ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Infected Mushroom]

Very very hyped for the finale.

The Dragon Queen will execute tons and tons of people (probably Tyrion too). Probably insert some sub plot about trying to get Sansa executed.

Then at the last moment (probably 1 hour in)...

Jon runs up and stabs her with a sword through the stomach.

(Q for very over-the-top Mother of Dragons/Mhysa theme playing), Danny gasps around in pain as Jon suddenly steps back, pulls the sword out and decapitates...

TWITTER/REDDIT EXPLODES

End with coronation of Sansa Stark in the new capital of Winterfell

[Fedel]

Very very hyped for the finale.

The Dragon Queen will execute tons and tons of people (probably Tyrion too). Probably insert some sub plot about trying to get Sansa executed.

Then at the last moment (probably 1 hour in)...

Jon runs up and stabs her with a sword through the stomach.

(Q for very over-the-top Mother of Dragons/Mhysa theme playing), Danny gasps around in pain as Jon suddenly steps back, pulls the sword out and decapitates...

TWITTER/REDDIT EXPLODES

End with coronation of Sansa Stark in the new capital of Winterfell

Perfect crapstone to the end of this season.

[Infected Mushroom]

Very very hyped for the finale.

The Dragon Queen will execute tons and tons of people (probably Tyrion too). Probably insert some sub plot about trying to get Sansa executed.

Then at the last moment (probably 1 hour in)...

Jon runs up and stabs her with a sword through the stomach.

(Q for very over-the-top Mother of Dragons/Mhysa theme playing), Danny gasps around in pain as Jon suddenly steps back, pulls the sword out and decapitates...

TWITTER/REDDIT EXPLODES

End with coronation of Sansa Stark in the new capital of Winterfell

Perfect crapstone to the end of this season.

How about this:

I think Tyrion is near 100% gone. Once Danny finds out that he let Jaime escape... she's going to go Dracarys on him but not before he realizes Jaime and Cersei are both dead.

However, Varys' letters will be sent out already (he gave the signal before he died) and tons of people will back Jon.

There will be some highly talk-heavy scenes involving Sansa being summoned to the Dragon Queen to answer for her treason. Something about Jon being convinced by Davos and others to take up arms.

I think there will be a Jon vs Greyworm too.

The dragon is about to burn Sansa... then its suddenly and instantly offed by a random ballista round (courtesy of Arya... Q for Twitter uproar about the impossibility of sneaking a ballista into the hall)

Danny: 0_0 (My... my last dragon)

But there is no time to react because suddenly a very pissed off looking Jon walks up to her and very suddenly runs her through with his sword.

(Q Mother of Dragons/Mhysa theme)... Jon pulls sword out and decapitates in a swift motion

[Fedel]

My predictions for the end of this season:

- The survivors in King's landing give Daenarys's name to Arya like in the tale of first Faceless Man and she kills her.
- Westeros fractures into seven independent kingdoms again.
- Gendry Baratheon becomes king after Jon turns down the position.
- Perhaps worship of the old god returns in some form to symbolize a return to simpler better times.

That's all I've got so far.

[Infected Mushroom]

My predictions for the end of this season:

- The survivors in King's landing give Daenarys's name to Arya like in the tale of first Faceless Man and she kills her.
- Westeros fractures into seven independent kingdoms again.
- Gendry Baratheon becomes king after Jon turns down the position.
- Perhaps worship of the old god returns in some form to symbolize a return to simpler better times.

That's all I've got so far.

the most crowd pleasing way for it to end would be for a Tyrion + Sansa marriage to reunite the realm

However, I have a feeling Tyrion will die very soon because his fate is somehow linked to the other Lannister twins. Also, he turned Varys in (wrongfully) and presumably he will have to pay for that with a strange twist of fate. He's pretty consistently been (unwisely) loyal to the Dragon Queen and I think that's coming back to bite him.

[Fedel]

My predictions for the end of this season:

- The survivors in King's landing give Daenarys's name to Arya like in the tale of first Faceless Man and she kills her.
- Westeros fractures into seven independent kingdoms again.
- Gendry Baratheon becomes king after Jon turns down the position.
- Perhaps worship of the old god returns in some form to symbolize a return to simpler better times.

That's all I've got so far.

the most crowd pleasing way for it to end would be for a Tyrion + Sansa marriage to reunite the realm

However, I have a feeling Tyrion will die very soon because his fate is somehow linked to the other Lannister twins. Also, he turned Varys in (wrongfully) and presumably he will have to pay for that with a strange twist of fate. He's pretty consistently been (unwisely) loyal to the Dragon Queen and I think that's coming back to bite him.

Wouldn't please me, I'll tell you that.

[Baltenstein]

My predictions for the end of this season:

- The survivors in King's landing give Daenarys's name to Arya like in the tale of first Faceless Man and she kills her.
- Westeros fractures into seven independent kingdoms again.
- Gendry Baratheon becomes king after Jon turns down the position.
- Perhaps worship of the old god returns in some form to symbolize a return to simpler better times.

That's all I've got so far.

the most crowd pleasing way for it to end would be for a Tyrion + Sansa marriage to reunite the realm

However, I have a feeling Tyrion will die very soon because his fate is somehow linked to the other Lannister twins. Also, he turned Varys in (wrongfully) and presumably he will have to pay for that with a strange twist of fate. He's pretty consistently been (unwisely) loyal to the Dragon Queen and I think that's coming back to bite him.

Tyrion is long overdue for a BBQ session with Drogon. He has been failing Dany as an advisor again and again and again. The one and only time he gave sound advise (keeping the Tarleys around as hostages rather than burninating them) she ignored him. This episode, he immediately undermined her again by freeing Jaime despite a clear warning that she won't tolerate any more failures. Seriously, she has burned people for far, far less.

[Ism]

the most crowd pleasing way for it to end would be for a Tyrion + Sansa marriage to reunite the realm

However, I have a feeling Tyrion will die very soon because his fate is somehow linked to the other Lannister twins. Also, he turned Varys in (wrongfully) and presumably he will have to pay for that with a strange twist of fate. He's pretty consistently been (unwisely) loyal to the Dragon Queen and I think that's coming back to bite him.

Tyrion is long overdue for a BBQ session with Drogon. He has been failing Dany as an advisor again and again and again. The one and only time he gave sound advise (keeping the Tarleys around as hostages rather than burninating them) she ignored him. This episode, he immediately undermined her again by freeing Jaime despite a clear warning that she won't tolerate any more failures. Seriously, she has burned people for far, far less.

He might get a pass on letting Jaime go since, as far as they know, his plan worked and led to Cersei signalling her surrender. Of course, Dany being a Mad Queen does lessen the chances of her being reasonable about all this.

[Infected Mushroom]

Tyrion is long overdue for a BBQ session with Drogon. He has been failing Dany as an advisor again and again and again. The one and only time he gave sound advise (keeping the Tarleys around as hostages rather than burninating them) she ignored him. This episode, he immediately undermined her again by freeing Jaime despite a clear warning that she won't tolerate any more failures. Seriously, she has burned people for far, far less.

He might get a pass on letting Jaime go since, as far as they know, his plan worked and led to Cersei signalling her surrender. Of course, Dany being a Mad Queen does lessen the chances of her being reasonable about all this.

To be fair, it WAS treason

[Atholl]

Eh I disagree. Sansa's arc went that natural way it should have. Little Finger trading her to Ramsey for political advantage is entirely within his character.

As for the Buddy Cop aspect, maybe. Myrcella is still alive in the books, and they weren't involved at all with her return, but with writing out the minor characters for the show they needed a new way to bring her back/kill her. I thought it worked fine.

Not at all. Sansa was precious to Littlefinger, he saw her as the embodiement of her mother and even if he didn't he didn't dervie political advantage. Littlefinger has 0 association with Sansa, he has no right to anything as a result of her marriage, and he has no means of enforcing any kind of agreement so whatever benefit he derives can only be the product of Roose keeping a promise for the sake of a promise. Now the way he talked it's possible he assumed Stannis would beat the Boltons, be grateful for having her, and forgive the fact Littlefinger gave her to Ramsay in the first place.

Littlefinger's plan rested on either the honor of Roose Bolton, or the magnanimity of Stannis Baratheon. If we could work in a reliance on the Cersei's chastity it would be the trifecta of shit that doesn't exist.

They murdered Myrcella in the name of a man who literally said "We don't hurt little girls in Dorne."

I think you are forgetting Littlefingers plan, per his conversation with Cersei in 5x06

Littlefinger gave Sansa to the Bolton's in order to turn Cersei against her Roose. This would then allow Littlefinger to take over the North with the armies of the Vale, as he offers in the linked clip, in exchange for becoming Warden in the North.

Littlefingers plan then would have resulted in him being Lord Protector of the Vale, and Warden of the North, while also keeping Sansa in his pocket provided she remained in Winterfell. This plan fell apart because of Ramsay's cruelty.

As for the Dornish storyline, I was not so upset about Ellaria and the Sand Snakes desire to kill Myrcella, grief can make people do terrible things (See Daenerys and King's Landing) but rather that they tossed Doran out the window so swiftly. Doran in season 5 was shown to be intelligent, and ruthless, and this laid the foundations for him to be a schemer in later seasons. His murder in Season 6 was a total waste of Alexander Siddig.

[Baltenstein]

Not at all. Sansa was precious to Littlefinger, he saw her as the embodiement of her mother and even if he didn't he didn't dervie political advantage. Littlefinger has 0 association with Sansa, he has no right to anything as a result of her marriage, and he has no means of enforcing any kind of agreement so whatever benefit he derives can only be the product of Roose keeping a promise for the sake of a promise. Now the way he talked it's possible he assumed Stannis would beat the Boltons, be grateful for having her, and forgive the fact Littlefinger gave her to Ramsay in the first place.

Littlefinger's plan rested on either the honor of Roose Bolton, or the magnanimity of Stannis Baratheon. If we could work in a reliance on the Cersei's chastity it would be the trifecta of shit that doesn't exist.

They murdered Myrcella in the name of a man who literally said "We don't hurt little girls in Dorne."

I think you are forgetting Littlefingers plan, per his conversation with Cersei in 5x06

Littlefinger gave Sansa to the Bolton's in order to turn Cersei against her Roose. This would then allow Littlefinger to take over the North with the armies of the Vale, as he offers in the linked clip, in exchange for becoming Warden in the North.

Littlefingers plan then would have resulted in him being Lord Protector of the Vale, and Warden of the North, while also keeping Sansa in his pocket provided she remained in Winterfell. This plan fell apart because of Ramsay's cruelty.

As for the Dornish storyline, I was not so upset about Ellaria and the Sand Snakes desire to kill Myrcella, grief can make people do terrible things (See Daenerys and King's Landing) but rather that they tossed Doran out the window so swiftly. Doran in season 5 was shown to be intelligent, and ruthless, and this laid the foundations for him to be a schemer in later seasons. His murder in Season 6 was a total waste of Alexander Siddig.

The flaw in that plan is that he physically put Sansa in a situation he had no control over. Which wasn't necessary for his objective of creating a Lannister-Bolton conflict at all. Again, this was back when Cersei's character was dumb as a rock. He really could have told her anything to turn her against the Boltons and play the North into his hands without risking the loss of Sansa as an asset.

[Baltenstein]

I also feel that it would have been more narratively satisfying to place either Rhaegal's or Missandei's death in this episode rather than the last. Having one of them die during the battle would have somewhat raised the sense of struggle (instead of just enabling the GodMode cheat for Dany's faction and let her waltz through Cersei with zero losses) and also would have made her snapping mid-battle more understandable.

This is how it could have been done:

*Rhaegal and Drogon lay waste to the Iron Fleet and the Lannister/GC forces, Dany's army advances into the city, Dany lands and waits for the bells, tension*

*Finally the bells ring, Lannister forces drop their weapons, Tyrion breathes a sigh of relief*

*Suddenly hidden SURPRISE BALLISTA lands a deadly camper shot on Rhaegal, cut to Euron at the ballista laughing like a jackass, Cersei smirking*

*As Rhaegal cries and bleeds to death to the sound of the bells of surrender, Dany realizes that following Tyrion's advise to offer her opponents a chance to spare them turned out to be a mistake AGAIN*

*NOW she has HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING LANNISTERS IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING CITY*

*Cue burninating*

[World Anarchic Union]

I also feel that it would have been more narratively satisfying to place either Rhaegal's or Missandei's death in this episode rather than the last. Having one of them die during the battle would have somewhat raised the sense of struggle (instead of just enabling the GodMode cheat for Dany's faction and let her waltz through Cersei with zero losses) and also would have made her snapping mid-battle more understandable.

This is how it could have been done:

*Rhaegal and Drogon lay waste to the Iron Fleet and the Lannister/GC forces, Dany's army advances into the city, Dany lands and waits for the bells, tension*

*Finally the bells ring, Lannister forces drop their weapons, Tyrion breathes a sigh of relief*

*Suddenly hidden SURPRISE BALLISTA lands a deadly camper shot on Rhaegal, cut to Euron at the ballista laughing like a jackass, Cersei smirking*

*As Rhaegal cries and bleeds to death to the sound of the bells of surrender, Dany realizes that following Tyrion's advise to offer her opponents a chance to spare them turned out to be a mistake AGAIN*

*NOW she has HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING LANNISTERS IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING CITY*

*Cue burninating*

I agree, although I am of the opinion that having him die during the early phases of the battle would be okay as well. Would lessen any sort of justification if it was pure grief and anger that made Daenerys burn the city and not once more her heeding to advice only for it to fail. Missandei’s death was placed well, the execution and pacing was lacking, Rhaegal’s I agree that it should have been this episode. Would make Euron do something in the battle as well, apart from getting exploded and fighting Jaimie.

[Soufrika]

The horror. The horror.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I also feel that it would have been more narratively satisfying to place either Rhaegal's or Missandei's death in this episode rather than the last. Having one of them die during the battle would have somewhat raised the sense of struggle (instead of just enabling the GodMode cheat for Dany's faction and let her waltz through Cersei with zero losses) and also would have made her snapping mid-battle more understandable.

This is how it could have been done:

*Rhaegal and Drogon lay waste to the Iron Fleet and the Lannister/GC forces, Dany's army advances into the city, Dany lands and waits for the bells, tension*

*Finally the bells ring, Lannister forces drop their weapons, Tyrion breathes a sigh of relief*

*Suddenly hidden SURPRISE BALLISTA lands a deadly camper shot on Rhaegal, cut to Euron at the ballista laughing like a jackass, Cersei smirking*

*As Rhaegal cries and bleeds to death to the sound of the bells of surrender, Dany realizes that following Tyrion's advise to offer her opponents a chance to spare them turned out to be a mistake AGAIN*

*NOW she has HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING LANNISTERS IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING CITY*

*Cue burninating*

I agree, this is what i would have done.

[Aeyariss]

The fire was glorious.
Dany ought to have done it back in SE07E1.

[Vilhelumea]

I also feel that it would have been more narratively satisfying to place either Rhaegal's or Missandei's death in this episode rather than the last. Having one of them die during the battle would have somewhat raised the sense of struggle (instead of just enabling the GodMode cheat for Dany's faction and let her waltz through Cersei with zero losses) and also would have made her snapping mid-battle more understandable.

This is how it could have been done:

*Rhaegal and Drogon lay waste to the Iron Fleet and the Lannister/GC forces, Dany's army advances into the city, Dany lands and waits for the bells, tension*

*Finally the bells ring, Lannister forces drop their weapons, Tyrion breathes a sigh of relief*

*Suddenly hidden SURPRISE BALLISTA lands a deadly camper shot on Rhaegal, cut to Euron at the ballista laughing like a jackass, Cersei smirking*

*As Rhaegal cries and bleeds to death to the sound of the bells of surrender, Dany realizes that following Tyrion's advise to offer her opponents a chance to spare them turned out to be a mistake AGAIN*

*NOW she has HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING LANNISTERS IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING CITY*

*Cue burninating*

But then it would not be an action of a mad queen but a somewhat more sane reaction to a terrible loss and that the city failed their promise of that ringing the bells means that they lay down their weapons.

If they want to play the mad queen card like they seem to want they have to make her do it for no good reason at all.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Hey its a coin flip!

Plot twist: Cersei is Harvey Dent.

Oh, hey, I was close.

Just got the wrong queen.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The Clegane Brothers being cute

[The Huskar Social Union]

I also feel that it would have been more narratively satisfying to place either Rhaegal's or Missandei's death in this episode rather than the last. Having one of them die during the battle would have somewhat raised the sense of struggle (instead of just enabling the GodMode cheat for Dany's faction and let her waltz through Cersei with zero losses) and also would have made her snapping mid-battle more understandable.

This is how it could have been done:

*Rhaegal and Drogon lay waste to the Iron Fleet and the Lannister/GC forces, Dany's army advances into the city, Dany lands and waits for the bells, tension*

*Finally the bells ring, Lannister forces drop their weapons, Tyrion breathes a sigh of relief*

*Suddenly hidden SURPRISE BALLISTA lands a deadly camper shot on Rhaegal, cut to Euron at the ballista laughing like a jackass, Cersei smirking*

*As Rhaegal cries and bleeds to death to the sound of the bells of surrender, Dany realizes that following Tyrion's advise to offer her opponents a chance to spare them turned out to be a mistake AGAIN*

*NOW she has HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING LANNISTERS IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING CITY*

*Cue burninating*

But then it would not be an action of a mad queen but a somewhat more sane reaction to a terrible loss and that the city failed their promise of that ringing the bells means that they lay down their weapons.

If they want to play the mad queen card like they seem to want they have to make her do it for no good reason at all.

It would still be the actions of a man queen, just born out of tragedy when she thought she had taken the city without that much bloodshed, then she loses one of her two remaining children and just loses it. They could have easily have had her go apeshit and go wayy overboard and slaughter hundreds of thousands of people anyway. Give her a moment where after her initial burninating where she stops for a moment, looks at the corpse of Rhaegal and then she just continues.

[-Ocelot-]

The fire was glorious.
Dany ought to have done it back in SE07E1.

Dany was too good for her own good. Helping the north and all. She went evil way too late for her own benefit.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I wonder if next episode will have the Northern Army vs the Unsullied and Dothraki

[Aeyariss]

also, does anyone think Cersei got the most lenient death in the entire show? Everyone else gets murdered, but hers?

[Baltenstein]

also, does anyone think Cersei got the most lenient death in the entire show? Everyone else gets murdered, but hers?

She deserved so much worse. This is D&D and their crush on Lena Headey. Book!Cersei's demise will be nowhere near as gentle or dignified.

[Ifreann]

I wonder if next episode will have the Northern Army vs the Unsullied and Dothraki

Nah, they'll have teleported back North already.