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Thoughts on HOTD Episode Ten: "The Black Queen"

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:33 pm

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Also there's a bunch of rape.

Oh God the rape.


Eventually they get tired of showing us normal rape so decide to share incestuous rape.
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:37 am

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Pretty much describes the entire second half of the show.


There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.


I'd disagree..Daeny in the books is much more a grey character and you can very easily see the possibility for her to go down the bad path to Mad Queen, that would set up Jon having to turn on her.

The problem is that show Daeny is much more unambiguously a decent person and ruler. This is the problem with season 8 in general, D&D have spent 7 seasons having characters wildly diverge from their paths in the books...and then either killed them off or railroaded them to fit Martin's planned endings anyway.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:57 am

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Hanafuridake wrote:
Also there's a bunch of rape.

Also the whole walk of shame bit. And a young girl being poisoned and dying in her fathers arms(which still annoys me since Oberyn would never approve of that.)

I think its best if we just never talk about Dorne.


Because Dorne was.... well it was Dorne. And shit.
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Postby Ism » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:54 am

Myrensis wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.


I'd disagree..Daeny in the books is much more a grey character and you can very easily see the possibility for her to go down the bad path to Mad Queen, that would set up Jon having to turn on her.

The problem is that show Daeny is much more unambiguously a decent person and ruler. This is the problem with season 8 in general, D&D have spent 7 seasons having characters wildly diverge from their paths in the books...and then either killed them off or railroaded them to fit Martin's planned endings anyway.


Daenerys actually had a bad track record as a ruler. She's an excellent conqueror, and leader, but she never showed much talent or skill at actually ruling. As Khaleesi, her actions led to the death of Khal Drogo and the loss of her child, which would also have the consequence of her being imprisoned in Vaes Dothrak 6 years later, she failed to hold onto Astapor and Yunkai, and her tenure leading Mereen resulted in armed insurrection against her, culminating in an attempted assassination and later an attempted invasion of her city. An invasion that most likely began when she was being held in Vaes Dothrak. And, of course, her execution of Mossador cost her a great a deal of support among the freedmen of Mereen, without actually accomplishing anything.

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Andsed wrote:Also the whole walk of shame bit. And a young girl being poisoned and dying in her fathers arms(which still annoys me since Oberyn would never approve of that.)

I think its best if we just never talk about Dorne.


Because Dorne was.... well it was Dorne. And shit.


I wish we'd gotten something closer to books from Dorne. Or nothing from Dorne. Or just end the series in S4.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:22 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Andsed wrote:Also the whole walk of shame bit. And a young girl being poisoned and dying in her fathers arms(which still annoys me since Oberyn would never approve of that.)

I think its best if we just never talk about Dorne.


Because Dorne was.... well it was Dorne. And shit.


Except when indigo Montoya took on the mountain, that was fun.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:43 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I think its best if we just never talk about Dorne.


Because Dorne was.... well it was Dorne. And shit.


Except when indigo Montoya took on the mountain, that was fun.

Yeah that was pretty awesome.
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Postby Myrensis » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:29 am

Ism wrote:
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I'd disagree..Daeny in the books is much more a grey character and you can very easily see the possibility for her to go down the bad path to Mad Queen, that would set up Jon having to turn on her.

The problem is that show Daeny is much more unambiguously a decent person and ruler. This is the problem with season 8 in general, D&D have spent 7 seasons having characters wildly diverge from their paths in the books...and then either killed them off or railroaded them to fit Martin's planned endings anyway.


Daenerys actually had a bad track record as a ruler. She's an excellent conqueror, and leader, but she never showed much talent or skill at actually ruling. As Khaleesi, her actions led to the death of Khal Drogo and the loss of her child, which would also have the consequence of her being imprisoned in Vaes Dothrak 6 years later, she failed to hold onto Astapor and Yunkai, and her tenure leading Mereen resulted in armed insurrection against her, culminating in an attempted assassination and later an attempted invasion of her city. An invasion that most likely began when she was being held in Vaes Dothrak. And, of course, her execution of Mossador cost her a great a deal of support among the freedmen of Mereen, without actually accomplishing anything.


Well, I should clarify 'decent' being the moral sense, rather than the 'competent' sense. Yeah, she screwed up quite a bit, but however botched the execution/thought process, she was generally motivated by what she thought was the right thing to do for the people she was ruling and wanted to 'liberate'. I mean, the entire reason she kept avoiding going straight to King's Landing to bring a swift end to the war is because suddenly brainless idiots Tyrion and Varys kept insisting it would be a bloodbath for the people, and she didn't want to risk that.

At least until her evil Targaryen genes spontaneously activated in the last episode and turned her into a genocidal lunatic wantonly slaughtering women and children because Targaryens be crazy yo.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:21 am

Game of thrones blood moon prequel starring Naomi Watts got axed so that aint happening.


Think there is another prequel in the works but who knows whats gona happen with that one.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:28 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Game of thrones blood moon prequel starring Nicole Kidman got axed so that aint happening.


Think there is another prequel in the works but who knows whats gona happen with that one.

Before winds of winter comes out I am sure.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:30 am

Fucking not Nicole Kidman, its Naomi Watts.

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Game of thrones blood moon prequel starring Nicole Kidman got axed so that aint happening.


Think there is another prequel in the works but who knows whats gona happen with that one.

Before winds of winter comes out I am sure.
Most certainly
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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:34 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Game of thrones blood moon prequel starring Nicole Kidman got axed so that aint happening.


Think there is another prequel in the works but who knows whats gona happen with that one.


I'm looking forward to the Targaryen sequel.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:46 pm

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Still my favourite scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r52x0yTgcAk

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I mean credit where credit is due, it did do a good job of showing just what happens when a city get sacked and how horrific it is.
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Still my favourite scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r52x0yTgcAk

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I mean credit where credit is due, it did do a good job of showing just what happens when a city get sacked and how horrific it is.


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Postby Auristania » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:33 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I think its best if we just never talk about Dorne.


Because Dorne was.... well it was Dorne. And shit.


Except when indigo Montoya took on the mountain, that was fun.

Inigo Montoya died for the Cause that Dornish don't kill children, so Sand Snakes honour his memory by killing children.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:00 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.


I'd disagree..Daeny in the books is much more a grey character and you can very easily see the possibility for her to go down the bad path to Mad Queen, that would set up Jon having to turn on her.

The problem is that show Daeny is much more unambiguously a decent person and ruler. This is the problem with season 8 in general, D&D have spent 7 seasons having characters wildly diverge from their paths in the books...and then either killed them off or railroaded them to fit Martin's planned endings anyway.


For me it’s believable

She always came across to me as an insufferable, unstable, prideful, self-righteous personality

Even in Mereen I viewed her as strongly unlikable

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:35 am

Would you watch a Game of Thrones movie with Jaime as main character?

Maybe a trilogy of films?

Film 1: All the way up to the Mad King

Film 2: War of the Five Kings and adventures on the road

Film 3: Lannister vs Targaryen stuff
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you watch a Game of Thrones movie with Jaime as main character?

You are obsessed


Also dont know. Dont really want a GOT movie.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you watch a Game of Thrones movie with Jaime as main character?

You are obsessed


Also dont know. Dont really want a GOT movie.


eh see above for edit

what if it were a trilogy?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:You are obsessed


Also dont know. Dont really want a GOT movie.


eh see above for edit

what if it were a trilogy?

Dont want a trilogy either so nah im good.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:45 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you watch a Game of Thrones movie with Jaime as main character?

Maybe a trilogy of films?

Film 1: All the way up to the Mad King

Film 2: War of the Five Kings and adventures on the road

Film 3: Lannister vs Targaryen stuff

Maybe I would if:

A: They had not completely fucked over Jamie's character arc

B: Still gave a shit about GoT. But thanks to the utter shit that was season 8 I really don't.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 am

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you watch a Game of Thrones movie with Jaime as main character?

Maybe a trilogy of films?

Film 1: All the way up to the Mad King

Film 2: War of the Five Kings and adventures on the road

Film 3: Lannister vs Targaryen stuff

Maybe I would if:

A: They had not completely fucked over Jamie's character arc

B: Still gave a shit about GoT. But thanks to the utter shit that was season 8 I really don't.


but what if they did it properly this time?

Without the "rushed Season 8 feel" and with a bit of an art house/Jack Snyder's Watchmen vibe to it?

You could have those slow motion shots of Jaime gracefully moving across the battlefield and hacking people away with his sword... (all those action scenes you never got, like the Whispering Woods)

And don't get me wrong, Nicolaj played a killer Jaime but let's change it up too.

New actor, new interpretation of the character (and please... keep him blonde for all the movies, this is important)...

Obviously Cersei would be the female lead but each of the three movies would have a different "antagonist" and the audience would consistently side with/against Jaime as the story goes on.

The third act would be properly and artfully done, with a very tragic ending of Jaime killed in King's Landing in the arms of the one he loved.

Though... I don't think this is ever happening

if they ever make GOT movies, which character do you think they would pick to focus on?

Clearly they couldn't do all characters in even a trilogy and do the story justice. They'd have to zoom in and focus on key characters right?

Who then (please don't say Dany)
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Postby Myrensis » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:14 pm

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you watch a Game of Thrones movie with Jaime as main character?

Maybe a trilogy of films?

Film 1: All the way up to the Mad King

Film 2: War of the Five Kings and adventures on the road

Film 3: Lannister vs Targaryen stuff

Maybe I would if:

A: They had not completely fucked over Jamie's character arc

B: Still gave a shit about GoT. But thanks to the utter shit that was season 8 I really don't.


You're not the only one. Given the ignoble death of Bloodmoon after it apparently tanked hard with test audiences, if House of the Dragon falls apart as well D&D may turn out to have singlehandedly killed the Game of Thrones franchise with 6 episodes. Which is actually pretty impressive, in a morbid sort of way.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:24 am

Myrensis wrote:
Andsed wrote:Maybe I would if:

A: They had not completely fucked over Jamie's character arc

B: Still gave a shit about GoT. But thanks to the utter shit that was season 8 I really don't.


You're not the only one. Given the ignoble death of Bloodmoon after it apparently tanked hard with test audiences, if House of the Dragon falls apart as well D&D may turn out to have singlehandedly killed the Game of Thrones franchise with 6 episodes. Which is actually pretty impressive, in a morbid sort of way.

It really is a damn shame.
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