ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[The Huskar Social Union]

true there were probably some ships left behind and they could have gotten wood and stuff from Cersi. Does not really explain how they could build the ships so fast.

Also yeah armies and such seem to just jump around now a days in GOT with no real explanation which just feels kinda cheap..

Joke stolen from Twitter, but I think we're all waiting for the next episode to have a shot where the camera pulls back and we see that Winterfell is actually 200 yards from King's Landing.

Cersei sitting there eating popcorn

"Jaysus thats a lot of fucking zombies" om nom nom

[Nea Videssos]

[Ifreann]

I mean if you really want to get crazy, GoT is really about the supremacy of the white race. Danny the white savior of all the brown people, conquers them with relative ease. Now she's in westeros fighting other white people who are significantly more advanced and she's mostly in over her head.

This but I don't think it's crazy at all. It's white saviour-y as all hell.

Dothraki before Danaerys: Mongol Horde of Essos, extracted tribute from almost every other society. Rich and powerful, they were a force to be feared.
Dothraki after Danaerys: Dead.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

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[Tarsonis]

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Fair point

[Nea Videssos]

Also found this:

[The Huskar Social Union]

Also found this:

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saw that one lol

[The Huskar Social Union]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

This but I don't think it's crazy at all. It's white saviour-y as all hell.

Dothraki before Danaerys: Mongol Horde of Essos, extracted tribute from almost every other society. Rich and powerful, they were a force to be feared.
Dothraki after Danaerys: Dead.

Well, at least it's being nuanced about the effects of colonialism...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

I mean come on, completely vulnerable from the back, the balistas can turn but they cant fire backwards because of the damn sails.

[Des-Bal]

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I mean come on, completely vulnerable from the back, the balistas can turn but they cant fire backwards because of the damn sails.

Also try having eyes. How do you just not see a fleet? The way they hit Rhaegel with such absurd accuracy from out of the direction Dany was looking made so little sense I thought it was a dream sequence about her fearing for the safety of her dragons following their injuries at the battle of winterfell.

[The Huskar Social Union]

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I mean come on, completely vulnerable from the back, the balistas can turn but they cant fire backwards because of the damn sails.

Also try having eyes. How do you just not see a fleet? The way they hit Rhaegel with such absurd accuracy from out of the direction Dany was looking made so little sense I thought it was a dream sequence about her fearing for the safety of her dragons following their injuries at the battle of winterfell.

If it was a dream sequence that could have been neat, heck they could have went fucking mental with it and have a giant ass kraken come out of the water too and fuck shit up then she wakes up then decide "Yeah nah lets not go that way i have a bad feeling about it"

[The Huskar Social Union]

THE TRUE HERO SURVIVED!

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

I mean come on, completely vulnerable from the back, the balistas can turn but they cant fire backwards because of the damn sails.

I can't even.

I mean, I can think of three or four "logical" explanations, but the real one is because fiction isn't a logic puzzle and good writing isn't necessarily that which involves unimpeachable in-universe decision-making.

I didn't think this was a particularly good episode (although a lot of it's setup so I hesitate to make too much of a judgement till we see the payoff), but fixing all these little issues you lot have isn't going to noticeably improve it.

[Des-Bal]

If it was a dream sequence that could have been neat, heck they could have went fucking mental with it and have a giant ass kraken come out of the water too and fuck shit up then she wakes up then decide "Yeah nah lets not go that way i have a bad feeling about it"

In that brief moment of confusion I was interested in where the story would go. Daenarys took Sansa to task for not wanting to thrust her men right back into the fire but she begins to nurse fears about her children and greatest asset. What happens if the dragon queen is too shaken to actually use her dragons in battle again? That would be SUCH a better explanation for why she refuses burn down the red keep than "people like you more if you starve them to death rather than incidentally hurt some of them attacking their enemy."

[Ifreann]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

Obviously he'd teleport the ships around 180 degrees to keep his ballista snipers on-target.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I mean come on, completely vulnerable from the back, the balistas can turn but they cant fire backwards because of the damn sails.

I can't even.

I mean, I can think of three or four "logical" explanations, but the real one is because fiction isn't a logic puzzle and good writing isn't necessarily that which involves unimpeachable in-universe decision-making.

I didn't think this was a particularly good episode (although a lot of it's setup so I hesitate to make too much of a judgement till we see the payoff), but fixing all these little issues you lot have isn't going to noticeably improve it.

Would make parts of it less fucking stupid tho.

[Infected Mushroom]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

Obviously he'd teleport the ships around 180 degrees to keep his ballista snipers on-target.

Euron's crews were written to be extremely skilled. They definitely would have been prepped for what to do if Danny did the aerial manoeuvre. They could have turned their ships in time because they have exceptional commanders.

Either that or they also had ballistas in the back but the budget wasn't high enough to show them (but in D and D's scripts they were assumed to have them on both sides).

[The Huskar Social Union]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

Obviously he'd teleport the ships around 180 degrees to keep his ballista snipers on-target.

More of them just decloak behind her and fire phasers at her.

[spoiler]If it was a dream sequence that could have been neat, heck they could have went fucking mental with it and have a giant ass kraken come out of the water too and fuck shit up then she wakes up then decide "Yeah nah lets not go that way i have a bad feeling about it"

In that brief moment of confusion I was interested in where the story would go. Daenarys took Sansa to task for not wanting to thrust her men right back into the fire but she begins to nurse fears about her children and greatest asset. What happens if the dragon queen is too shaken to actually use her dragons in battle again? That would be SUCH a better explanation for why she refuses burn down the red keep than "people like you more if you starve them to death rather than incidentally hurt some of them attacking their enemy."

Yeah i agree.

[Tarsonis]

Obviously he'd teleport the ships around 180 degrees to keep his ballista snipers on-target.

Euron's crews were written to be extremely skilled. They definitely would have been prepped for what to do if Danny did the aerial manoeuvre. They could have turned their ships in time because they have exceptional commanders.

Either that or they also had ballistas in the back but the budget wasn't high enough to show them (but in D and D's scripts they were assumed to have them on both sides).

Crazy Ivans are a thing

[The Huskar Social Union]

Obviously he'd teleport the ships around 180 degrees to keep his ballista snipers on-target.

Euron's crews were written to be extremely skilled. They definitely would have been prepped for what to do if Danny did the aerial manoeuvre. They could have turned their ships in time because they have exceptional commanders.

Either that or they also had ballistas in the back but the budget wasn't high enough to show them (but in D and D's scripts they were assumed to have them on both sides).

No they didnt, you can see it in that image. They had no ballistas on the back of the ships.

And a dragon is gona be faster than a bunch of ships between two pieces of land, we already saw how fast those things are in comparison to ships at the battle of Mereen where they utterly annihilated the Slaver fleets.

[Andsed]

Why didnt daenerys fly around behind eurons ships and kill him and his entire force before they could turn around and fire back


Oh wait that would be too logical

Obviously he'd teleport the ships around 180 degrees to keep his ballista snipers on-target.

Nah he would fire the bolts into the rocks and have it fucking deflect off it to hit the target. I mean makes about as much of sense as the rest of the scene.

[Tarsonis]

Euron's crews were written to be extremely skilled. They definitely would have been prepped for what to do if Danny did the aerial manoeuvre. They could have turned their ships in time because they have exceptional commanders.

Either that or they also had ballistas in the back but the budget wasn't high enough to show them (but in D and D's scripts they were assumed to have them on both sides).

No they didnt, you can see it in that image. They had no ballistas on the back of the ships.

And being an exceptional commander doesnt change the speed of your ships, thats not how speed and giant warships work.

And a dragon is gona be faster than a bunch of ships between two pieces of land, we already saw how fast those things are in comparison to ships at the battle of Mereen where they utterly annihilated the Slaver fleets.

It also would have been better from a writing aspect that she kills all the ships but Euron survives.

[Infected Mushroom]

Euron's crews were written to be extremely skilled. They definitely would have been prepped for what to do if Danny did the aerial manoeuvre. They could have turned their ships in time because they have exceptional commanders.

Either that or they also had ballistas in the back but the budget wasn't high enough to show them (but in D and D's scripts they were assumed to have them on both sides).

No they didnt, you can see it in that image. They had no ballistas on the back of the ships.

And a dragon is gona be faster than a bunch of ships between two pieces of land, we already saw how fast those things are in comparison to ships at the battle of Mereen where they utterly annihilated the Slaver fleets.

I think its just a case of the budget not being able to accommodate weapons on both sides, but them obviously existing in the writing of the scene

Budget limitations HAVE constrained what is shown at other points. For example, Stannis clearly had WAY MORE than the actual number of troops shown at the final Winterfell battle. If you did the math, even with all the desertion he'd still have thousands of soldiers left (there weren't even one thousand soldiers credibly shown... again, BUDGET).

However, in the writing of the scene he was clearly intended to be standing there with a few thousand soldiers.

But you wouldn't say: "Hey they didn't show thousands of soldiers, therefore Stannis lost the battle with only at most 100 soldiers left."

Here, I'd say its the same sort of thing.

[Des-Bal]

I can't even.

I mean, I can think of three or four "logical" explanations, but the real one is because fiction isn't a logic puzzle and good writing isn't necessarily that which involves unimpeachable in-universe decision-making.

I didn't think this was a particularly good episode (although a lot of it's setup so I hesitate to make too much of a judgement till we see the payoff), but fixing all these little issues you lot have isn't going to noticeably improve it.

These are not little issues, it's a consistent pattern of character's actions and motivations making no real sense except for doing whatever causes drama. You SHOULD be able to look at tactical situations and understand why characters make the decisions they do. Nothing's perfect and you can trust that the audience will make an excuse for your little mistakes but only if you keep the little and keep space between them.

Here's a pretty good analysis of why people gripe about 'little problems.' The writers have pulled surprise decisive victories out of their asses so many times people have lost faith that there would be a logical explanation for something.

You want to talk about good writing? We just had the climax of the story happen where there were dozens of moments for meaningful character death but very little of it actually happened. The dragon could have died in battle against the wight dragon and had some meaning, Missaendi could have died in the crypts when the dead were awakened leading to Grey Worm struggling with the fact that the act of sending her to safety imperiled her, it could lead to questions about the competence of the woman he swore to serve. What do we have instead? Oh, darn you teleporting Euron, we're so mad at that guy! And Cersei's mean! Writing!