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Thoughts on HOTD Episode Ten: "The Black Queen"

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Postby Auristania » Wed May 15, 2019 12:54 pm

Fedel wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Since this thread is full of experts, I just wanted an answer to a burning question I had.

Why did the Undying Warlocks of the House of the Undying attack Daenaryus after helping her quest? They are the spiritual leaders of the Qartheen religion and oversee both matters in mysticism and faith in the region. For what reason would they attack a guest, especially if this had never happened before? Daenaryus came in unarmed and she wasn't the first to meet the Undying Ones. What caused them to attack her?


The dragons enhanced their magical power and they wanted them for themselves.

Yes and Dragons were pining for their mother, therefore Warlocks need Danny too. Likewise Pyromancers found it suddenly easier to make dragon fire because there were dragons in the world.

But the wonder is that Warlocks did not invite Danny into Qarth only Xaro invited her.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 15, 2019 1:22 pm


Like Euron said, it's a win for the series that the audience is that invested in it.
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Postby Fedel » Wed May 15, 2019 1:34 pm

Petitions like those are just a way of expressing outrage. Most of the people who sign it don't seriously expect anything to happen. Hell, I'll probably give it a sig later.

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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 1:40 pm

Fedel wrote:Petitions like those are just a way of expressing outrage. Most of the people who sign it don't seriously expect anything to happen. Hell, I'll probably give it a sig later.


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Postby Yohannes » Wed May 15, 2019 1:43 pm

Dany did what was right. Everyone either betrayed her or were behind-the-scenes schemers and string-pullers. She was there for them; but they were not there for her. She had lost her closest friend to Cersei. She now has the power - she has the power to rule and burn down King's Landing (and anyone who opposes her). How about the people of King's Landing? The people did not rise against Cersei; they accepted Cersei's rule. And now they suffer the consequences - Dany will rule over them, and she will have no mercy for those who

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Postby Yohannes » Wed May 15, 2019 1:48 pm

From hero to villain - Dany the boss

Those who oppose her - behind-the-scenes schemers and string-pullers - will be shattered Image

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Postby Andsed » Wed May 15, 2019 1:50 pm

Yohannes wrote:Dany did what was right. Everyone either betrayed her or were behind-the-scenes schemers and string-pullers. She was there for them; but they were not there for her. She had lost her closest friend to Cersei. She now has the power - she has the power to rule and burn down King's Landing (and anyone who opposes her). How about the people of King's Landing? The people did not rise against Cersei; they accepted Cersei's rule. And now they suffer the consequences - Dany will rule over them, and she will have no mercy for those who

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So how exactly does the fact the small folk did not revolt against Cersi justify Dany killing thousands of them after they gave up?
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 1:50 pm

Yohannes wrote:Dany did what was right. Everyone either betrayed her or were behind-the-scenes schemers and string-pullers. She was there for them; but they were not there for her. She had lost her closest friend to Cersei. She now has the power - she has the power to rule and burn down King's Landing (and anyone who opposes her). How about the people of King's Landing? The people did not rise against Cersei; they accepted Cersei's rule. And now they suffer the consequences - Dany will rule over them, and she will have no mercy for those who

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Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order
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Postby Fedel » Wed May 15, 2019 1:51 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Yohannes wrote:Dany did what was right. Everyone either betrayed her or were behind-the-scenes schemers and string-pullers. She was there for them; but they were not there for her. She had lost her closest friend to Cersei. She now has the power - she has the power to rule and burn down King's Landing (and anyone who opposes her). How about the people of King's Landing? The people did not rise against Cersei; they accepted Cersei's rule. And now they suffer the consequences - Dany will rule over them, and she will have no mercy for those who

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Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order


Flawless logic.

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Postby Yohannes » Wed May 15, 2019 1:56 pm

Andsed wrote:So how exactly does the fact the small folk did not revolt against Cersi justify Dany killing thousands of them after they gave up?


They accepted Cersei's rule - now they can burn! #TeamDany

Tarsonis wrote:Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order


Only when they knew Cersei had lost. Now they're at the mercy of the Mad Queen! If I were Dany I would burn them all! Including Tyrion and those who scheme behind my back!

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed May 15, 2019 1:58 pm

Yohannes wrote:
Andsed wrote:So how exactly does the fact the small folk did not revolt against Cersi justify Dany killing thousands of them after they gave up?


They accepted Cersei's rule - now they can burn! #TeamDany

Tarsonis wrote:Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order


Only when they knew Cersei had lost. Now they're at the mercy of the Mad Queen! If I were Dany I would burn them all! Including Tyrion and those who scheme behind my back!

#TeamDragon #DragonQueenWolfKing

Tyrion let Jamie go, Tyrion does have to die.
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Postby Yohannes » Wed May 15, 2019 2:00 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Tyrion let Jamie go, Tyrion does have to die.


Yes Image

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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 2:01 pm

Yohannes wrote:
Andsed wrote:So how exactly does the fact the small folk did not revolt against Cersi justify Dany killing thousands of them after they gave up?


They accepted Cersei's rule - now they can burn! #TeamDany

Tarsonis wrote:Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order


Only when they knew Cersei had lost. Now they're at the mercy of the Mad Queen! If I were Dany I would burn them all! Including Tyrion and those who scheme behind my back!

#TeamDragon #DragonQueenWolfKing


Those people didn’t scheme behind her back, they’re civilians and soldiers. I mean you can fanboy/fangurl all you want but there’s no aspect here that puts her in the right.
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Postby Andsed » Wed May 15, 2019 2:02 pm

Yohannes wrote:
Andsed wrote:So how exactly does the fact the small folk did not revolt against Cersi justify Dany killing thousands of them after they gave up?


They accepted Cersei's rule - now they can burn! #TeamDany

Tarsonis wrote:Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order


Only when they knew Cersei had lost. Now they're at the mercy of the Mad Queen! If I were Dany I would burn them all! Including Tyrion and those who scheme behind my back!

#TeamDragon #DragonQueenWolfKing

Well that is some weak ass logic. Yes they did not revolt against Cersi. That does not justify killing thousands of them including children.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 2:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Yohannes wrote:
They accepted Cersei's rule - now they can burn! #TeamDany



Only when they knew Cersei had lost. Now they're at the mercy of the Mad Queen! If I were Dany I would burn them all! Including Tyrion and those who scheme behind my back!

#TeamDragon #DragonQueenWolfKing

Tyrion let Jamie go, Tyrion does have to die.


I doubt he will.
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 2:06 pm

Fedel wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Well they didn’t rise up against her but they did betray her by surrendering without her order


Flawless logic.


I mean it’s not a violent revolution, but it’s pretty much akin to it. Rather than defend the city and fight for the queen they threw down the weapons and rang the bells surrendering the city without orders to do so and delivering Cersei into Dany’s hands. From a military standpoint, this basically constitutes mutiny.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 15, 2019 2:07 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Tyrion let Jamie go, Tyrion does have to die.


I doubt he will.
He fucking better not die, Tyrion is the last Lannister... i hate the cunts but he is good, i want him to live.
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This is why you befriend the dwarves.
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Postby Fedel » Wed May 15, 2019 2:09 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Fedel wrote:
Flawless logic.


I mean it’s not a violent revolution, but it’s pretty much akin to it. Rather than defend the city and fight for the queen they threw down the weapons and rang the bells surrendering the city without orders to do so and delivering Cersei into Dany’s hands. From a military standpoint, this basically constitutes mutiny.


Ah, my bad. Just reread what you said. Thought you were arguing the citizens betrayed Daenerys by submitting to Cersei's rule.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed May 15, 2019 2:09 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Tyrion let Jamie go, Tyrion does have to die.


I doubt he will.

After what Dany did, she would have a fucking cheek to try to hold Tyrion to account for what he did. He let one person go; she single-handedly presided over a massacre of an entire city.


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The New California Republic wrote:


This is why you befriend the dwarves.

They have flak cannons?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 15, 2019 2:10 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I doubt he will.

After what Dany did, she would have a fucking cheek to try to hold Tyrion to account for what he did. He let one person go; she single-handedly presided over a massacre of an entire city.


Tarsonis wrote:
This is why you befriend the dwarves.

They have flak cannons?

Yo Tyrion, the fuck you hiding in that wineskin
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I doubt he will.
He fucking better not die, Tyrion is the last Lannister... i hate the cunts but he is good, i want him to live.

Honestly if Tyrion died I would not care. If he was Season 1-4 Tyrion then yeah I would care but now a days Tyrion is a weak character.


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I would love to see Dany try and pull the kind of shit she did in Kings Landing against modern AA guns. Be some nice karma.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 2:14 pm

Andsed wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
He fucking better not die, Tyrion is the last Lannister... i hate the cunts but he is good, i want him to live.

Honestly if Tyrion died I would not care. If he was Season 1-4 Tyrion then yeah I would care but now a days Tyrion is a weak character.


The New California Republic wrote:

I would love to see Dany try and pull the kind of shit she did in Kings Landing against modern AA guns. Be some nice karma.



I don’t think he’s a weak character. I think he’s torn between divided loyalties. He wanted Dany to win, and wanted his family to survive. Ultimately he gets neither
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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