ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[New haven america]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Considering basically every fantasy writer in the past 50 years including GRRM stole ideas and mythology from Tolkien's work, yeah, I'd say he's pretty well liked.

Also, unlike ASoIaF, LoTR actually has a good screen adaptation and videogames.

[Tarsonis]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Remember how you tried to present yourself as reliable critic? You failed even harder here

[Tarsonis]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Remember when you said GoT would surpass the Bible in cultural influence? This was even dumber

[Infected Mushroom]

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Remember when you said GoT would surpass the Bible in cultural influence? This was even dumber

In my view it already has

It’s not a perfect show, but history was still made

[Tarsonis]

Remember when you said GoT would surpass the Bible in cultural influence? This was even dumber

In my view it already has

It’s not a perfect show, but history was still made

Your view is woefully misinformed then.

[The Huskar Social Union]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

If you are trying to imply that Tolkien is not a quality writer i have no response other than condescending laughter.

Remember when you said GoT would surpass the Bible in cultural influence? This was even dumber

You are soooooo deluded its actually sad.

Its a fucking tv series based on a set of books, it is not going to come anywhere close to the level of influence the bible has on humanity.
In my view it already has

It’s not a perfect show, but history was still made

[Ethel mermania]

Funny y'all mention lord of the rings as I have just started to reread it.

[Andsed]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Well yes seeing as Tolkien is an amazing writer who basically made the fantasy genre into what it is today then I would say his work is pretty high quality.

Remember when you said GoT would surpass the Bible in cultural influence? This was even dumber

In my view it already has

It’s not a perfect show, but history was still made

Okay yes GoT has set a precedent for tv shows but to claim it is more influential than the bible is laughable.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Remember when you said GoT would surpass the Bible in cultural influence? This was even dumber

In my view it already has

It’s not a perfect show, but history was still made

...whatever illicit substances you have recently consumed, you need to share with the class.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Well yes seeing as Tolkien is an amazing writer who basically made the fantasy genre into what it is today then I would say his work is pretty high quality.

Give me more diversionary landscape descriptions and weird old men in forests! More, I say, more! Conclude that character arc off-page well before the end of the first book! A lengthy prologue describing a bourgeois fantasy version of rural England!

Tolkien certainly influenced the genre, and he certainly had his strengths (prose being the obvious one) but his work is also weird and unconventional and in many places sorely lacking in character drama*. Pretty much no one these days tries to write the sort of "Archaic Epic" that Tolkien was doing, and there's loads of stuff in LotR that would never get past a modern editor, so to say he made the genre what it is today is a huge oversimplification. Launching it into the mainstream and establishing certain tropes would be closer to the truth, I think. It's grown and changed enormously; I just went through the last thirty-odd fantasy books on my Goodreads and really none of them bear much, if any, resemblance to Tolkien's work. Some of them have maps, a vaguely medieval setting, or an inhuman force of evil, but that's about it. One of them has elves, but it's almost thirty years old.

IM is being snide and excessively negative, and I doubt he's at all inclined or indeed able to talk about what supposedly makes Tolkien's work bad, but we shouldn't uncritically declare Tolkien "amazing" just because of his influence.

*Leaf by Niggle, tho. The man knew how to write great characters; he just frequently chose not to.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

What's so surprising about that?

I had a dream where Robb Stark came back from the dead and worked with Bronn of the Blackwater to lead a large army of golden armored knights.

Stannis has an army of silver knights. They met and clashed in a field with thousands of knights on both sides in a exaggerated highly stylicized cinematic sequence in the style of 300.

It was cool watching Robb swing his sword in slow motion and sending tons of heads flying...

Then I woke up

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

I had a dream where Robb Stark came back from the dead and worked with Bronn of the Blackwater to lead a large army of golden armored knights.

Stannis has an army of silver knights. They met and clashed in a field with thousands of knights on both sides in a exaggerated highly stylicized cinematic sequence in the style of 300.

It was cool watching Robb swing his sword in slow motion and sending tons of heads flying...

Then I woke up

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

Y'all need to watch less Game of Thrones.

[Hanafuridake]

For a couple of days, I've been reading Fire and Blood, which is supposed to be a history of the Targaryen's starting with Aegon's Conquest and ending around the time of Aegon III. I actually really like the book, but understand why a lot of reviewers didn't. It's a dry pseudo-history, and even I have to admit that prose isn't Martin's strongest point. He jokingly referred to it as the Simarillion (the GRRMillion) but I don't think it can really compare in quality to Tolkien's work.

Yeah, HBO actually brought in a linguist to construct some of the fictional languages for the show.

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Didn't you compare The Bells to the moon landing in terms of cultural achievement? If you don't like The Lord of the Rings, that's fine, but don't pretend that a culturally monumental series who's writer spent decades inventing complex cosmologies and languages for is inferior when you're championing a tv show because you liked the ending.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

Y'all need to watch less Game of Thrones.

I need a girlfriend that doesn't have Italian relatives.

[Hanafuridake]

I had a dream where Robb Stark came back from the dead and worked with Bronn of the Blackwater to lead a large army of golden armored knights.

Stannis has an army of silver knights. They met and clashed in a field with thousands of knights on both sides in a exaggerated highly stylicized cinematic sequence in the style of 300.

It was cool watching Robb swing his sword in slow motion and sending tons of heads flying...

Then I woke up

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

So you lewded Maisie Williams.

[Ism]

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

So you lewded Maisie Williams.

In his defense, so did Game of Thrones.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

So you lewded Maisie Williams.

She's the same fucking age as me

[Hanafuridake]

https://www.thedailystar.net/shout/news ... ce-1747303

The cunning feline was Tommen’s cat and millennial laws suggest that he is the rightful heir.

I'm dead.

[New haven america]

So you lewded Maisie Williams.

In his defense, so did Game of Thrones.

She actually came up with the idea as well.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I had a dream where I was fucking Arya Stark's actor when Jon Snow burst in and started yelling in Italian.

So you lewded Maisie Williams.

She is 22.

[Auristania]

Tolkien and Quality in the same sentence?

Didn't you compare The Bells to the moon landing in terms of cultural achievement? If you don't like The Lord of the Rings, that's fine, but don't pretend that a culturally monumental series who's writer spent decades inventing complex cosmologies and languages for is inferior when you're championing a tv show because you liked the ending.

Fuck the Prequels. No good ever came from prequels. Write the story GRRM!
You made us care about Characters and then you killed them. Then you made us care about new Characters and then you killed them. Then the only Characters left to care about were Jaime and Cersei, so we are expecting you to kill them.

Rocks fall, everyone dies.

[Cerinda]

I wish this was actually a real trailer and not a joke. It would have been cool to see GOT set in the modern day.

[Arcadian Union]

I wish this was actually a real trailer and not a joke. It would have been cool to see GOT set in the modern day.

I can actually imagine that, there would be independence movements in the North, Iron Islands and possibly Dorne, the Lannisters would definitely own a mining company, Essos would probably be divided into nation-states engaged in multiple civil conflicts along with causing refugees to flee into Westeros. This could actually make quite an interesting show, shame we'll never get it along with a Robert's Rebellion prequel but at least we can dream.

[Infected Mushroom]

Didn't you compare The Bells to the moon landing in terms of cultural achievement? If you don't like The Lord of the Rings, that's fine, but don't pretend that a culturally monumental series who's writer spent decades inventing complex cosmologies and languages for is inferior when you're championing a tv show because you liked the ending.

Fuck the Prequels. No good ever came from prequels. Write the story GRRM!
You made us care about Characters and then you killed them. Then you made us care about new Characters and then you killed them. Then the only Characters left to care about were Jaime and Cersei, so we are expecting you to kill them.

Rocks fall, everyone dies.

I'm completely satisfied with Jaime Lannister and Cersei's arc. My only regret is that they didn't focus an entire episode on Cersei + Jaime for the final season to properly close it.

They could have executed it better but the concept was good.

[Fedel]

Fuck the Prequels. No good ever came from prequels. Write the story GRRM!
You made us care about Characters and then you killed them. Then you made us care about new Characters and then you killed them. Then the only Characters left to care about were Jaime and Cersei, so we are expecting you to kill them.

Rocks fall, everyone dies.

They could have executed it better but the concept was good.

Pretty much describes the entire second half of the show.