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What are your feelings towards the Game of Thrones prequel "Blood Moon"?

Very excited/interested for the new series
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7%
Cautious but optimistic
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33%
Cautious, not optimistic
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24%
Not excited/interested for the new series
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36%
 
Total votes : 45

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Postby Andsed » Wed May 15, 2019 2:15 pm

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Honestly if Tyrion died I would not care. If he was Season 1-4 Tyrion then yeah I would care but now a days Tyrion is a weak character.



I would love to see Dany try and pull the kind of shit she did in Kings Landing against modern AA guns. Be some nice karma.



I don’t think he’s a weak character. I think he’s torn between divided loyalties. He wanted Dany to win, and wanted his family to survive. Ultimately he gets neither

I´m more talking about his intelligence. And more specifically the fact that he has been acting like a damm moron.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 15, 2019 2:18 pm

He has acted like an idiot over the last 2 seasons a couple of times, but i still like him
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Postby Andsed » Wed May 15, 2019 2:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:He has acted like an idiot over the last 2 seasons a couple of times, but i still like him

Eh one of the main things I loved about Tyrion was his clever and quick wit which he seemed to have lost which is one of the main reasons I don´t really care about him anymore.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 15, 2019 2:20 pm

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Tyrion let Jamie go, Tyrion does have to die.


I doubt he will.

I would not be surprised if you are right, but in a logical world she can not let him live.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed May 15, 2019 2:28 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:He has acted like an idiot over the last 2 seasons a couple of times, but i still like him

He drinks and he knows things. Dany made him sober up

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 15, 2019 2:30 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:He has acted like an idiot over the last 2 seasons a couple of times, but i still like him

He drinks and he knows things. Dany made him sober up

Tyrion start downing flaggons like a motherfucker, you will be a strategic genius by evening.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed May 15, 2019 2:54 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:Westerosi Commune when?


The many/seven grand republics of westeros. In close cooperation with the merchant republics of Essos.

A radical shift caused by the excess destruction of nobles fighting each other. Best ending all things considered.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 3:04 pm

Andsed wrote:
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I don’t think he’s a weak character. I think he’s torn between divided loyalties. He wanted Dany to win, and wanted his family to survive. Ultimately he gets neither

I´m more talking about his intelligence. And more specifically the fact that he has been acting like a damm moron.


See I don’t think he’s been doing that either. He’s been trying to win the war as bloodlessly as possible. And there are good reasons to take that tack. The problem is, his opponents aren’t following suit. Cersei didn’t need to kill Misande, she did so out of cruelty. Tyrion wanted to believe that his sister would see reason, but ultimately she chose to have delusions of grandeur. Tyrion basically sees that the train is careening towards a cliff, but no matter what he does to try and stop it, it seems like the train just keeps picking up speed. The more things don’t go the way he expects, the more he struggles.
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Postby New haven america » Wed May 15, 2019 3:13 pm

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Andsed wrote:I´m more talking about his intelligence. And more specifically the fact that he has been acting like a damm moron.


See I don’t think he’s been doing that either. He’s been trying to win the war as bloodlessly as possible. And there are good reasons to take that tack. The problem is, his opponents aren’t following suit. Cersei didn’t need to kill Misande, she did so out of cruelty. Tyrion wanted to believe that his sister would see reason, but ultimately she chose to have delusions of grandeur. Tyrion basically sees that the train is careening towards a cliff, but no matter what he does to try and stop it, it seems like the train just keeps picking up speed. The more things don’t go the way he expects, the more he struggles.

He came up with the idea of keeping the non-fighting force of Winterfell in the Crypt.

He wants to protect defenseless people from the dead people by... surrounding them with dead people.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 3:16 pm

New haven america wrote:
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See I don’t think he’s been doing that either. He’s been trying to win the war as bloodlessly as possible. And there are good reasons to take that tack. The problem is, his opponents aren’t following suit. Cersei didn’t need to kill Misande, she did so out of cruelty. Tyrion wanted to believe that his sister would see reason, but ultimately she chose to have delusions of grandeur. Tyrion basically sees that the train is careening towards a cliff, but no matter what he does to try and stop it, it seems like the train just keeps picking up speed. The more things don’t go the way he expects, the more he struggles.

He came up with the idea of keeping the non-fighting force of Winterfell in the Crypt.

He wants to protect defenseless people from the dead people by... surrounding them with dead people.


Nobody, not even Bran knew he’d be able to raise people who’ve been dead for years
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed May 15, 2019 3:21 pm

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Nobody, not even Bran knew he’d be able to raise people who’ve been dead for years


It would be weird to assume he couldn't and to take no measures in case he could. Beyond that Tyrion's strategic decisions divided the fleet for Euron to destroy and left Highgarden and all of it's strategic assets unprotected in the name of taking a castle that nobody but him thought was particularly important.

There' also the fact that the massacre would have been totally avoided if she'd ignored him and attacked King's Landing directly. If they had that confrontation immediately it would have still been nasty but Daenarys wouldn't have lost her shit, several armies worth of people would have survived, and we could have had so much less Euron.

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Postby Fedel » Wed May 15, 2019 4:25 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
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He came up with the idea of keeping the non-fighting force of Winterfell in the Crypt.

He wants to protect defenseless people from the dead people by... surrounding them with dead people.


Nobody, not even Bran knew he’d be able to raise people who’ve been dead for years


Why would they assume otherwise though?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 15, 2019 4:39 pm

Fedel wrote:
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Nobody, not even Bran knew he’d be able to raise people who’ve been dead for years


Why would they assume otherwise though?

The three eyed raven should have known, it wasnt his first fight with the night king.
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Postby Fedel » Wed May 15, 2019 5:05 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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Why would they assume otherwise though?

The three eyed raven should have known, it wasnt his first fight with the night king.


Are you saying that as a plothole or a reason Tyrion wouldn't have expected the NK to be able to do that? If the former, I agree. If the latter, why DIDN'T Bran know?

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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 5:19 pm

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Why would they assume otherwise though?

The three eyed raven should have known, it wasnt his first fight with the night king.


That doesn’t necessitate mean he’d know. The TER isn’t omniscient in the traditional sense, he knows only what’s occurred. Given that both the TER and the NK have been locked in the Land of Always winter for 5000 years, it’s likely that crypts never factored into the equation. And honestly, it’s pretty reasonable to believe that they would be safe in the crypt. After all

A. Then NK’s powers weren’t exactly clear. Did they require line of sight? Or is it more an AoE attack? Turns out it was the latter.
B. Can decayed skeletons also be resurrected without sinew? Apparently, but I was willing to bet not.


Yeah saying “it’s the safest place” 50 times was a pretty big tell it wouldn’t be, but still the characters weren’t complete stupid.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 15, 2019 5:22 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:The three eyed raven should have known, it wasnt his first fight with the night king.


That doesn’t necessitate mean he’d know. The TER isn’t omniscient in the traditional sense, he knows only what’s occurred. Given that both the TER and the NK have been locked in the Land of Always winter for 5000 years, it’s likely that crypts never factored into the equation. And honestly, it’s pretty reasonable to believe that they would be safe in the crypt. After all

A. Then NK’s powers weren’t exactly clear. Did they require line of sight? Or is it more an AoE attack? Turns out it was the latter.
B. Can decayed skeletons also be resurrected without sinew? Apparently, but I was willing to bet not.


Yeah saying “it’s the safest place” 50 times was a pretty big tell it wouldn’t be, but still the characters weren’t complete stupid.


Your right in the sense that bran had to look for something to know it, they showed that well with rheqgars marriage to lyssandra. That said You would have thought bran would have given it a few moments of thought while they were trying to figure out how to deal with the night king.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 15, 2019 5:24 pm

Fedel wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The three eyed raven should have known, it wasnt his first fight with the night king.


Are you saying that as a plothole or a reason Tyrion wouldn't have expected the NK to be able to do that? If the former, I agree. If the latter, why DIDN'T Bran know?


Little of both. Tyrion I would not expect to know, bran otoh.
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Postby Ism » Wed May 15, 2019 5:39 pm

Look, even if you don’t know that the Night King can raise the long dead, someone should have brought it up, and then at least one reason for why it wasn’t an issue should have been put forward. That way, at least the characters considered the possibility. As it stands, the characters just stuffed the helpless people into the crypts while they were fighting a necromancer, and nobody thought to question that in any way.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed May 15, 2019 6:18 pm

Ism wrote:Look, even if you don’t know that the Night King can raise the long dead, someone should have brought it up, and then at least one reason for why it wasn’t an issue should have been put forward. That way, at least the characters considered the possibility. As it stands, the characters just stuffed the helpless people into the crypts while they were fighting a necromancer, and nobody thought to question that in any way.

Listen to Peter Dinklage complain about it as well.

"Tyrion.. is smart, but I guess not that smart."

I once argued that yeah the dead in the crypts would rise up and that did happen but I've now come around to the conclusion that that really was not the best piece of writing.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 7:20 pm

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On balance they're just a bunch of filthy peasants (in every literal and metaphorical sense of the word).

The Dragon Queen is a piece of work but these people are something else.

¨Peasants¨ who have done nothing wrong but get mad at the nobles for their constant petty squabbles that cause wars that cause them to starve and die for the nobles benefits and be afraid of a foreign army coming in to overthrow their government. Compared to Dany who murders men women and children they come out looking pretty innocent.


I don't know. I didn't feel sorry for them at all. However, I was feeling really excited that we were finally going to get this Mad Queen Danny finale.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 7:23 pm

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Yohannes wrote:Dany did what was right. Everyone either betrayed her or were behind-the-scenes schemers and string-pullers. She was there for them; but they were not there for her. She had lost her closest friend to Cersei. She now has the power - she has the power to rule and burn down King's Landing (and anyone who opposes her). How about the people of King's Landing? The people did not rise against Cersei; they accepted Cersei's rule. And now they suffer the consequences - Dany will rule over them, and she will have no mercy for those who

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So how exactly does the fact the small folk did not revolt against Cersi justify Dany killing thousands of them after they gave up?


Honestly... who cares.

She had the power, she chose to use it to kill a bunch of filthy peasants and now she's the antagonist (because we as a 21st century audience have this notion that using weapons to deliberately target civilians is wrong unless when the USA does it with nukes in WWII).

The mechanics work fine with me.

I'm not sure it has much emotional stakes (considering how EVERY major siege in Westerosi history ended with mass rape and murder) and since we weren't really shown ANYTHING GOOD about the people of KL but if it gets from Point A to Point B so we can end with a Jon vs Danny, then I'm okay with it.

But at no point did I feel sorry for KL at all.

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