ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Baltenstein]

The Sansa/Ramsay plot suffered from the fact that they had to include the Jeyne Poole storyline somehow, without actually having introduced the character of Jeyne Poole (who in the books is around since Book 1, if I'm not mistaken). They obviously could not have introduced her that late in the game so they had to attach the plot to one of the previously established characters and Sansa was the only available.
It didn't work for two reasons, A) character-wise, it pretty much erased Sansa's entire character development by putting her into the exact same position she was back during Season 2 and C) plot-wise, even his personal affections aside, Littlefinger would have never handed over an asset as valuable as Sansa to players he had no control over. The minute he rode out of Winterfell, he had no further influence on what would happen to her, and there were so many things that could have gone wrong: The Boltons could have killed her (because Roose wanted to erase the Stark line or simply for fun, in Ramsay's case), they could have torture-brainwashed her into becoming their loyal plaything (it worked with Theon), Roose could have sent her to KL to gain a favor with Cersei or who knows what else. She could have been killed during Stannis' sack of Winterfell, she could have been executed by a victorious Stannis or maybe kept around as a hostage by Stannis - in any case, permanently removed from Littlefinger's designs. Any of these things could have happened and LF would not have been in a position to avert it.
Also, are we really expected to believe that the master information-broker LF "didn't know" about Ramsay - the guy whose favorite pasttimes were hunting women in the woods and skinning people alive and who wasn't the least bit shy about either?
LF risked all this solely in order to orchestrate a confrontation between the Lannisters and the Boltons, which he could have easily achieved in any number of ways (this was back during Season 5 when Cersei was still dumb as a brick - he could have told her that the Boltons are hiding Tyrion and she would probably have believed it)

[Ism]

Well that was some episode.

So was not surprised in the slightest that Daenerys went fucking mental and killed a ton of people, and boy did SHE KILL A FUCK TON OF PEOPLE. Good bye kings landing.... eh.. i dont really.. im not gona miss that city. Sucks all the childer died though. I think maybe it would have felt better if she lost more in the battle and that is what sets her off. Like if say Missandei died in this episode, and then Rhaegal was killed when she had achieved victory because of a hidden ballista that nailed it right in the mouth mid roar or something. Also if there were more episodes as well, if it had a full 10 episode run i think they could have done it better.

Jon, you need to kill her by the way then go home and sit in the snow for the rest of your life, fuck the south. Oh and get Edmure out of his cell plox he has a wife and kid, let them be together.

Golden Company getting fucking obliterated was hilarious, as was the Iron Fleet. Like the flip on plot power was mental but seeing that gatehouse explode and flatten like 50 men is crazy and awesome. RIP strickland, you.... literally did nothing... fantastic character.

CLEGANEBOWL HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE. I was satisfied, very satisfied with that, shame Sandor died but i kind of guessed it would happen some way.

Now for my two biggest issues with this episode.

Jaime and Cersei, was not happy. Great scene together, they did a great job especially Lena. But i wish it went down a bit better with them, felt.. unsatisfied. Wish he killed her.... felt like a complete waste of his character arc.. y u do dis


Also Tyrion.... i get.. she is your sister, but knock it in the fucking head with trying to save her... you think you would have gotten the message last episode when she said nah then lopped missandei's head off.

Overall i'd give it a 4, same with the battle of winterfell episode, great to watch, enjoyed it a lot. Few small problems here and there then one major problem that felt unsatisfying. Maybe a 3,hmmm still deciding.

Tyrion's thinking this episode seemed less "I have to save Cersei!" and more "If Cersei doesn't surrender, Dany might just fucking burn it all."

[Ethel mermania]

the series didnt know how to treat dragons. They were invincible till the nk's magic lance, then they weren't. Then again they are invincible till they forget how to zig zag and breathe fire, and they werent.
Now one is invincible when burning out kings landing. They worked solely to advance plot points, not within any war logic of their own.

I disagree entirely. They’ve never showed them to be invincible. During the Colosseum fight, Drogon was wounded by the harpies Spears. Dany gets on him to get him to leave rather than be killed. Up until they come to Westeros they’re only invincible because nobody has weapons capable of taking them out in flight. The first scorpion is a prototype, and they only had one in the caravan. it wounds Drogon, but doesn’t kill him. By season 8 the scorpions are upgraded and mass produced, , and fully capable of taking out the dragons.

With Rhaegal, they’re ambushed. The Iron Born control the engagement, she’s unprepared, so Dany is forced to flee. At KL, Dany controls the engagement, attacking swiftly from above the clouds before they can effectively aim. She’s prepared for this engagement, has presumably been advised on the limitations of the scorpions and uses that knowledge effectively. Of all the grips I’ve heard I think this is the most milquetoast.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well that was some episode.

So was not surprised in the slightest that Daenerys went fucking mental and killed a ton of people, and boy did SHE KILL A FUCK TON OF PEOPLE. Good bye kings landing.... eh.. i dont really.. im not gona miss that city. Sucks all the childer died though. I think maybe it would have felt better if she lost more in the battle and that is what sets her off. Like if say Missandei died in this episode, and then Rhaegal was killed when she had achieved victory because of a hidden ballista that nailed it right in the mouth mid roar or something. Also if there were more episodes as well, if it had a full 10 episode run i think they could have done it better.

Jon, you need to kill her by the way then go home and sit in the snow for the rest of your life, fuck the south. Oh and get Edmure out of his cell plox he has a wife and kid, let them be together.

Golden Company getting fucking obliterated was hilarious, as was the Iron Fleet. Like the flip on plot power was mental but seeing that gatehouse explode and flatten like 50 men is crazy and awesome. RIP strickland, you.... literally did nothing... fantastic character.

CLEGANEBOWL HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE. I was satisfied, very satisfied with that, shame Sandor died but i kind of guessed it would happen some way.

Now for my two biggest issues with this episode.

Jaime and Cersei, was not happy. Great scene together, they did a great job especially Lena. But i wish it went down a bit better with them, felt.. unsatisfied. Wish he killed her.... felt like a complete waste of his character arc.. y u do dis


Also Tyrion.... i get.. she is your sister, but knock it in the fucking head with trying to save her... you think you would have gotten the message last episode when she said nah then lopped missandei's head off.

Overall i'd give it a 4, same with the battle of winterfell episode, great to watch, enjoyed it a lot. Few small problems here and there then one major problem that felt unsatisfying. Maybe a 3,hmmm still deciding.

Tyrion's thinking this episode seemed less "I have to save Cersei!" and more "If Cersei doesn't surrender, Dany might just fucking burn it all."

Hmmm true, but he is still kind of being a moron

[Des-Bal]

except he did. He was Lord Protector of the Vale. The Vale while a kingdom in its own right, was secluded and its power more or less tied to the North through Marriages and Family Allegiances following Roberts Rebellion. With Ned and Caitlyn dead, Little finger now has the familial control by virtue of marrying Sansa’s aunt. Returning Sansa to Winterfell, gains him the favor of Roose Bolton, but also solidifies his family ties to the North. It elevates his position by elevating the Vale through strategic political allegiances, and puts a presumably loyal pawn in Winterfell. Little finger probably loved her in his way, but he’s a Sociopath. He would happily feed Sansa to the hounds if it advanced his quest for the Iron Throne.

As for Dorne, they tried to kill her in the books too, only they presumably failed. She leaves dorn scarred but breathing

The plan had too many points of failure and his only tie to Sansa is a marriage to a Tulley. Sansa isn't firmly in his control, and even if she is he acknowledges the possibility that Stannis will win. He's throwing away a pretty big bargaining chip on a prospect that could have gone tits up at any stage and that's assuming he actually doesn't care about anything but power. He got himself bisected in a pointless, stupid fight over Catelyn, his love and obsession aren't eclipsed by his desire to play the game.

The Sand Snakes never tried to kill Myrcella, they tried to make her a queen and they were actually very clear that they didn't want her to die. The Darkstar, a guy they didn't really like or trust was folded into the plan because it brought another region to their side and he was a solid fighter. When they were caught by Doran, Darkstar went off script and tried to kill Myrcella to force a fight his way. The snakes did not benefit from this, and it went directly against all of their plotting, they concealed Myrellas injuries and blamed Darkstar for the death of the Ser Arys.

[Ism]

Tyrion's thinking this episode seemed less "I have to save Cersei!" and more "If Cersei doesn't surrender, Dany might just fucking burn it all."

Hmmm true, but he is still kind of being a moron

Tyrion Lannister, Kind of Being a Moron champion, S5-S8. Runner up: Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen. Honorable Mentions: Jaime "Stupidest Lannister" Lannister, Cersei "This is fine" Lannister, Rickon "What's a zig-zag" Stark, Tommen "I can haz thron pleaz" Baratheon/Lannister/Waters, Ellaria "My nickname violates site rules" Sand, and Qyburn.

[Baltenstein]

Hmmm true, but he is still kind of being a moron

Tyrion Lannister, Kind of Being a Moron champion, S5-S8. Runner up: Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen. Honorable Mentions: Jaime "Stupidest Lannister" Lannister, Cersei "This is fine" Lannister, Rickon "What's a zig-zag" Stark, Tommen "I can haz thron pleaz" Baratheon/Lannister/Waters, Ellaria "My nickname violates site rules" Sand, and Qyburn.

Meh, I wouldn't count Qyburn as a moron. Everything he has ever done with the exception of his very last moment was sound and logical. And while confronting Zombie!mountain was kinda stupid, it's an old and noble tradition for the mad scientist to be killed by his own unholy experiment, so Qyburn went out like a pro.

[The Huskar Social Union]

[Ism]

Tyrion Lannister, Kind of Being a Moron champion, S5-S8. Runner up: Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen. Honorable Mentions: Jaime "Stupidest Lannister" Lannister, Cersei "This is fine" Lannister, Rickon "What's a zig-zag" Stark, Tommen "I can haz thron pleaz" Baratheon/Lannister/Waters, Ellaria "My nickname violates site rules" Sand, and Qyburn.

Meh, I wouldn't count Qyburn as a moron. Everything he has ever done with the exception of his very last moment was sound and logical. And while confronting Zombie!mountain was kinda stupid, it's an old and noble tradition for the mad scientist to be killed by his own unholy experiment, so Qyburn went out like a pro.

Nah, I'm gonna count Qyburn. I'd count Oberyn too, if we went back to S4, and for the same reason; you don't mess around with someone called "The Mountain that Rides" unless you've got a death wish. And since neither of them had a death wish, well, they were both kind of being morons.

[Des-Bal]

(Image)

I was thinking more like this.

[The Huskar Social Union]

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I was thinking more like this.

hohoho YES

[Baltenstein]

Meh, I wouldn't count Qyburn as a moron. Everything he has ever done with the exception of his very last moment was sound and logical. And while confronting Zombie!mountain was kinda stupid, it's an old and noble tradition for the mad scientist to be killed by his own unholy experiment, so Qyburn went out like a pro.

Nah, I'm gonna count Qyburn. I'd count Oberyn too, if we went back to S4, and for the same reason; you don't mess around with someone called "The Mountain that Rides" unless you've got a death wish. And since neither of them had a death wish, well, they were both kind of being morons.

He did exactly what his job required him to do. As a Mad Scientist, you create unholy monstrosities. (We didn't actually hear Qyburn say the obligatory lines "It's alive, ALIVE!" and "You say I'm playing God? I AM God" but being the professional he is, I am going to assume those lines were spoken during Franken!Gregor's creation process)
One of those unholy monstrosities is eventually going to kill you. It's all laid out in the job description, and Qyburn followed it by the book.

[Tarsonis]

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Lmao this is perfect

[Andsed]

You know I think I liked this episode. My favorite scene is when they were sacking the city as it did really show what it would be like to be in a city while it was being sacked and that Dany's side were capable of horrible things which was refreshing from the whole good vs evil of the fight against the Night King.

[Des-Bal]

You know I think I liked this episode. My favorite scene is when they were sacking the city as it did really show what it would be like to be in a city while it was being sacked and that Dany's side were capable of horrible things.

It could have been a lot better had the episodes leading up to it gone differently but it was very effective. The horror and destruction of bringing dragons, dothraki, and northmen who have spent the last few years getting pissed on into Kings Landing is beautifully terrible. This was good, this is what D&D are good at, that big moment that pops. The problem is they never seem to be very good at connecting one moment to another in anything but the laziest most slapdash way possible.

[Andsed]

You know I think I liked this episode. My favorite scene is when they were sacking the city as it did really show what it would be like to be in a city while it was being sacked and that Dany's side were capable of horrible things.

It could have been a lot better had the episodes leading up to it gone differently but it was very effective. The horror and destruction of bringing dragons, dothraki, and northmen who have spent the last few years getting pissed on into Kings Landing is beautifully terrible. This was good, this is what D&D are good at, that big moment that pops. The problem is they never seem to be very good at connecting one moment to another in anything but the laziest most slapdash way possible.

I think that sums up my thoughts on the show right now. We have amazing big moments but the connections between them is lacking. I feel if the story was more consistent and showed more it would be so much better. I think the main problem is they shortened the season to much and have to rush through it. A few more episodes would I think do wonders to help the show.

[Nea Videssos]

Found some more memes, as well as some mistakes in the episode:

[Hanafuridake]

Did anyone else notice how strange it was that Daenerys wasn't eager to burn Jaime alive after capturing him like she was Varys? Jaime killed her father, something she strongly remembers, the only reason she didn't murder him at Winterfell was because they needed everyone they could get to fight the dead. But all she says to Tyrion is “He was trying to get back to your sister.” as though the two have no history at all, when Dany was raised from birth on stories of how her and Viserys would totally torture Jaime to death when they had him in their grasp.

[Auristania]

If you thought there was a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

Jaime v Euron

nicely done: in sword fight Euron wins, BUT in fist fight metal hand wins.

Clegane - bowl disappointing.

Hound stabs Mountain and it has no effect because only Valyrian steel kills zombies. I was hoping Arya would use her dagger

[Nea Videssos]

If you thought there was a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

Jaime v Euron

nicely done: in sword fight Euron wins, BUT in fist fight metal hand wins.

Clegane - bowl disappointing.

Hound stabs Mountain and it has no effect because only Valyrian steel kills zombies. I was hoping Arya would use her dagger

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cant wait till it was all a fake out and Daenerys is taken unawares in a surprise attack and then beheaded by the one true king of the seven kingdoms, ruler of the andals and the first men and protector of the Realm Stannis Baratheon after firing lazers out of his eyes that blow up drogon followed by a million knees bending on their own.

Oh and Bran falls out of his chair or something and drowns in a pool.

Shut up a man can dream

[The Huskar Social Union]

[New haven america]

Cant wait till it was all a fake out and Daenerys is taken unawares in a surprise attack and then beheaded by the one true king of the seven kingdoms, ruler of the andals and the first men and protector of the Realm Stannis Baratheon after firing lazers out of his eyes that blow up drogon followed by a million knees bending on their own.

Oh and Bran falls out of his chair or something and drowns in a pool.

Shut up a man can dream

It's more well written than what the leaks are suggesting.

[Des-Bal]

Found some more memes, as well as some mistakes in the episode:

Personal favorite meme

I appreciate the high quality of the plot spackle people are willing to jam in the cracks but the writing is just such a shit show.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Seriously though, meme game this season is the best its ever been, i am having soo much fun despite the overall drop in quality of this show.

r/freefolk is a treasure trove of goodies.


Also Robert was right.