ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Infected Mushroom]

They could have executed it better but the concept was good.

Pretty much describes the entire second half of the show.

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.

[Otira]

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

These.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.

This I could actually see. Definitely book Jon Snow.

[Valrifell]

I wish this was actually a real trailer and not a joke. It would have been cool to see GOT set in the modern day.

I can actually imagine that, there would be independence movements in the North, Iron Islands and possibly Dorne, the Lannisters would definitely own a mining company, Essos would probably be divided into nation-states engaged in multiple civil conflicts along with causing refugees to flee into Westeros. This could actually make quite an interesting show, shame we'll never get it along with a Robert's Rebellion prequel but at least we can dream.

Modern-day worldbuilding is exceedingly uncommon, I actually don't know if there's any popular piece of media that is a completely fictional modern-tech world.

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m re sketching all the Game of Thrones characters (Stannis, Tywin included)

This is going to take some time

I think it’s a way of getting some closure

[-Ocelot-]

Pretty much describes the entire second half of the show.

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.

Season 8 is absolute crap. The writers wanted to move on, so they wrapped up the rest of the story into a super short mini-season in the worst way imaginable. They didn't care about GoT's legacy because, to them, it was hampering their future projects. Rationalizing their decisions is meaningless because even they didn't care, so why should we? The writers even kind of forgot the Azor Ahai and Valonqar prophecies.

We'll have to wait for Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring to find out how the story is supposed to continue.

[Ifreann]

Do you have two hours to spare? Enjoy Lindsay Ellis' two parter on Game of Thrones.

[Ism]

Do you have two hours to spare? Enjoy Lindsay Ellis' two parter on Game of Thrones.

Just saw the second part yesterday. Good stuff.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Watched the first part when it came out, ill get around to the second part some time tomorrow.

Her stuff is crackin, loved her Hobbit videos.

[Auristania]

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Also, Tyrion needed to die.

I still cannot believe that Jon Snow would just assassinate the Dragon Queen. It's... too much... I have no faith that that can be made to work at all.

Season 8 is absolute crap. The writers wanted to move on, so they wrapped up the rest of the story into a super short mini-season in the worst way imaginable. They didn't care about GoT's legacy because, to them, it was hampering their future projects. Rationalizing their decisions is meaningless because even they didn't care, so why should we? The writers even kind of forgot the Azor Ahai and Valonqar prophecies.

We'll have to wait for Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring to find out how the story is supposed to continue.

DnD used GrrM's Cliff notes because he did NOT write like the wind.
We know how the story is supposed to continue:

Danny goes mad Queen, BUT In the Book it makes sense.
Jon goes mad Bastard, BUT In the Book it makes sense.
Jaime goes mad Valonqar, BUT In the Book it makes sense.

Fan theory: Aegon raped Countess Tywin and spawned Tyrion. BUT what if Tyrion is true-born while Jaimie and Cersei are the Targaryen rape babies? Blonde incestuous, spawning Tyrants. Then Danny is the younger sister who killed them all.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I really really really dont want Tyrion to be a secret targaryen in the books.

Or Jaime or Cersei for that matter.

Had enough secret targs.

[Ifreann]

Watched the first part when it came out, ill get around to the second part some time tomorrow.

Her stuff is crackin, loved her Hobbit videos.

She's in Dublin tonight, up for a Hugo Award for those videos.

[New haven america]

Do you have two hours to spare? Enjoy Lindsay Ellis' two parter on Game of Thrones.

Already seen and enjoyed the videos, but I'm gonna have to disagree with her on the planned out ending being the problem.

Plenty of great series have planned out stories: Avatar TLA, Babylon 5, The Expanse, One Piece, etc... The writers and directors knew what they wanted to do from the get go and had the support to do so, which lead to great stories and tons of foreshadowing, Easter eggs, and blink and you miss it tiny details that only make sense in the long run. Meanwhile, you have related shows that aren't planned out(Like LoK, Babylon 5 season 5, BattleStar Galactica 2003, Naruto/Bleach, etc...), that, while they still can be good, have a lot of problems with build up and where to actually take the story.

Still great videos, but that explanation has been annoying me for a while now.

[Valrifell]

Do you have two hours to spare? Enjoy Lindsay Ellis' two parter on Game of Thrones.

Already seen and enjoyed the videos, but I'm gonna have to disagree with her on the planned out ending being the problem.

Plenty of great series have planned out stories: Avatar TLA, Babylon 5, The Expanse, One Piece, etc... The writers and directors knew what they wanted to do from the get go and had the support to do so, which lead to great stories and tons of foreshadowing, Easter eggs, and blink and you miss it tiny details that only make sense in the long run. Meanwhile, you have related shows that aren't planned out(Like LoK, Babylon 5 season 5, BattleStar Galactica 2003, Naruto/Bleach, etc...), that, while they still can be good, have a lot of problems with build up and where to actually take the story.

Still great videos, but that explanation has been annoying me for a while now.

I may have to rewatch some parts, but I think her point could be more accurately summed up as: they fucked up the planned ending by pointlessly trying to outsmart the audience instead of trying to make a cohesive narrative and ran out of time and fucks to give to make things like character motivations make sense. I don't think she was dragging on the concept of planned endings altogether, but how they handled it was a travesty.

So the problem wasn't that they wanted a planned ending, it was that they forced their planned ending without doing any of the work that makes those things enjoyable.

[New haven america]

Already seen and enjoyed the videos, but I'm gonna have to disagree with her on the planned out ending being the problem.

Plenty of great series have planned out stories: Avatar TLA, Babylon 5, The Expanse, One Piece, etc... The writers and directors knew what they wanted to do from the get go and had the support to do so, which lead to great stories and tons of foreshadowing, Easter eggs, and blink and you miss it tiny details that only make sense in the long run. Meanwhile, you have related shows that aren't planned out(Like LoK, Babylon 5 season 5, BattleStar Galactica 2003, Naruto/Bleach, etc...), that, while they still can be good, have a lot of problems with build up and where to actually take the story.

Still great videos, but that explanation has been annoying me for a while now.

I may have to rewatch some parts, but I think her point could be more accurately summed up as: they fucked up the planned ending by pointlessly trying to outsmart the audience instead of trying to make a cohesive narrative and ran out of time and fucks to give to make things like character motivations make sense. I don't think she was dragging on the concept of planned endings altogether, but how they handled it was a travesty.

So the problem wasn't that they wanted a planned ending, it was that they forced their planned ending without doing any of the work that makes those things enjoyable.

Her point was that planned out endings don't work out in the long run because it doesn't allow for natural chemistry from actors/characters or organic storytelling to take place, which means you can't change things on the fly or edit how the series is going to go because you already have a set series of events and destinations to get too and "Check off."

She admits that planned out endings can be good, but that you need to keep the space in-between points A and B as loose or open as possible to allow for the natural changes with characters or events to take place, which again, isn't entirely true as I've just listed 4 series above that didn't keep their planned out stories fast and loose but still ended up being great.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Already seen and enjoyed the videos, but I'm gonna have to disagree with her on the planned out ending being the problem.

Plenty of great series have planned out stories: Avatar TLA, Babylon 5, The Expanse, One Piece, etc... The writers and directors knew what they wanted to do from the get go and had the support to do so, which lead to great stories and tons of foreshadowing, Easter eggs, and blink and you miss it tiny details that only make sense in the long run. Meanwhile, you have related shows that aren't planned out(Like LoK, Babylon 5 season 5, BattleStar Galactica 2003, Naruto/Bleach, etc...), that, while they still can be good, have a lot of problems with build up and where to actually take the story.

Still great videos, but that explanation has been annoying me for a while now.

I may have to rewatch some parts, but I think her point could be more accurately summed up as: they fucked up the planned ending by pointlessly trying to outsmart the audience instead of trying to make a cohesive narrative and ran out of time and fucks to give to make things like character motivations make sense. I don't think she was dragging on the concept of planned endings altogether, but how they handled it was a travesty.

So the problem wasn't that they wanted a planned ending, it was that they forced their planned ending without doing any of the work that makes those things enjoyable.

Right. Actually planning a story is knowing who your characters are, all the major choices they'll be faced with along the way, and what decisions they'll make and why. And if you find you can't or don't want to hit any of those character beats, you need to be willing to re-evaluate what your story is about and revise your ending accordingly. It would appear D&D tried to have their cake and eat it; let the characters go wherever they wanted, then force them into the original ending regardless.

Although, frankly, the original ending is fundamentally shitty and if it's what GRRM's really planning then I suspect I'll dislike it even more than I disliked the last two books.

[Hanafuridake]

If Jon Snow's father is Rhaegar in the book as well as the show, then I'm sort of confused why he never had Targaryen characteristics like platinum blonde hair and violet eyes, especially since his brother Aegon (who's mother was Elia) has to dye his hair blue to keep from being recognized. I don't see how a Targaryen married a Dornish woman with dark features and had a typical Targaryen son, but married a pasty Northern woman and had a son with no trace of those features, especially how George's understanding of genetics in the series seems to be “sons inherit their father's hair color.”

[Infected Mushroom]

Season 8 is absolute crap. The writers wanted to move on, so they wrapped up the rest of the story into a super short mini-season in the worst way imaginable. They didn't care about GoT's legacy because, to them, it was hampering their future projects. Rationalizing their decisions is meaningless because even they didn't care, so why should we? The writers even kind of forgot the Azor Ahai and Valonqar prophecies.

We'll have to wait for Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring to find out how the story is supposed to continue.

DnD used GrrM's Cliff notes because he did NOT write like the wind.
We know how the story is supposed to continue:

Danny goes mad Queen, BUT In the Book it makes sense.
Jon goes mad Bastard, BUT In the Book it makes sense.
Jaime goes mad Valonqar, BUT In the Book it makes sense.

Fan theory: Aegon raped Countess Tywin and spawned Tyrion. BUT what if Tyrion is true-born while Jaimie and Cersei are the Targaryen rape babies? Blonde incestuous, spawning Tyrants. Then Danny is the younger sister who killed them all.

I’m pretty sure they are all 100 percent Lannisters

It would take too much of who they are away (for any one of the main Lannister syblings) if they turned out to be Targ

Also, what would this twist add to the story?

Their entire character arcs have been about “dealing” with being Lannisters and what that means

[New haven america]

If Jon Snow's father is Rhaegar in the book as well as the show, then I'm sort of confused why he never had Targaryen characteristics like platinum blonde hair and violet eyes, especially since his brother Aegon (who's mother was Elia) has to dye his hair blue to keep from being recognized. I don't see how a Targaryen married a Dornish woman with dark features and had a typical Targaryen son, but married a pasty Northern woman and had a son with no trace of those features, especially how George's understanding of genetics in the series seems to be “sons inherit their father's hair color.”

Rhaenys (Rhaegar's 1st daughter) took more after her Dornish mom though...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Watched the first part when it came out, ill get around to the second part some time tomorrow.

Her stuff is crackin, loved her Hobbit videos.

She's in Dublin tonight, up for a Hugo Award for those videos.

Cool.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Pretty much describes the entire second half of the show.

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Course it can. So you take the whole "stories bring us together" point, but you give Bran an actual personality. And then, during the whole White Walker thing, you have him set various inter-house squabbles to rest by talking about their family histories, how they've fought side-by-side in the past etc.

Then, once he's king, you make the point that he's going to do the same sort of thing with the people as a whole, smallfolk and lords. Maybe have him be the one to write the Song of Ice and Fire.

This is pretty similar to how nationalism was born historically, with people imagining a shared history.

[Starblaydia]

If Jon Snow's father is Rhaegar in the book as well as the show, then I'm sort of confused why he never had Targaryen characteristics like platinum blonde hair and violet eyes, especially since his brother Aegon (who's mother was Elia) has to dye his hair blue to keep from being recognized. I don't see how a Targaryen married a Dornish woman with dark features and had a typical Targaryen son, but married a pasty Northern woman and had a son with no trace of those features, especially how George's understanding of genetics in the series seems to be “sons inherit their father's hair color.”

Robb and Sansa were both described as looking very Tully-like, while Arya and Jon got the Stark genes, so it's not as cut-and-dried as that even in the books.

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Course it can. So you take the whole "stories bring us together" point, but you give Bran an actual personality. And then, during the whole White Walker thing, you have him set various inter-house squabbles to rest by talking about their family histories, how they've fought side-by-side in the past etc.

Then, once he's king, you make the point that he's going to do the same sort of thing with the people as a whole, smallfolk and lords. Maybe have him be the one to write the Song of Ice and Fire.

This is pretty similar to how nationalism was born historically, with people imagining a shared history.

This kind of plot would actually make sense and is along the lines of how I assume GRRM will do it in the last two books. In fact, this would be the same with all the terrible no-precedent actions in the final season (Jaime, Dany, Sansa, Sandor, etc), in that they'd actually (hopefully) have some grounding as to why those characters took those decisions.

[Ifreann]

There's no way Bran as King can ever work in any narrative.

Course it can. So you take the whole "stories bring us together" point, but you give Bran an actual personality. And then, during the whole White Walker thing, you have him set various inter-house squabbles to rest by talking about their family histories, how they've fought side-by-side in the past etc.

Then, once he's king, you make the point that he's going to do the same sort of thing with the people as a whole, smallfolk and lords. Maybe have him be the one to write the Song of Ice and Fire.

This is pretty similar to how nationalism was born historically, with people imagining a shared history.

This sounds a lot better than robo-Bran psychically watching his sister get raped.

[Tarsonis]

Watched the first part when it came out, ill get around to the second part some time tomorrow.

Her stuff is crackin, loved her Hobbit videos.

She's in Dublin tonight, up for a Hugo Award for those videos.

Nostalgia Chick making it to the big leagues

[Ethel mermania]

Course it can. So you take the whole "stories bring us together" point, but you give Bran an actual personality. And then, during the whole White Walker thing, you have him set various inter-house squabbles to rest by talking about their family histories, how they've fought side-by-side in the past etc.

Then, once he's king, you make the point that he's going to do the same sort of thing with the people as a whole, smallfolk and lords. Maybe have him be the one to write the Song of Ice and Fire.

This is pretty similar to how nationalism was born historically, with people imagining a shared history.

This sounds a lot better than robo-Bran psychically watching his sister get raped.

No wonder she wants no part of his kingdom.

[Ifreann]

This sounds a lot better than robo-Bran psychically watching his sister get raped.

No wonder she wants no part of his kingdom.

"We're all agreed, your weirdo creep brother is going to be our king"
"Cool, I'm suddenly overcome with secessionist sentiment"