I'm not sure the Night King can animate the ageless dead. Pretty sure his necromancy is limited to the recently or mostly dead.
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by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:12 am
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:14 am
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:14 am
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:17 am
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Considering that all the civilians are in the crypts with all of Winterfell's long dead I wouldn't be surprised.The dead down there have to be encased in stone, right? If they're just in little niches or whatever and no one thought that sheltering from necromantic zombies in a crypt was a bad idea, then that's bizarre.
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:19 am
Tarsonis wrote:Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:The dead down there have to be encased in stone, right? If they're just in little niches or whatever and no one thought that sheltering from necromantic zombies in a crypt was a bad idea, then that's bizarre.Nah, the bodies in the crypt are all dead. And when they're all dead, theres only one thing you can do.
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:20 am
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:21 am
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by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:24 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
I'm not sure the Night King can animate the ageless dead. Pretty sure his necromancy is limited to the recently or mostly dead.Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:31 am
Tarsonis wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.
Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:36 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.
I personally disagree, if only the metric of "recently dead" is pretty ambiguous, but all this is speculation anyway, and we'll learn the truth in a few days anyhow.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:43 am
Tarsonis wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:I personally disagree, if only the metric of "recently dead" is pretty ambiguous, but all this is speculation anyway, and we'll learn the truth in a few days anyhow.
A bit ambiguous yeah, clear enough to explain why dead and buried bodies stay dead. Rather than the writers forgetting and realizing they put all the north's women and children in an all you can eat buffet
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:48 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
A bit ambiguous yeah, clear enough to explain why dead and buried bodies stay dead. Rather than the writers forgetting and realizing they put all the north's women and children in an all you can eat buffet
Well, I don't believe they forgot. I know these guys have a huge team of people editing and helping with rewrites, I feel like this was a deliberate choice - if my theory is true.
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:50 am
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:54 am
Tarsonis wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Well, I don't believe they forgot. I know these guys have a huge team of people editing and helping with rewrites, I feel like this was a deliberate choice - if my theory is true.
That would then also mean that, John the guy who's spent the last 4 years doing everything he can to stop the Night King, up to and including losing his own life in the process, the one guy who is most likely to know better, with the exception of omniscient Bran, is a colossal dumb ass. That'd be pretty piss poor writing in my opinion.
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:54 am
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?
Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.
by Baltenstein » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:54 am
Tarsonis wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Not entirely sure about that, though, since actual skeletons ambushed Bran and his party when they arrived at the weirwood tree beyond the wall to meet Max Sydow.
Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:56 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
That would then also mean that, John the guy who's spent the last 4 years doing everything he can to stop the Night King, up to and including losing his own life in the process, the one guy who is most likely to know better, with the exception of omniscient Bran, is a colossal dumb ass. That'd be pretty piss poor writing in my opinion.
Why would I disagree with the notion that Jon's an idiot
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:57 am
Tarsonis wrote:Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?
Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.
Yes but as I also included Bran, the Three eyed raven who is literally omniscient (at least in terms of past and present), knows everything about the Night King, also didn't know about it.
And your solution introduces the problem of the Night King's powers being blocked by Stone, which is a plot hole unto itself.
by Baltenstein » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:58 am
by Ism » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:58 am
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?
Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.
Tarsonis wrote:Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Maybe Jon assumed only the recently dead could rise?
Or something could happen to break open the tombs. Like a cave-in caused by the dragon or a trebuchet or something.
Yes but as I also included Bran, the Three eyed raven who is literally omniscient (at least in terms of past and present), knows everything about the Night King, also didn't know about it.
And your solution introduces the problem of the Night King's powers being blocked by Stone, which is a plot hole unto itself.
by Tarsonis » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:59 am
Baltenstein wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Yes, but the question is were they resurrected as skeletons, or have they waisted away to skeletons by being exposed to the environments for so long. Seems to me its the latter, because if it were the former the dead wouldn't stay dead even if they been hit with dragon glass.
How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:03 am
Tarsonis wrote:Baltenstein wrote:
How do you make that last connection? The way I see it, dragonglass basically breaks the WW spell and the Wight returns to what he naturally is, a dead body. So it doesn't matter if he is a flesh-zombie, a skeleton or anything in-between.
Yes but then the NK could just recast reanimation and get his skeleton army back. The rules of the show however seem to suggest that once a weight is hit with dragon glass or Vsteel, it's dead for good and can't come back. So either the NK's spell is 1 time only, which seems dumb, or he can't animate bodies past a certain point, which makes a certain amount of sense.
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