven't forgotten the massive pile of shit that was the finale of the core series. It was so bad, GoT was completely erased from the zeitgeist. Memes, fanclubs, discussion boards, all gone. They're not gonna watch a spinoff and risk the same letdown.
Guess we will have to wait and see honestly, the show will have one hell of a mountain to climb to draw folks back in.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well based on the war this series seems to be based on most of them will by dying and they will have to lugg it around on foot for the next few centuries until teleporters are invented by Euron Greyjoy.

Turns out Daemon Targaryen had a magical device that allowed him to travel through time and relative dimensions in space, and this device was rediscovered by Euron.


Shame we can't give it to GRRM, so he can finish the damm books
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Postby Corrian » Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:35 pm

It does kinda suck that momentum for the entire series was killed thanks to a mixture of the slow ass book writer who is clearly full of shit when he said he was "Past having a writers block" considering its been a LITERAL DECADE, and the showrunners who decided to rush the last 2 seasons for some fucking reason which killed any interest.

Still, hopefully these ones turn out to be good. I'd be glad for the world to be continued in a satisfactory way. Just don't let the original people touch the series anymore.
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Corrian wrote:It does kinda suck that momentum for the entire series was killed thanks to a mixture of the slow ass book rider who is clearly full of shit when he said he was "Past having a writers block" considering its been a LITERAL DECADE, and the showrunners who decided to rush the last 2 seasons for some fucking reason which killed any interest.

Still, hopefully these ones turn out to be good. I'd be glad for the world to be continued in a satisfactory way. Just don't let the original people touch the series anymore.

The showrunners for this series are Ryan Condal who has only done a few screenplays but was chosen by Martin iirc for this project and Miguel Sapochnik who did a number of episodes for Game of Thrones including: Hardhome, The Battle of the Bastards, The Long Night, The Bells and a few others. He won two directing awards for Battle of the Bastards last i checked.

Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with this series i believe.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:52 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Corrian wrote:It does kinda suck that momentum for the entire series was killed thanks to a mixture of the slow ass book rider who is clearly full of shit when he said he was "Past having a writers block" considering its been a LITERAL DECADE, and the showrunners who decided to rush the last 2 seasons for some fucking reason which killed any interest.

Still, hopefully these ones turn out to be good. I'd be glad for the world to be continued in a satisfactory way. Just don't let the original people touch the series anymore.

The showrunners for this series are Ryan Condal who has only done a few screenplays but was chosen by Martin iirc for this project and Miguel Sapochnik who did a number of episodes for Game of Thrones including: Hardhome, The Battle of the Bastards, The Long Night, The Bells and a few others. He won two directing awards for Battle of the Bastards last i checked.

Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with this series i believe.


The Long Night? Uh oh.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Corrian wrote:It does kinda suck that momentum for the entire series was killed thanks to a mixture of the slow ass book rider who is clearly full of shit when he said he was "Past having a writers block" considering its been a LITERAL DECADE, and the showrunners who decided to rush the last 2 seasons for some fucking reason which killed any interest.

Still, hopefully these ones turn out to be good. I'd be glad for the world to be continued in a satisfactory way. Just don't let the original people touch the series anymore.

The showrunners for this series are Ryan Condal who has only done a few screenplays but was chosen by Martin iirc for this project and Miguel Sapochnik who did a number of episodes for Game of Thrones including: Hardhome, The Battle of the Bastards, The Long Night, The Bells and a few others. He won two directing awards for Battle of the Bastards last i checked.

Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with this series i believe.


D&D have little to so with anything these days. They're colossal failure was so toxic that they lost their star wars gig, half their projects have stalled, and the ones that are still underway they're only attached in name only.

Nobody will trust them to manage a major franchise again, and I say good riddance.
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Tarsonis wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:The showrunners for this series are Ryan Condal who has only done a few screenplays but was chosen by Martin iirc for this project and Miguel Sapochnik who did a number of episodes for Game of Thrones including: Hardhome, The Battle of the Bastards, The Long Night, The Bells and a few others. He won two directing awards for Battle of the Bastards last i checked.

Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with this series i believe.


D&D have little to so with anything these days. They're colossal failure was so toxic that they lost their star wars gig, half their projects have stalled, and the ones that are still underway they're only attached in name only.

Nobody will trust them to manage a major franchise again, and I say good riddance.


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Postby Corrian » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:46 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Corrian wrote:It does kinda suck that momentum for the entire series was killed thanks to a mixture of the slow ass book rider who is clearly full of shit when he said he was "Past having a writers block" considering its been a LITERAL DECADE, and the showrunners who decided to rush the last 2 seasons for some fucking reason which killed any interest.

Still, hopefully these ones turn out to be good. I'd be glad for the world to be continued in a satisfactory way. Just don't let the original people touch the series anymore.

The showrunners for this series are Ryan Condal who has only done a few screenplays but was chosen by Martin iirc for this project and Miguel Sapochnik who did a number of episodes for Game of Thrones including: Hardhome, The Battle of the Bastards, The Long Night, The Bells and a few others. He won two directing awards for Battle of the Bastards last i checked.

Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with this series i believe.

Nice, sounds like they got some good people.

Tarsonis wrote:D&D have little to so with anything these days. They're colossal failure was so toxic that they lost their star wars gig, half their projects have stalled, and the ones that are still underway they're only attached in name only.

Nobody will trust them to manage a major franchise again, and I say good riddance.

Yeah that's good. Its hilarious they decided to rush Game of Thrones for fucking Star Wars than lost that gig anyway.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:50 pm

Corrian wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:The showrunners for this series are Ryan Condal who has only done a few screenplays but was chosen by Martin iirc for this project and Miguel Sapochnik who did a number of episodes for Game of Thrones including: Hardhome, The Battle of the Bastards, The Long Night, The Bells and a few others. He won two directing awards for Battle of the Bastards last i checked.

Benioff and Weiss have nothing to do with this series i believe.

Nice, sounds like they got some good people.

Tarsonis wrote:D&D have little to so with anything these days. They're colossal failure was so toxic that they lost their star wars gig, half their projects have stalled, and the ones that are still underway they're only attached in name only.

Nobody will trust them to manage a major franchise again, and I say good riddance.

Yeah that's good. Its hilarious they decided to rush Game of Thrones for fucking Star Wars than lost that gig anyway.


In hindsight isn’t it obvious that Star Wars is long past its glory days?

Considering what GOT had the potential to be and already was, why would you gamble on Star Wars?

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Postby Corrian » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:In hindsight isn’t it obvious that Star Wars is long past its glory days?

Considering what GOT had the potential to be and already was, why would you gamble on Star Wars?

They weren't very bright, apparently.

Game of Thrones could have turned into one of the most believed series ever if it hadn't ended on such a sour note.

Like, I still think even the last season had a lot of solid qualities. The battles were EXTREMELY well done and the typical cinematography. But man the storytelling took a HIT. It definitely felt rushed. They could have done so much more with the ending instead of just killing momentum for the entire franchise.
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