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Thoughts on HOTD Episode Ten: "The Black Queen"

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Postby Starblaydia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:43 am

Myrensis wrote:
Andsed wrote:Maybe I would if:

A: They had not completely fucked over Jamie's character arc

B: Still gave a shit about GoT. But thanks to the utter shit that was season 8 I really don't.

You're not the only one. Given the ignoble death of Bloodmoon after it apparently tanked hard with test audiences, if House of the Dragon falls apart as well D&D may turn out to have singlehandedly killed the Game of Thrones franchise with 6 episodes. Which is actually pretty impressive, in a morbid sort of way.

Season 8 killed any interest I had in re-watching the adaptation of a series I've loved for over twenty years, and also makes me disinclined to pick up the books again for an umpteenth re-read. I'm currently halfway through A Game of Thrones, Fire and Blood and the World of Ice and Fire all at once, with no real desire to progress all that much further in any of them. Compare that to, let's say, just before Season 7 finished, when I was still voraciously into all things ASOAIF.

Damn those two men. If it wasn't for the Green Ronin TTRPG I'd be completely done with the franchise.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:22 pm

Starblaydia wrote:
Myrensis wrote:You're not the only one. Given the ignoble death of Bloodmoon after it apparently tanked hard with test audiences, if House of the Dragon falls apart as well D&D may turn out to have singlehandedly killed the Game of Thrones franchise with 6 episodes. Which is actually pretty impressive, in a morbid sort of way.

Season 8 killed any interest I had in re-watching the adaptation of a series I've loved for over twenty years, and also makes me disinclined to pick up the books again for an umpteenth re-read. I'm currently halfway through A Game of Thrones, Fire and Blood and the World of Ice and Fire all at once, with no real desire to progress all that much further in any of them. Compare that to, let's say, just before Season 7 finished, when I was still voraciously into all things ASOAIF.

Damn those two men. If it wasn't for the Green Ronin TTRPG I'd be completely done with the franchise.


It was really that bad eh?

:(

For me the biggest issues:
1. Episode 1-2 very very slow
2. Winterfell battle shot in near Total Darkness (no one unexpected died there)
3. Jaime and Cersei really should get an extra episode 100 percent focused on their relationship, maybe even with flash backs... and the final deaths should have been a big big focus (not just, one of many things that sort of happened at KL)
4. Tyrion needed to die because he kept making mistake after mistake stale after mistake

5. Danny as Mad Queen should have had 1 more episode to build up suspense (in fact, maybe it should be an entire new season... the games they could have played with her vs Sansa, Tyrion etc)

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Postby Aeyariss » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:58 am

Man, ...still trying to move on from S8.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:30 am

So mrs mermania has finished rewatching game of thrones, is convinced bran was worged into and Brandon bloodraven is now on the iron throne.

She is now watching Outlander.


Its half the same freaking cast.

Edmure of riverrun is a main character, and half the Scots are the freakin north and wildlings.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:40 pm

Roose Bolton In real life?

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/ ... 200620.htm

I can imagine when interviewed, John Bolton says: “Trump ignored my advice in foreign policy at every turn, if he’d been a trifle less arrogant.”

Maybe all Game of Thrones characters have IRL counterparts
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:49 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Roose Bolton In real life?

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/ ... 200620.htm

I can imagine when interviewed, John Bolton says: “Trump ignored my advice in foreign policy at every turn, if he’d been a trifle less arrogant.”

Maybe all Game of Thrones characters have IRL counterparts

You are literally saying this because his last name is Bolton.
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Postby Auristania » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:33 pm

5. Danny as Mad Queen should have had 1 more episode to build up suspense (in fact, maybe it should be an entire new season... the games they could have played with her vs Sansa, Tyrion etc)


Mad queen Danny was set up thematically Stannis was the evil tyrant who burnt innocents, but Davos and Shireen still loved him and the innocents he tortured were random people we never met. So I gave Stannis a pass until he burnt Shireen.

Likewise when Danny genocided House Tarly, it was obvious that she would genocide everybody else. Then, the only question was would D&D pull expected or unexpected out of their asses.

Extra seasons would be good if they were Seasons 1 to 6 quality. I guess they would be seasons 7 to 8 quality and we are better off without them.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:16 pm

So wikipedia says winds of winter will not be done till mid 2021. Quite honestly, I dont believe it. As I have stated before i think he is going to die before it's done.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter

Now if by some minor miracle it does come out next year, my question to the group, who is going to buy the book if it comes out next year?
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Ethel mermania wrote:So wikipedia says winds of winter will not be done till mid 2021. Quite honestly, I dont believe it. As I have stated before i think he is going to die before it's done.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter

Now if by some minor miracle it does come out next year, my question to the group, who is going to buy the book if it comes out next year?


Despite the bad ending in the show, I’m still a loyal ASOIAF supporter

I still believe in the vision :)
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Postby Immoren » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:49 pm

So do you think there's going to be GoT:Brotherhood version of TV-series once/if book-series is finished, or did ending of this adaption ruin the prospects.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:54 pm

Immoren wrote:So do you think there's going to be GoT:Brotherhood version of TV-series once/if book-series is finished, or did ending of this adaption ruin the prospects.

Supposedly There is a prequel coming about the targaryen climb to power.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:So wikipedia says winds of winter will not be done till mid 2021. Quite honestly, I dont believe it. As I have stated before i think he is going to die before it's done.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter

Now if by some minor miracle it does come out next year, my question to the group, who is going to buy the book if it comes out next year?

Unlike a certain other fantasy writer,,,, GRRM's assistants already know the general story and have been ok'd to finish the series if he dies.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:32 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:So wikipedia says winds of winter will not be done till mid 2021. Quite honestly, I dont believe it. As I have stated before i think he is going to die before it's done.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter

Now if by some minor miracle it does come out next year, my question to the group, who is going to buy the book if it comes out next year?

Unlike a certain other fantasy writer,,,, GRRM's assistants already know the general story and have been ok'd to finish the series if he dies.


I did not know that, thanx
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Postby Myrensis » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:42 am

Auristania wrote:
5. Danny as Mad Queen should have had 1 more episode to build up suspense (in fact, maybe it should be an entire new season... the games they could have played with her vs Sansa, Tyrion etc)


Mad queen Danny was set up thematically Stannis was the evil tyrant who burnt innocents, but Davos and Shireen still loved him and the innocents he tortured were random people we never met. So I gave Stannis a pass until he burnt Shireen.

Likewise when Danny genocided House Tarly, it was obvious that she would genocide everybody else. Then, the only question was would D&D pull expected or unexpected out of their asses.

Extra seasons would be good if they were Seasons 1 to 6 quality. I guess they would be seasons 7 to 8 quality and we are better off without them.


No, it wasn't. She didn't 'genocide' House Tarly. She executed 2 people who fought against her and refused to bend the knee after being defeated.

Dany operated on pretty much the same brutal medieval code as everyone else, including the good guys, it's just that around season 7 D&D decided that everyone else in Westeros suddenly developed modern liberal democratic views of warfare and conduct, and so were appalled at Dany's failure to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Hey remember that time Ned Stark, paragon of virtue and honor, decapitated a 15 year old boy because he ran away from ice zombies instead of honoring his oath to the Night's Watch?

Hey remember that time Jon Snow hanged a 12 year old boy for being manipulated into mutiny because Jon told him that the psychotic assholes who murdered and ate his parents were their friends now?

Hey remember that time Tyrion used alchemical fire to slaughter an entire fleet of honorable men who were trying to depose his murderous, sadistic, incompetent, inbred and wholly illegitimate nephew? And then got mad when people didn't give him enough credit for it?

Hey remember that time Sansa fed a man alive to starving dogs?

Hey remember that time Arya butchered an entire family, baked them into pies, and fed them to their own father before cutting his throat?

If you don't, it's okay, D&D kind of forgot too.
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Postby Fedel » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:05 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:So wikipedia says winds of winter will not be done till mid 2021. Quite honestly, I dont believe it. As I have stated before i think he is going to die before it's done.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter

Now if by some minor miracle it does come out next year, my question to the group, who is going to buy the book if it comes out next year?

Unlike a certain other fantasy writer,,,, GRRM's assistants already know the general story and have been ok'd to finish the series if he dies.


Can I get a link for confirmation? If true, that's amazing news.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:53 am


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Postby Aeyariss » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:34 am

Is he ever going to finish?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:16 am

Aeyariss wrote:Is he ever going to finish?


... no?

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Postby New haven america » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:50 am

Aeyariss wrote:Is he ever going to finish?

Maybe, possibly.

If he does die though his assistants have the go ahead to finish the series, so, there's that.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:28 pm

I honestly don't care anymore. Finish it or not, doesn't really matter to me at this point.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:33 am

Aeyariss wrote:Is he ever going to finish?


Due to the Corona Crisis he obviously had to put his writing on lockdown. Or something.

He will be able to pick up his work once the vaccine is available however.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:34 am

New haven america wrote:
Aeyariss wrote:Is he ever going to finish?

Maybe, possibly.

If he does die though his assistants have the go ahead to finish the series, so, there's that.


If they do the same job as the TV series I'd rather they leave the books unfinished.
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