ASoIAF/Game of Thrones general Discussion Thread

[Tarsonis]

She's 69 episodes old.

Shock twist, Grey Worm lives but Missandei dies.

Considering that all the civilians are in the crypts with all of Winterfell's long dead I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm not sure the Night King can animate the ageless dead. Pretty sure his necromancy is limited to the recently or mostly dead.

[Ifreann]

She's 69 episodes old.

Shock twist, Grey Worm lives but Missandei dies.

Considering that all the civilians are in the crypts with all of Winterfell's long dead I wouldn't be surprised.

Headless zombie of Ned Stark just wrecking the place up.

[Tarsonis]

Dead Pool: NOBODY. Yup plot twist, they all survive, subverting our expectations.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

She's 69 episodes old.

Shock twist, Grey Worm lives but Missandei dies.

Considering that all the civilians are in the crypts with all of Winterfell's long dead I wouldn't be surprised.

The dead down there have to be encased in stone, right? If they're just in little niches or whatever and no one thought that sheltering from necromantic zombies in a crypt was a bad idea, then that's bizarre.

[Tarsonis]

Considering that all the civilians are in the crypts with all of Winterfell's long dead I wouldn't be surprised.

The dead down there have to be encased in stone, right? If they're just in little niches or whatever and no one thought that sheltering from necromantic zombies in a crypt was a bad idea, then that's bizarre.

Nah, the bodies in the crypt are all dead. And when they're all dead, theres only one thing you can do.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

The dead down there have to be encased in stone, right? If they're just in little niches or whatever and no one thought that sheltering from necromantic zombies in a crypt was a bad idea, then that's bizarre.

Nah, the bodies in the crypt are all dead. And when they're all dead, theres only one thing you can do.

What?

[Tarsonis]

Nah, the bodies in the crypt are all dead. And when they're all dead, theres only one thing you can do.

What?

Go through their clothes and look for loose change.


Edit:...this explains some much about Skyrim...

[Pasong Tirad]

Considering that all the civilians are in the crypts with all of Winterfell's long dead I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm not sure the Night King can animate the ageless dead. Pretty sure his necromancy is limited to the recently or mostly dead.

Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.

[Rythmosa]

I don't want Brienne to die :'( But really the happier they were in episode two, the more likely they are to die.

I also think that Jorah will probably die. Theon may die, since his redemption arch is fully complete and there's not much more they can do with the character. Also possibly Varys

I really hope Tyrion doesn't die, I would be upset if they killed him off in the third episode, because for so long he's been one of the most important players in the game. I feel like his arch isn't really complete, and that he should play a bigger roll in the finale.

[Ethel mermania]

What?

Go through their clothes and look for loose change.


Edit:...this explains some much about Skyrim...

Well I always said Martell was indigo montoya.

[Tarsonis]

I'm not sure the Night King can animate the ageless dead. Pretty sure his necromancy is limited to the recently or mostly dead.

Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.

Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.

[Pasong Tirad]

Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.

Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.

I personally disagree, if only the metric of "recently dead" is pretty ambiguous, but all this is speculation anyway, and we'll learn the truth in a few days anyhow.

[Tarsonis]

Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.

I personally disagree, if only the metric of "recently dead" is pretty ambiguous, but all this is speculation anyway, and we'll learn the truth in a few days anyhow.

A bit ambiguous yeah, clear enough to explain why dead and buried bodies stay dead. Rather than the writers forgetting and realizing they put all the north's women and children in an all you can eat buffet

[Pasong Tirad]

I personally disagree, if only the metric of "recently dead" is pretty ambiguous, but all this is speculation anyway, and we'll learn the truth in a few days anyhow.

A bit ambiguous yeah, clear enough to explain why dead and buried bodies stay dead. Rather than the writers forgetting and realizing they put all the north's women and children in an all you can eat buffet

Well, I don't believe they forgot. I know these guys have a huge team of people editing and helping with rewrites, I feel like this was a deliberate choice - if my theory is true.

[Tarsonis]

A bit ambiguous yeah, clear enough to explain why dead and buried bodies stay dead. Rather than the writers forgetting and realizing they put all the north's women and children in an all you can eat buffet

Well, I don't believe they forgot. I know these guys have a huge team of people editing and helping with rewrites, I feel like this was a deliberate choice - if my theory is true.

That would then also mean that, John the guy who's spent the last 4 years doing everything he can to stop the Night King, up to and including losing his own life in the process, the one guy who is most likely to know better, with the exception of omniscient Bran, is a colossal dumb ass. That'd be pretty piss poor writing in my opinion.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?

Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.

[Pasong Tirad]

Well, I don't believe they forgot. I know these guys have a huge team of people editing and helping with rewrites, I feel like this was a deliberate choice - if my theory is true.

That would then also mean that, John the guy who's spent the last 4 years doing everything he can to stop the Night King, up to and including losing his own life in the process, the one guy who is most likely to know better, with the exception of omniscient Bran, is a colossal dumb ass. That'd be pretty piss poor writing in my opinion.

Why would I disagree with the notion that Jon's an idiot

[Tarsonis]

Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?

Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.

Yes but as I also included Bran, the Three eyed raven who is literally omniscient (at least in terms of past and present), knows everything about the Night King, also didn't know about it.

And your solution introduces the problem of the Night King's powers being blocked by Stone, which is a plot hole unto itself.

[Baltenstein]

Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.

Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.

How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.

[Tarsonis]

That would then also mean that, John the guy who's spent the last 4 years doing everything he can to stop the Night King, up to and including losing his own life in the process, the one guy who is most likely to know better, with the exception of omniscient Bran, is a colossal dumb ass. That'd be pretty piss poor writing in my opinion.

Why would I disagree with the notion that Jon's an idiot

He's dumb, but not that sort of dumb.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?

Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.

Yes but as I also included Bran, the Three eyed raven who is literally omniscient (at least in terms of past and present), knows everything about the Night King, also didn't know about it.

And your solution introduces the problem of the Night King's powers being blocked by Stone, which is a plot hole unto itself.

I mean that the dead would be blocked by the stone. As in, raising the dead isn't much use if they're trapped in a little stone box.

[Baltenstein]

Btw it's a real shame that Ned was beheaded and thus couldn't become a Wight anyways because how cool would a Zombie Sean Bean cameo be?

[Ism]

Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?

Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.

Best explanation I can muster is the dead of Winterfell, at some point, have been cremated. Or at least burned Supernatural style. Otherwise everyone is being really, really, really stupid.

Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?

Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.

Yes but as I also included Bran, the Three eyed raven who is literally omniscient (at least in terms of past and present), knows everything about the Night King, also didn't know about it.

And your solution introduces the problem of the Night King's powers being blocked by Stone, which is a plot hole unto itself.

I’m pretty sure she was saying that the NK doesn’t have to raise the dead in the crypts to threaten them, they can bust in some other way to threaten the civilians, not that stone blocks the NK’s power.

[Tarsonis]

Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.

How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.

Yes but then the NK could just recast reanimation and get his skeleton army back. The rules of the show however seem to suggest that once a weight is hit with dragon glass or Vsteel, it's dead for good and can't come back. So either the NK's spell is 1 time only, which seems dumb, or he can't animate bodies past a certain point, which makes a certain amount of sense.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.

Yes but then the NK could just recast reanimation and get his skeleton army back. The rules of the show however seem to suggest that once a weight is hit with dragon glass or Vsteel, it's dead for good and can't come back. So either the NK's spell is 1 time only, which seems dumb, or he can't animate bodies past a certain point, which makes a certain amount of sense.

Can we please not ruin another fandom with the "it's stupid if magic works that way" attitude? It's freaking magic.